From: owner-velvet-station-digest@smoe.org (velvet-station-digest) To: velvet-station-digest@smoe.org Subject: velvet-station-digest V4 #19 Reply-To: velvet-station@smoe.org Sender: owner-velvet-station-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-velvet-station-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk velvet-station-digest Wednesday, May 2 2001 Volume 04 : Number 019 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: [VS] iTune mistakes Kings of Convenience for Elvis Costello [Philippa] Re: [VS] iTune mistakes Kings of Convenience for Elvis Costello [Wmvrrvrr] Re: [VS] iTune mistakes Kings of Convenience (ii) [Wmvrrvrrmm@aol.com] Re: [VS] iTune mistakes Kings of Convenience (ii) ["Adam Walter" The Wmmvrrvrrmm Place ! http://members.aol.com/wmvrrvrrmm The art and writings of myself, Dominic (wmmvrrvrrmm) Kulcsar The Velvet Belly Page http://www.geocities.com/velvet_belly_uk My unofficial fansite dedicated to the Norwegian band Velvet Belly ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 15:27:05 EDT From: Wmvrrvrrmm@aol.com Subject: Re: [VS] iTune mistakes Kings of Convenience for Elvis Costello In a message dated 01/05/2001 12:10:33, Philippa.Demonte@bmg.co.uk writes: >That's why there's been so much debate about things like Napster (although >it has been useful for sourcing and listening to music instead of having to visit loads of >different record stores.) > >Still...MP3 files or CDs/vinyl? The MP3 is a convenience thing. Unless the original CD containing the track has been deleted, I'll have to download from Napster and that will take a long long time. Otherwise the CD is something I bring to play to other people if they have a CD player and no one I know locally has MP3 playing facilities. My average MP3 file is too big for me to pass across the internet because iTunes makes them into 5 or 6 MB size files for an excellent quality track. If CDs were as indestructable as they were made out to be at the beginning, I might play from the CD more often in my own solitude but I find them to be so fragile, and this fills me with certain fear! If MP3s were sold by themselves , I might go out and purchase them. But I don't have a hifi system, not even a cassette recorder and the only CD player that I use is in my computer anyway with a good sound system, although I have a minidisc recorder and other than that I only have a portable CD player that's about a decade old but no loud speakers for it. But I can have ten hours of music on my computer with good quality recordings and I can sit down and be hypnotised by it, I don't think that Kings of Convenience are going to lose any money on me making MP3 out of their music for my own convenience because simply when I buy a CD and make MP3s, I want to keep the CD just in case I find I've deleted all my MP3s, or I want to play the CD to some other people, or I might need to make a good quality MP4 recording should that ever manifest If they starting selling tracks as MP3s, I might be tempted to buy them. I'm someone willing to go as far as buying minidisc versions of albums that I want to listen to, even in I have the CD to listen to. The only things I have kept from my downloaded mp3s are 'Courage' by Tragically Hip, and 'Passing thing" by Velvet Belly because they are not commercially available any longer and this will be the case with many single releases or deleted albums. I recently got the Tim Buckley CD with "Song to the Siren" and replaced my downloaded MP3 copy with one made from the CD that I bought ( and will definitely will not return that CD). I downloaded a few tracks from Autour de Lucie's 'Faux Movements' off Napster and indeed went to buy the album the other day and made MP3 out of it, and I'll damn well keep that CD. I'll have you know that I am not some lousy cheapskate that some people can be with their CD purchases. But I think that the video for Toxic Girl on the CD is probably the most terrifying experience I've had in a long time. It looked as if it cost #20.02 to make it, but I 'm sure that I'm wrong I guess that I slowly appreciate this Elvis Costello connection since Tom's singing is cool, but I hear so many people saying how they don't like to remember the group 'Yes', especially with the lead singer's hairstyle. >* Source records re-releasing 'Toxic Girl' on 2 singles with new songs >6 months after I bought the original EP. >Why should I have to buy the same song