From: owner-wanderer-digest@smoe.org (wanderer-digest) To: wanderer-digest@smoe.org Subject: wanderer-digest V3 #15 Reply-To: wanderer@smoe.org Sender: owner-wanderer-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-wanderer-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk wanderer-digest Tuesday, August 26 2003 Volume 03 : Number 015 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: My Crazy B tuning set ["Susan E McNamara" ] john kean's tabs ["Marian Russell " ] Re: My Crazy B tuning set [Bobsart48@aol.com] Re: Amelia [Bobsart48@aol.com] Re: Amelia [Susan McNamara ] Re: Amelia [Bobsart48@aol.com] Re: My Crazy B tuning set [Michael Paz ] Re: Amelia [Michael Paz ] Re: Amelia [Michael Paz ] RE: Amelia ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Amelia [Bobsart48@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 06:41:51 -0400 (EDT) From: "Susan E McNamara" Subject: Re: My Crazy B tuning set > --- Susan E McNamara wrote: > > I've been hoping for a long time that the Wanderer would be an active list. This seems like the longest conversation we've had since we started up two years ago. Good things come to those who wait! :-) take care, sue > Solving puzzles can be a lot of fun (or a complete > pain!) > > Thanks for explaining all this and oh, by the way, has > this particular list ever been so busy? > > > ===== > Catherine > Toronto > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 07:57:01 -0400 From: "Marian Russell " Subject: john kean's tabs Wow, thanks for this link, Catherine! I now have some new things to work on. John Kean really has quite an assortment of songs, and lots of them! Will have to go back there if/when I succeed in learning some favorites of mine - Classical Gas - always loved that song - and Debussy's Girl with the Flaxen Hair. Marian Catherine wrote: > There's a website that has a lot of tabs (and chords) > on it - here's the url: > http://johnkean.digitalrice.com/Tabs/TabsByArtist.htm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 13:12:19 EDT From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: My Crazy B tuning set In a message dated 8/23/03 8:02:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, michael@thepazgroup.com writes: > My Song For Sharon patch is thick with a Chorus type > effect that I feel sounds really beautiful on that patch. Jonni really > favors that thick chorus sound as did Pat Metheny in the day. > > Thanks for the info, Michael. Very very interesting. Someday...... When you say Metheny "in the day" you mean what ? How old/new is the VG-8 ? Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 13:38:39 EDT From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: Amelia In a message dated 8/24/03 2:21:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, tlr7425@garnet.acns.fsu.edu writes: > > > > hi all, > > the only song i wish check out the chording on is Amelia. > i've seen some tabs -but i don't do tab. > i saw one where it said the low was tuned to C, maybe that true, > regardless i believe there is a capo being using, no? and if so what > fret? Ted Not sure what you are looking for. However, Joni plays it in open D (DADF#AD), as confirmed by watching her play it on the S&L video. For the chord shapes, I suggest going to the JMDL tab data base - cannot go wrong there. I find it both easier and more pleasurable to play this one on electric, as Joni does, since the higher part of the neck is used a lot - but it can be done on acoustic easily enough, too. This can be faked in standard tuning, I am sure, since the chords are less complex than some of Joni's other songs. Because of the ethereal nature of this song, I suspect that it would sound pretty good in that "cloudy" VG-8 setting that Paz uses for Song For Sharon. Am I all wet on that, Michael ? Bobsart PS - apropos of all the work that the JMDL tab people do, one video is worth a lot of CD's for some of these transcriptions. Or, I suppose, a line in to Joel Bernstein's database....:-) Still, the great majority of the mysteries have been decoded (if not perfected), seems to me. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 13:49:06 -0400 From: Susan McNamara Subject: Re: Amelia here are the urls to Amelia: sue's http://www.jmdl.com/guitar/amelia-sm-c.cfm marian's http://www.jmdl.com/guitar/amelia-mr-c.cfm samuel's http://www.jmdl.com/guitar/amelia-ssa-t.cfm mark's http://www.jmdl.com/guitar/amelia-md-c.cfm We all say the tuning is CGCEGC (C75435) but that would be open D at capo 2 (which is the same as what Bob says below (DADF#AD) sue > > >> >> >> hi all, >> >> the only song i wish check out the chording on is Amelia. >> i've seen some tabs -but i don't do tab. >> i saw one where it said the low was tuned to C, maybe that true, >> regardless i believe there is a capo being using, no? and if so what >> fret? > >Ted > > Not sure what you are looking for. However, Joni plays it in open D >(DADF#AD), as confirmed by watching her play it on the S&L video. > >For the chord shapes, I suggest going to the JMDL tab data base - cannot go >wrong there. > >I find it both easier and more pleasurable to play this one on electric, as >Joni does, since the higher part of the neck is used a lot - but it >can be done >on acoustic easily enough, too. > >This can be faked in standard tuning, I am sure, since the chords are less >complex than some of Joni's other songs. > >Because of the ethereal nature of this song, I suspect that it would sound >pretty good in that "cloudy" VG-8 setting that Paz uses for Song For >Sharon. Am >I all wet on that, Michael ? > >Bobsart > >PS - apropos of all the work that the JMDL tab people do, one video is worth >a lot of CD's for some of these transcriptions. Or, I suppose, a line in to >Joel >Bernstein's database....:-) > >Still, the great majority of the mysteries have been decoded (if not >perfected), seems to me. - -- Susan McNamara Assistant to the Dean of Students Cornell University 401 Willard Straight Hall Ithaca, NY 14853 Voice: (607) 255-1115 FAX: (607) 255-8082 E-Mail:sem8@cornell.