From: owner-wanderer-digest@smoe.org (wanderer-digest) To: wanderer-digest@smoe.org Subject: wanderer-digest V3 #5 Reply-To: wanderer@smoe.org Sender: owner-wanderer-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-wanderer-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk wanderer-digest Tuesday, April 22 2003 Volume 03 : Number 005 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Crosby, Guinnevere and Joni [Susan McNamara ] RE: Crosby, Guinnevere and Joni ["Jim McCarthy" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 09:03:16 -0400 From: Susan McNamara Subject: Re: Crosby, Guinnevere and Joni Dear Bobsart: Guinnevere is a classy song, but I've never played it. I looked at the two tabs on Olga and they both confer with the EBDGAD tuning. Alas, there's no way to tell if this is right because the words "Howard Wright" don't appear under the tabbed by listing. :-) I am copying this note to the Wanderer list to see if any of our stalwart tuning experts want to chime in on this dilemma. Thanks, sue At 9:25 AM -0400 4/20/03, Bobsart48@aol.com wrote: >Following up on Lama's post: > >I have listened to CSN (the CD) a few times since Christmas, after >not having listened in almost 30 years (I had the album, and played >it to death for a couple of years after it came out in 1969). During >that time, Guinnevere was not one of my favorites on the record, to >say the least (but remeber, I quit on Joni's new work for a long, >long time when I could not "get" THOSL or Hejira - 'ugh' for the >umpteenth time). > >Anyway, I have now decided that I like this song the best on the >record (with Wooden Ships a close second - and I have always loved >the record). I think this is again because my ears have gotten >better, finally. It occurs to me that this is a song that could hold >its own in a collection of Joni's best work - high praise to David. >And it makes me wonder if maybe David did have an influence on >Joni's music. > >Can any of you guitar tab masters tell me what the tuning is for >Guinnevere ? I will try fiddling with it in EBDGAD, on the off >chance that that works. It does not sound like standard tuning to my >ears, but I could easily be wrong. > >Bobsart > >Lama wrote > >>Did Joel show David open tunings? >> >>On the sleeve notes of a 1993 re-release of "Crosby, Stills and >>Nash", Raymond Foye wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>> >>>From its hypnotic opening notes, David Crosby's "Guinnevere" >>>creates a space unlike any other in rock music. "When all my >>>friends >>were listening to Elvis Presley, I was listening to 1950s West >>Coast jazz," Crosby notes. Later, Crosby's divergent musical >>sensibility was further inspired by a close association with Joni >>Mitchell, whose unusual repertoire of guitar tunings heightened >>his increasingly oblique musical sense, taking him another step >>away from standard rock formulas. >> >> >>Fellow musician Joel Bernstein recalls that for Crosby, "the >>discovery of non-standard tunings was the opening the little door in >>'Alice in Wonderland'." By literally rearranging the tones on his >>guitar (the tuning is EBDGAD), Crosby tapped into a creative >>well-spring that produced "Deja Vu" and "Song With No Words," >>within a very short space of time.>>>>>>>> >> >>checking in from the NJC digest, >>Lama - -- Susan McNamara Assistant to the Dean of Students Cornell University 401 Willard Straight Hall Ithaca, NY 14853 Voice: (607) 255-1115 FAX: (607) 255-8082 E-Mail:sem8@cornell.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 07:58:55 -0700 From: "Jim McCarthy" Subject: RE: Crosby, Guinnevere and Joni I learned "Guinnevere" years ago from tab accompanying an interview with David Crosby published in an old "Frets" magazine (now defunct), and the tuning is indeed EBDGAD. I tend to think of the tuning as "dropped D" (DADGBE) with the two highest strings and two lowest strings swapped :-) Just a guess, but that may have been what Crosby had in mind too when he came upon it .... I haven't investigated the tab on OLGA, but likely those also trace back to the "Frets" magazine's tab (reportedly based on a live performance Crosby gave the interviewer!). FYI, the song "Compass" that Crosby wrote while in prison (concerning his recovery from drug abuse) is also in the same EBDGAD tuning ... if anyone figures out the tab to "Compass" (or knows any other songs in the same EBDGAD tuning as Guinnevere), I'd be very interested to expand the number of songs (currently 1 !) I play in this tuning. Hope this helps, -- Jim - -----Original Message----- From: owner-wanderer@smoe.org [mailto:owner-wanderer@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Susan McNamara Sent: Monday, April 21, 2003 6:03 AM To: Bobsart48@aol.com; joni@smoe.org Cc: lamadoo@fuse.net; guitarists@jmdl.com; wanderer@smoe.org Subject: Re: Crosby, Guinnevere and Joni Dear Bobsart: Guinnevere is a classy song, but I've never played it. I looked at the two tabs on Olga and they both confer with the EBDGAD tuning. Alas, there's no way to tell if this is right because the words "Howard Wright" don't appear under the tabbed by listing. :-) I am copying this note to the Wanderer list to see if any of our stalwart tuning experts want to chime in on this dilemma. Thanks, sue At 9:25 AM -0400 4/20/03, Bobsart48@aol.com wrote: >Following up on Lama's post: > >I have listened to CSN (the CD) a few times since Christmas, after >not having listened in almost 30 years (I had the album, and played >it to death for a couple of years after it came out in 1969). During >that time, Guinnevere was not one of my favorites on the record, to >say the least (but remeber, I quit on Joni's new work for a long, >long time when I could not "get" THOSL or Hejira - 'ugh' for the >umpteenth time). > >Anyway, I have now decided that I like this song the best on the >record (with Wooden Ships a close second - and I have always loved >the record). I think this is again because my ears have gotten >better, finally. It occurs to me that this is a song that could hold >its own in a collection of Joni's best work - high praise to David. >And it makes me wonder if maybe David did have an influence on >Joni's music. > >Can any of you guitar tab masters tell me what the tuning is for >Guinnevere ? I will try fiddling with it in EBDGAD, on the off >chance that that works. It does not sound like standard tuning to my >ears, but I could easily be wrong. > >Bobsart > >Lama wrote > >>Did Joel show David open tunings? >> >>On the sleeve notes of a 1993 re-release of "Crosby, Stills and >>Nash", Raymond Foye wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>> >>>From its hypnotic opening notes, David Crosby's "Guinnevere" >>>creates a space unlike any other in rock music. "When all my >>>friends >>were listening to Elvis Presley, I was listening to 1950s West >>Coast jazz," Crosby notes. Later, Crosby's divergent musical >>sensibility was further inspired by a close association with Joni >>Mitchell, whose unusual repertoire of guitar tunings heightened >>his increasingly oblique musical sense, taking him another step >>away from standard rock formulas. >> >> >>Fellow musician Joel Bernstein recalls that for Crosby, "the >>discovery of non-standard tunings was the opening the little door in >>'Alice in Wonderland'." By literally rearranging the tones on his >>guitar (the tuning is EBDGAD), Crosby tapped into a creative >>well-spring that produced "Deja Vu" and "Song With No Words," >>within a very short space of time.>>>>>>>> >> >>checking in from the NJC digest, >>Lama - -- Susan McNamara Assistant to the Dean of Students Cornell University 401 Willard Straight Hall Ithaca, NY 14853 Voice: (607) 255-1115 FAX: (607) 255-8082 E-Mail:sem8@cornell.edu ------------------------------ End of wanderer-digest V3 #5 ****************************