again?! Well, maybe you were the lucky one who bought the original EP, and someone should have produce a special version without that same song again for owners of the EP and sell it with a fifteen percent discount off the normal price if the people with turn up with some form of proof of purchase of that original EP >I feel sorry for Erlend and Eirik - it's not >what they wanted and not what they're about, I'm trying to think what they said in the NME article, one of them had the dream of taking their music across the planet and it wasn't the other one's dream. I'm sure that they're patiently waiting for the other side of the wave, or maybe I should not be so sure. Dominic The Wmmvrrvrrmm Place ! http://members.aol.com/wmvrrvrrmm The art and writings of myself, Dominic (wmmvrrvrrmm) Kulcsar The Velvet Belly Page http://www.geocities.com/velvet_belly_uk My unofficial fansite dedicated to the Norwegian band Velvet Belly ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 15:38:19 EDT From: Wmvrrvrrmm@aol.com Subject: Re: [VS] iTune mistakes Kings of Convenience (ii) In a message dated 01/05/2001 12:13:16, Philippa.Demonte@bmg.co.uk writes: >tutt tutt tutt - you shouldn't be turning peoples' music into MP3 files, Dominic! >That's stealing their music without paying them, and by that I mean stealing >money from: I've just got an idea, if my brain is going to be able to reproduce Kings of Convenience's music as faithfully as it did in my dream the other morning, I can get rid of my MP3 playing program and take all my CDs back tomorrow, and hope that I never suffer from brain damage that might cause me to forget the music and I can be content about my own brain's reproduction of their material. That could sure save me a lot of money! And then one of these days, there'll be a computer than will access people's minds, and people can listen to memories of KOC without having to pay for the CD or whatever. That will be the next stage when maybe the "Soulcatcher" microchip or something like it is in use. all the best from Dominic ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 13:14:47 -0700 From: "Adam Walter" Subject: Re: [VS] iTune mistakes Kings of Convenience (ii) I would never have mentioned this if the subject hadn't come up. But I frequently tap into Dominic's memories of song's I've never personally heard. :-) ~Adam >--- Original Message --- >From: Wmvrrvrrmm@aol.com >To: velvet-station@smoe.org >Date: 5/1/01 8:38:19 AM > >In a message dated 01/05/2001 12:13:16, Philippa.Demonte@bmg.co.uk writes: > >>tutt tutt tutt - you shouldn't be turning peoples' music into MP3 files, >Dominic! >>That's stealing their music without paying them, and by that I mean stealing >>money from: > >I've just got an idea, if my brain is going to be able to reproduce Kings of >Convenience's music as faithfully as it did in my dream the other morning, I >can get rid of my MP3 playing program and take all my CDs back tomorrow, and >hope that I never suffer from brain damage that might cause me to forget the >music and I can be content about my own brain's reproduction of their >material. > >That could sure save me a lot of money! > >And then one of these days, there'll be a computer than will access people's >minds, and people can listen to memories of KOC without having to pay for the >CD or whatever. That will be the next stage when maybe the "Soulcatcher" >microchip or something like it is in use. > >all the best from Dominic ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 20:25:06 EDT From: Wmvrrvrrmm@aol.com Subject: Re: [VS] iTune mistakes Kings of Convenience for Elvis Costello (iii) In a message dated 01/05/2001 20:30:06, Wmvrrvrrmm@aol.com writes: >My average MP3 file is too big for me to pass across the >internet because iTunes makes them into 5 or 6 MB size files for an excellent >quality track. It can takes at least twenty five minutes or so to download a 3 mb track from Napster for me, so often I give up and I think if someone wants to download something from my MP3 collection while on line, they are possibly very very desperate people. The Wmmvrrvrrmm Place ! http://members.aol.com/wmvrrvrrmm The art and writings of myself, Dominic (wmmvrrvrrmm) Kulcsar The Velvet Belly Page http://www.geocities.com/velvet_belly_uk My unofficial fansite dedicated to the Norwegian band Velvet Belly ------------------------------ End of velvet-station-digest V4 #19 ***********************************