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trailer-park-digest    Thursday, February 22 2001    Volume 02 : Number 019




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Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 09:35:37 -0000
From: "Adam Carrel" <adam.carrel@btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: Beth's collaborations...

> When Beth collaborates with, let's say, the Chemical Brothers is she a big
part of the song?  Does she sing all the way through or is just part of the
chorus and such?
>
> -Jen
>
> "I can resist everything except temptation."
>   Oscar Wilde
>

Well on "Alive Alone" and "Where Do I Begin" she sings all the way through
and is a major part of the song in my opinion.

Adam

Am I lonely, or am I just alive?

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Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 11:58:29 -0000
From: "Robin Petty" <robin_go@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Speaking of Recommendations...

I'm going to address a few posts in one e-mail, if I may,
(the digest enables that).

> >Does anyone know of any good artists out there?
>> Something along the lines of
> >Beth's style...

> Markku Peltonen wrote:

> I recently discovered Kathryn Williams. If you like Beth's folkier style,
> you got to get Kathryn's latest, 'Little Black Numbers', one of the best
> albums last year.

Yay! Another Kathryn Williams fan. I think Kathleen will agree with us
that Little Black Numbers was indeed one of the best releases
of 2000.


> Peter Westlake wrote:
> A couple of sfs-swg that I listen to, but never seem
> to get a mention are:
>
> Christine Levine and Liz Horsman.
>
> Neither are PARTICULARLY Beth-like...but they're both
> worth a listen.

Good to see Liz being mentioned. Heavy High was a great
album despite what the music critics said. It's about time she
released a follow-up to it.

> Dirk wrote:
>
> I see similarities between Jonathan Richman and Beth, but I'm pretty
> sure I'm the only one who sees them.  But Jonathan is so brilliant I'm
> sure it won't matter

I can't see the similarity myself (Johnathan is way kookier) but he is
indeed a genius.

Robin

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Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 10:04:14 -0500
From: "Will Vaughan" <vaughan.29@osu.edu>
Subject: Re: small artists and such

>From: <NorthernSoul79@aol.com> wrote

*snip*

> i don't like 
> everything they play but i respect the way they do it.
> smaller venues are better, it's true. they have an intimacy that big places 
> just can't have. but no matter where i go, i always have either:
> 
> a) drunks falling on me
> b) "fans" who talk continuously, but everything they say is wrong
> c) the tallest, largest man with the giant head directly in front of me
> d) couples making out an inch from my face

Hey - us big-headed tall guys like good music too... just ask us to 
move ..<g>

Seriously, with small shows I have a lot of the same problems - with the
addition of the stage divers/body surfers at inappropriate shows (ie
They Might Be Giants, James).    In this case, being a tallish gentleman
helps, as if you refuse to help pass people along, they go the other
way - then smaller people *want* to be around you.

As for recommendations, I got a CD by an artist named Eva Cassidy - 
apparently she passed away, but her album, Live at Blues Alley is very
good.  Also, the new Lloyd Cole album is great - neither are particularly
Beth-like though.

Will

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Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 16:55:32 -0000
From: "Neil Bowles" <neil.bowles@zoom.co.uk>
Subject: Re: small artists and such

I'd back this up, I took a mate to see Beth at Kings recently, in return he
played me Eva Cassidy, fantastic singer, you might also want to try
listening to the Harry Chapin album Greatest Stories Live, including the
original of Cat's In The Cradle and W.O.L.D. Both are no longer with us, but
you can still catch the magic.

Neil

> As for recommendations, I got a CD by an artist named Eva Cassidy -
> apparently she passed away, but her album, Live at Blues Alley is very
> good.

