From: owner-wanderer-digest@smoe.org (wanderer-digest) To: wanderer-digest@smoe.org Subject: wanderer-digest V3 #13 Reply-To: wanderer@smoe.org Sender: owner-wanderer-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-wanderer-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk wanderer-digest Sunday, August 24 2003 Volume 03 : Number 013 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: My Crazy B tuning set ["Marian Russell " ] RE: My Crazy B tuning set ["Marian Russell " ] Re: My Crazy B tuning set [Bobsart48@aol.com] Re: My Crazy B tuning set [Bobsart48@aol.com] Re: My Crazy B tuning set [Bobsart48@aol.com] Re: My Crazy B tuning set [Bobsart48@aol.com] tabs ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: My Crazy B tuning set [Catherine McKay ] Re: My Crazy B tuning set [Catherine McKay ] Re: My Crazy B tuning set [Michael Paz ] Re: My Crazy B tuning set [tlr7425@garnet.acns.fsu.edu] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 08:07:54 -0400 From: "Marian Russell " Subject: RE: My Crazy B tuning set Hi Kate - When you see the other type of tab, imagine that the guitar is facing you - that the fretboard is facing you - horizontally. The bottom line represents the lowest string and the top line represents the highest string - in standard tuning it would look like: E--------------- B--------------- G--------------- D--------------- A--------------- D--------------- The numbers on these lines represent the frets that are depressed and if there is a number on a line, it means the string is played. A very simple example: E-----2---------- B---------3------ G-----2---------- D-----0---------- A--------------- D--------------- This is a D chord, and the 4th, 3rd and 1st strings are played first, followed by the 2nd string. Sometimes when you're learning something new, it helps to figure out if there's a chord or chord shape that results when all the individual tones in a segment are put together. e.g., if we take the above and spread it out, it no longer looks like a D chord, at least at first glance: E-----2------------2--------------2-- B-----------------------3---------- G--------2------------------------- D-------------0--------------0------ A---------------------------------- D---------------------------------- The above, roughly translated, means play 1st string 2nd fret, then 3rd string 2nd fret, then 4th string open, then top string 2nd fret, then 2nd string 3rd fret, then 4th string open, then 1st string 2nd fret. Hope this helps. Marian - ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Kate Bennett" Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 14:10:01 -0700 >...i cannot understand >how to read the tuning on the jmdl guitar >site for this song (i think i am >definately tab challenged!) > >can you or someone who understand help translate this? >this is the only way that tabs make sense to me (from songs to aging >children as an example): > > >|||||| |||||| >888888 777777 >|||||| |||||| >Through the windless wells of wonder > > >Kate Bennett >www.katebennett.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 08:10:16 -0400 From: "Marian Russell " Subject: RE: My Crazy B tuning set Sorry! The bottom tone in standard tuning is, of course, E, not D! >E--------------- >B--------------- >G--------------- >D--------------- >A--------------- >E--------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 13:37:48 EDT From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: My Crazy B tuning set I played Paz's Parker Fly ? thru the VG-8 for about 1 minute ( a verse from Song for Sharon ) at one of the Song Circles at the fest. I was very very impressed at what a comfortable instrument the Parker is to play, and I enjoyed the feel of playing that song with strings strung at an even (standard) tension. I wondered if a the full variety of electric sounds can be obtained thru the VG-8, or whether one is limited to the sort of 'reverb/canyon' - like sounds heard on TTT that were replicated the night I played it. Paz ? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 13:38:27 EDT From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: My Crazy B tuning set oops - forgot to sign my name' Bob Sart ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 13:41:31 EDT From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: My Crazy B tuning set In a message dated 8/22/03 5:04:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time, kate@katebennett.com writes: > ! > > here's a question i have...i've been loving the daddad tuning & kate - I may be late to this thread (more on my being incommunicado lately later on the main list). I am pretty certain that 4&20 was played in that tuning (at least, that is the tuning I play it in), and I suspect that Suit Judy Blue Eyes is in that tuning too. Sorry if I am being redundant here. What songs do you play in it ? Bob Sart ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 13:52:50 EDT From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: My Crazy B tuning set In a message dated 8/23/03 8:09:23 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Marian@mail.jmdl.com writes: > Sometimes when you're learning something new, it helps to figure out if > there's a chord or chord shape that results when all the individual tones in a > segment are put together. e.g., if we take the above and spread it out, it no > longer looks like a D chord, at least at first glance: > > E-----2------------2--------------2-- > B-----------------------3---------- > G--------2------------------------- > D-------------0--------------0------ > A---------------------------------- > D---------------------------------- > > The above, roughly translated, means play 1st string 2nd fret, then 3rd > string 2nd fret, then 4th string open, then top string 2nd fret, then 2nd string > 3rd fret, then 4th string open, then 1st string 2nd fret. Kate, Over 30 years ago I picked up a JT song book written in TAB. It opened my eyes to a concept of learning the guitar without standard music notation (I think well written tabs are an improvement on standard, since they can do much more, better), and I learned a lot (relative to my overall limited knowledge) from that book. It's worth the effort, that's for sure. Good luck Bob Sart PS - I wonder if that book is still around - it covers his albums thru Sweet Baby James (basically, his first two albums, as I recall). I still remember how to play some of the lesser known songs from that album such as Anywhere Like Heaven, Sunny Skies and Oh Susanna - in addition to Fire and Rain et al. I would love to buy it again. There are some useful tabs in Joni's Hits and Misses books, too, as I recall. The JMDL tab data base has been one of the joys of my life - thanks again, Sue (and Howard, and Marian and Mark) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 12:32:34 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: tabs hi marian! i'm finally sorting this out & getting it...thank you! what is hard for me is when its all spread out & horizontal like the example you gave...my first instinct would be to think (in the second example) that there were 3 chords involved...the first with 2 fingers on the 2nd fret on g & high e, the second would be on b(3rd fret) & high e (2nd fret) & last would be high e (2nd fret)...