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 14:45:44 EDT From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: Amelia Of course - open C, by dropping down two half tones from the "natural" 75435 tuning (which is open D) I apply the term "natural" to any tuning which leaves at least one of the 6 strings tuned to its intended pitch (EADGB or E), without raising the pitch of any of the strings. So, the "natural" 75435 tuning is open D, while the "natural" 57543 tuning is open G - etc. Quite a few of Joni's tunings seem to incorporate this 'natural' feature - she seemed reluctant to tune any strings "up" from their supposedly "normal" tone (although I realize that she did do this from time to time - as do I, for purposes of singing. For example, I raise Hejira a half or even a whole tone.) It seems to me that in theory an 'end around' could be accomplished by varying/customizing the string gauges to produce more even tensions for the various tunings.All you would need is 50 or 60 guitars, properly labelled ;-) Does anyone know which string gauges Joni tended to use on her acoustics ? Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 18:59:13 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: My Crazy B tuning set Like the American Garage era First circle etc. He was explained earlier used a couple of amps and a delay unit to get that sound which ultimately what a chorus effect does. Paz > In a message dated 8/23/03 8:02:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > michael@thepazgroup.com writes: > > >> My Song For Sharon patch is thick with a Chorus type >> effect that I feel sounds really beautiful on that patch. Jonni really >> favors that thick chorus sound as did Pat Metheny in the day. >> >> > > Thanks for the info, Michael. > > Very very interesting. Someday...... > > When you say Metheny "in the day" you mean what ? How old/new is the VG-8 ? > > Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 19:04:22 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Amelia For that one it does not have a chorus effect on it, but I do use a little verb with a delay setting on an acoustic sound. It is a darker patch on my VG than the Song For Sharon one. I started to do Song for Sharon in my set AGAIN this year but a new version I have been playing with that sounds more like the way she did Banquet on the 83 tour. It has a crunchier distorted rock and roll song, but I shelved that idea and decided to go with a couple of impromptu sing alongs (Circle Game and Woodstock). I am sure there are still some people scratching their heads on that one. I really had fun with the Joan Armatrading one though. I also loved that Nikki is getting braver in her stage performances and came up and lent me a hand on the Graham Nash one. Paz > In a message dated 8/24/03 2:21:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > tlr7425@garnet.acns.fsu.edu writes: > > >> >> >> >> hi all, >> >> the only song i wish check out the chording on is Amelia. >> i've seen some tabs -but i don't do tab. >> i saw one where it said the low was tuned to C, maybe that true, >> regardless i believe there is a capo being using, no? and if so what >> fret? > > Ted > > Not sure what you are looking for. However, Joni plays it in open D > (DADF#AD), as confirmed by watching her play it on the S&L video. > > For the chord shapes, I suggest going to the JMDL tab data base - cannot go > wrong there. > > I find it both easier and more pleasurable to play this one on electric, as > Joni does, since the higher part of the neck is used a lot - but it can be > done > on acoustic easily enough, too. > > This can be faked in standard tuning, I am sure, since the chords are less > complex than some of Joni's other songs. > > Because of the ethereal nature of this song, I suspect that it would sound > pretty good in that "cloudy" VG-8 setting that Paz uses for Song For Sharon. > Am > I all wet on that, Michael ? > > Bobsart > > PS - apropos of all the work that the JMDL tab people do, one video is worth > a lot of CD's for some of these transcriptions. Or, I suppose, a line in to > Joel > Bernstein's database....:-) > > Still, the great majority of the mysteries have been decoded (if not > perfected), seems to me. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 19:05:10 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Amelia I would venture the guess of at least 13's on the hi E paz > Of course - open C, by dropping down two half tones from the "natural" 75435 > tuning (which is open D) > > I apply the term "natural" to any tuning which leaves at least one of the 6 > strings tuned to its intended pitch (EADGB or E), without raising the pitch of > any of the strings. So, the "natural" 75435 tuning is open D, while the > "natural" 57543 tuning is open G - etc. > > Quite a few of Joni's tunings seem to incorporate this 'natural' feature - > she seemed reluctant to tune any strings "up" from their supposedly "normal" > tone (although I realize that she did do this from time to time - as do I, for > purposes of singing. For example, I raise Hejira a half or even a whole tone.) > It seems to me that in theory an 'end around' could be accomplished by > varying/customizing the string gauges to produce more even tensions for the > various > tunings.All you would need is 50 or 60 guitars, properly labelled ;-) > > Does anyone know which string gauges Joni tended to use on her acoustics ? > > Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 17:58:36 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: Amelia sue & bob! (lightbulb going on!) thanks & wow, that tuning is certainly a lot easier to change to from standard so i'm gonna try it & see how it sounds...no more flappy low c string ! the c tuning makes it neccessary to change every dang string which is not my idea of a fun time! plus this one is yet another tuning that is only one change away from daddad!!! >We all say the tuning is CGCEGC (C75435) but that would be open D at capo 2 (which is the same as what Bob says below (DADF#AD) sue< ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 22:56:55 EDT From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: Amelia In a message dated 8/25/03 8:01:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, michael@thepazgroup.com writes: > I would venture the guess of at least 13's on the hi E > > paz > I would guess that you are right, Paz, from the tones I hear. I confess to using 12's on mine - pretty wimpy, and I am not really impressed by Joni's left hand work. Still, I think she goes for a bit more. That said, I tried Amelia again on acoustic just now, and got a reminder of how much of a pain it is to play on acoustic. Much, much easier on electric. Probably pretty cool on Parker Fly/VG-8 :-) Bobsart ------------------------------ End of wanderer-digest V3 #15 *****************************