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Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 15:42:22 EST
From: Puckwizrd@aol.com
Subject: Re: small artists and such

In a message dated 01-02-21 01:45:22 EST, kathleen writes:

<< smaller venues are better, it's true. they have an intimacy that big 
places 
 just can't have. but no matter where i go, i always have either:
 
 a) drunks falling on me
 b) "fans" who talk continuously, but everything they say is wrong
 c) the tallest, largest man with the giant head directly in front of me
 d) couples making out an inch from my face
 
 but i always manage to have a good time. 
 i think part of the problem is going to concerts in manhattan- there is too 
 much competition for so few tickets and space. i gotta move.
  >>

May I add another...the rude jerks/jerkettes who push their way past you to 
the front at the very last minute!!!  Aaaargh!  Don't they realize that there 
are other people at the shows who got there earlier & waited a long time 
through opening acts and perhaps before?  That really blows me to see how 
inconsiderate people can be.  It's like..."make way for the king or queen."  
But I've experienced these scenarios at shows in and outside of New York.  I 
guess the only way to avoid this is to work your way to the front row, bring 
plenty of water, and hope your bladder holds.  ;-D

cheers,
Matt

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Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 13:18:36 -0800
From: "TSUNAMI" <tsunami@gulfislands.com>
Subject: highly recommended...

neither of the two artists I'm about to recommend is particularly Beth-like, but, I love Beth's music (and jokes!) and both of the following music acts as well:

Leonardo's Bride ~ an excellent Australian band (vocals by Abby Dobson) that's not been heard much, if at all, over here in North America; they've released at least two terrific albums ~ Angel Blood and Open Sesame; a couple of URLs to check: http://www.homestead.com/leonardosbride3/LeonardosBride.html
 and the official band site @ http://www.leonardos-bride.com.au/

Allison Crowe ~ a young singer from my part of the world, who is so awesome that I'm devoting my days now to helping her with management; I was living in Vancouver and was at Sarah McLachlan first shows when still a teen; Allison has a very different voice and personality, but there is that same unmistakeable sense of future greatness; right now she's just starting out ~ her own web addy is http://www.allisoncrowe.com

cheers,  Adrian

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Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 16:37:17 EST
From: HeartofDirkness@aol.com
Subject: Re: small artists and such

Aparently I'm in a minority here, or maybe I'm the guy everyone else is upset 
with... but when I see a show I'm having a good time no matter what... unless 
the music it terrible... otherwise I can usually get along with whoever 
happens to be next to me and no matter how large the venue.   And on the rare 
occasion when I have been annoyed by the crowd arround me, I've always just 
moved.  But then again I don't really take assigned seats as seriously as 
some.  The point is that someone at the show, no matter how large or small 
will be cool enough to hang with, you just have to find them.

One became great by expecting the possible,
another by expecting the eternal;
but he who expected the impossible became the greatest of all.

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Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 23:27:13 -0000
From: "Adam Carrel" <adam.carrel@btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: small artists and such

> May I add another...the rude jerks/jerkettes who push their way past you
to
> the front at the very last minute!!!


I have to admit I have been guilty of this, only once though.  It was at the
Greenday (they're a bit rubbish but I needed to jump around) concert in
Glasgow.  I was with others who weren't really bothered about being near the
front or anything, so we got there a bit late.  The last concert I had been
at was Smashing Pumpkins, in the seats.  Noooo!  Seating sucks so much.  So
I wanted to make sure I felt more involved this time.  Sorry everyone.

Also, I feel I'm often the annoying tall guy at 6'2.  Hardly a world record
but enough to get in the way.  The thing that really annoys me is people who
stick their asses in your face.  They don't have big asses or anything, they
just bend over slightly so that you feel really horrible and uncomfortable.
Crowd surfing doesn't bother me usually, unless the "surfer" is likely to
break my arms

Ok, the "Mosh Pit".  I hate that term but everyone will know what I mean by
it at least.  Anyone had near death experiences in it?  At Greenday (sorry)
we had to pick up this guy as he was crushing this rather small woman
underneath him.  That was a bit scary.  Anyway, I should stop before I tell
you about every other day of my life.

Adam

Am I lonely, or am I just alive?