(especially if this is in an alt tuning where these kind of chords are common)...but i know see its about what string is played when...boy, its like learning a new language i guess, these sideways tabs- i'm so used to seeing them upright...it is a mind bender...lol HOWEVER, i did finally figure out dawn treader...what confused me was a combo of fret #s & letters (which at first i thought were releated to the string & i was doing the math & it was not making sense!)...i finally read the instructions again (duh!) to see that he was using the letters to stand for the higher frets! lol... i guess i'm happy just knowing chords, not caring about which string is played when as i just put my own interpretation of the song in after i learn the chords... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 17:17:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: My Crazy B tuning set --- Bobsart48@aol.com wrote: > I played Paz's Parker Fly ? thru the VG-8 for about > 1 minute ( a verse from > Song for Sharon ) at one of the Song Circles at the > fest. I was very very > impressed at what a comfortable instrument the > Parker is to play, and I enjoyed the > feel of playing that song with strings strung at an > even (standard) tension. > I wondered if a the full variety of electric sounds > can be obtained thru the > VG-8, or whether one is limited to the sort of > 'reverb/canyon' - like sounds > heard on TTT that were replicated the night I played > it. > That's what I don't care for about the VG-8 - I don't like that particular sound. It lacks the warmth of a good acoustic. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 18:54:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: My Crazy B tuning set There's a website that has a lot of tabs (and chords) on it - here's the url: http://johnkean.digitalrice.com/Tabs/TabsByArtist.htm This is sorted by artist, but you can also sort it by song name. There's a lot of good (looking) stuff on it. The one song I was trying to get was "Orion in the sky" by Shawn Colvin. On this one (John Kean's), it's chords in standard tuning (well, dropped D, but otherwise, standard). On another site (that I can't remember) one guy says this song is in an alternate tuning. I've tried playing John Kean's version along with the CD but it doesn't sound quite right, so it may indeed be in an alt tuning. How do you (Sue) figure out what tuning these things are in? Can you tell by the way the songs sound, or do you make an educated guess, try it out & see if it fits? This has always been a mystery to me & I'm amazed that you can do this. ===== Catherine Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 19:07:15 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: My Crazy B tuning set Bob The VG-8 is veery programmable and can be made to sound like many differnet kinds of guitars through many different kinds of effects (or not) through many different kinds of amps and speakers and also miked with different kinds of microphones. My Song For Sharon patch is thick with a Chorus type effect that I feel sounds really beautiful on that patch. Jonni really favors that thick chorus sound as did Pat Metheny in the day. Best Paz > I played Paz's Parker Fly ? thru the VG-8 for about 1 minute ( a verse from > Song for Sharon ) at one of the Song Circles at the fest. I was very very > impressed at what a comfortable instrument the Parker is to play, and I > enjoyed the > feel of playing that song with strings strung at an even (standard) tension. > I wondered if a the full variety of electric sounds can be obtained thru the > VG-8, or whether one is limited to the sort of 'reverb/canyon' - like sounds > heard on TTT that were replicated the night I played it. > > Paz ? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 20:31:28 -0400 From: tlr7425@garnet.acns.fsu.edu Subject: Re: My Crazy B tuning set pat's sound, though imitated by using chorus boxes, is not produced using a "chorus". it is done (as i understand it) by running the guitar through 3 amps and a Lexicon Prime Time. 1 amp is "straight", the other 2 each offset with different delay time -- a single note is produced (so to speak) "3" times. there are some other settings in there, ie, pitch shift. mike stern gets his "chorused" sound through 2 amps and a Yamaha SPX90 set to a "Pitch Shift" program. ted On Saturday, August 23, 2003, at 10:07 PM, Michael Paz wrote: > Bob > The VG-8 is veery programmable and can be made to sound like many > differnet > kinds of guitars through many different kinds of effects (or not) > through > many different kinds of amps and speakers and also miked with different > kinds of microphones. My Song For Sharon patch is thick with a Chorus > type > effect that I feel sounds really beautiful on that patch. Jonni really > favors that thick chorus sound as did Pat Metheny in the day. > > Best > > Paz > >> I played Paz's Parker Fly ? thru the VG-8 for about 1 minute ( a >> verse from >> Song for Sharon ) at one of the Song Circles at the fest. I was very >> very >> impressed at what a comfortable instrument the Parker is to play, and >> I >> enjoyed the >> feel of playing that song with strings strung at an even (standard) >> tension. >> I wondered if a the full variety of electric sounds can be obtained >> thru the >> VG-8, or whether one is limited to the sort of 'reverb/canyon' - like >> sounds >> heard on TTT that were replicated the night I played it. >> >> Paz ? ------------------------------ End of wanderer-digest V3 #13 *****************************