From: owner-wanderer-digest@smoe.org (wanderer-digest) To: wanderer-digest@smoe.org Subject: wanderer-digest V3 #6 Reply-To: wanderer@smoe.org Sender: owner-wanderer-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-wanderer-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk wanderer-digest Thursday, April 24 2003 Volume 03 : Number 006 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Crosby, Guinnevere and Joni [Susan McNamara ] Fwd: BOUNCE wanderer@smoe.org: Non-member submission from [Howard ] [Susan ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 15:59:08 -0400 From: Susan McNamara Subject: Re: Crosby, Guinnevere and Joni >P.S Sue - you're too generous with your praise (and I think your emails >might be bad for my ego...) ;-) > Hey, the truth is the truth bud. I'll change my mind when you start tabbing Yanni for Ukelele. ha ha. sue - -- "Heart and humor and humility will lighten up your heavy load ... " - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 16:00:00 -0400 From: Susan McNamara Subject: Fwd: BOUNCE wanderer@smoe.org: Non-member submission from [Howard ] To: Susan McNamara CC: Bobsart48@aol.com, joni@smoe.org, lamadoo@fuse.net, guitarists@jmdl.com, wanderer@smoe.org Subject: Re: Crosby, Guinnevere and Joni References: <47.2d0562e9.2bd3f9e5@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=CARRIAGE_RETURNS,DEAR_SOMEBODY,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, X_ACCEPT_LANG version=2.43 Hi all You were right about the EBDGAD tuning for Guinevere. That's the one! Incidentally, Joni has used this same tuning on a few of songs: e.g. Sex Kills, Lead Balloon - in Joni notation these tunings are C73525 and D73525). That just means the lowest notes are C/D not E, but the relationship between the open string notes is the same. Guinevere is a GREAT song to play. I've seen a couple of magazine transcriptions, and they were both pretty good. The main "riff" that crops up in the verse is based on 022000 - just hammer on to the 2nd fret notes from the open strings (you probably already figured this out!). Howard P.S Sue - you're too generous with your praise (and I think your emails might be bad for my ego...) ;-) Susan McNamara wrote: > > Dear Bobsart: > > Guinnevere is a classy song, but I've never played it. I looked at > the two tabs on Olga and they both confer with the EBDGAD tuning. > Alas, there's no way to tell if this is right because the words > "Howard Wright" don't appear under the tabbed by listing. :-) > > I am copying this note to the Wanderer list to see if any of our > stalwart tuning experts want to chime in on this dilemma. > > Thanks, sue > > At 9:25 AM -0400 4/20/03, Bobsart48@aol.com wrote: > > > Following up on Lama's post: > > > > I have listened to CSN (the CD) a few times since Christmas, after > > not having listened in almost 30 years (I had the album, and played > > it to death for a couple of years after it came out in 1969). During > > that time, Guinnevere was not one of my favorites on the record, to > > say the least (but remeber, I quit on Joni's new work for a long, > > long time when I could not "get" THOSL or Hejira - 'ugh' for the > > umpteenth time). > > > > Anyway, I have now decided that I like this song the best on the > > record (with Wooden Ships a close second - and I have always loved > > the record). I think this is again because my ears have gotten > > better, finally. It occurs to me that this is a song that could hold > > its own in a collection of Joni's best work - high praise to David. > > And it makes me wonder if maybe David did have an influence on > > Joni's music. > > > > Can any of you guitar tab masters tell me what the tuning is for > > Guinnevere ? I will try fiddling with it in EBDGAD, on the off > > chance that that works. It does not sound like standard tuning to my > > ears, but I could easily be wrong. > > > > Bobsart > > > > Lama wrote > > > >> Did Joel show David open tunings? > >> > >> On the sleeve notes of a 1993 re-release of "Crosby, Stills and > >> Nash", Raymond Foye wrote: > >> > >> >>>>>>>> > >> >From its hypnotic opening notes, David Crosby's "Guinnevere" > >> creates a space unlike any other in rock music. "When all my > >> friends > >> were listening to Elvis Presley, I was listening to 1950s West > >> Coast jazz," Crosby notes. Later, Crosby's divergent musical > >> sensibility was further inspired by a close association with Joni > >> Mitchell, whose unusual repertoire of guitar tunings heightened > >> his increasingly oblique musical sense, taking him another step > >> away from standard rock formulas. > >> > >> > >> Fellow musician Joel Bernstein recalls that for Crosby, "the > >> discovery of non-standard tunings was the opening the little door > >> in > >> 'Alice in Wonderland'." By literally rearranging the tones on his > >> guitar (the tuning is EBDGAD), Crosby tapped into a creative > >> well-spring that produced "Deja Vu" and "Song With No Words," > >> within a very short space of time.>>>>>>>> > >> > >> checking in from the NJC digest, > >> Lama > > > > -- > > > Susan McNamara > Assistant to the Dean of Students > Cornell University > 401 Willard Straight Hall > Ithaca, NY 14853 > Voice: (607) 255-1115 > FAX: (607) 255-8082 > E-Mail:sem8@cornell.edu > - --- end forwarded text - -- Susan McNamara Assistant to the Dean of Students Cornell University 401 Willard Straight Hall Ithaca, NY 14853 Voice: (607) 255-1115 FAX: (607) 255-8082 E-Mail:sem8@cornell.edu ------------------------------ End of wanderer-digest V3 #6 ****************************