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Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 20:20:48 EST
From: WideEyedStar@aol.com
Subject: Re: small artists and such

I recently went to a Kara's Flowers show (awesome L.A. band...check out "Sunday Morning") and a girl did the exact same thing.  Shoved her way all the way to the front and then, if you can even fuckin' believe this, motioned for her friends to join her.  Luckily, her friends realized how rude that would be so they stayed back there and the girl later went back to where she was before.

Everyone who replied to my recommendations e-mail... thanks so much.  I'm going to be a busy little gal tracking down all those artists.

- -Jen

"I can resist everything except temptation."
  Oscar Wilde


<<May I add another...the rude jerks/jerkettes who push their way past you to 
the front at the very last minute!!!  Aaaargh!  Don't they realize that there
are other people at the shows who got there earlier & waited a long time 
through opening acts and perhaps before?  That really blows me to see how 
inconsiderate people can be.  It's like..."make way for the king or queen."  
But I've experienced these scenarios at shows in and outside of New York.  I 
guess the only way to avoid this is to work your way to the front row, bring 
plenty of water, and hope your bladder holds.  ;-D

cheers,
Matt>>

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Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 20:20:40 EST
From: WideEyedStar@aol.com
Subject: Re: small artists and such

I recently went to a Kara's Flowers show (awesome L.A. band...check out "Sunday Morning") and a girl did the exact same thing.  Shoved her way all the way to the front and then, if you can even fuckin' believe this, motioned for her friends to join her.  Luckily, her friends realized how rude that would be so they stayed back there and the girl later went back to where she was before.

Everyone who replied to my recommendations e-mail... thanks so much.  I'm going to be a busy little gal tracking down all those artists.

- -Jen

"I can resist everything except temptation."
  Oscar Wilde


<<May I add another...the rude jerks/jerkettes who push their way past you to 
the front at the very last minute!!!  Aaaargh!  Don't they realize that there
are other people at the shows who got there earlier & waited a long time 
through opening acts and perhaps before?  That really blows me to see how 
inconsiderate people can be.  It's like..."make way for the king or queen."  
But I've experienced these scenarios at shows in and outside of New York.  I 
guess the only way to avoid this is to work your way to the front row, bring 
plenty of water, and hope your bladder holds.  ;-D

cheers,
Matt>>

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Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 18:00:12 -0800
From: Thom Morrissey <elberth@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: small artists and such

Hello all,

I've been lurking for months, but I think I'll jump in here.

I actually saw Harry Chapin perform live several times. Although a lot of his
stuff is so arch it's almost funny now, his stage presence was both commanding
and self-deprecating, if that makes sense. And a few of his tunes remain
timeless.

Dylan live is a real treat (do get close, if you can) and acoustic Beck is a
revelatory experience.

As for hating it when your favorite (favourite) act gets huge, I think that
that's a feeling that passes over time. I remember being both excited and
appalled the first time I heard the Smiths on the radio (I saw their first US
show in Chicago). Now, that seems funny. At the Radiohead show at the Greek this
fall, I heard the same comments from fans who couldn't believe all these people
were crashing their party.

These days I try to listen to as broad a spectrum of music as possible, but try
to stick with best of breed. Next up for me is Erykah Badu in two weeks.

Cheers!

Neil Bowles wrote:

> I'd back this up, I took a mate to see Beth at Kings recently, in return he
> played me Eva Cassidy, fantastic singer, you might also want to try
> listening to the Harry Chapin album Greatest Stories Live, including the
> original of Cat's In The Cradle and W.O.L.D. Both are no longer with us, but
> you can still catch the magic.
>
> Neil
>
> > As for recommendations, I got a CD by an artist named Eva Cassidy -
> > apparently she passed away, but her album, Live at Blues Alley is very
> > good.

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Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 21:12:23 EST
From: WideEyedStar@aol.com
Subject: upcoming shows (was..."small artists and such")

Erykah Badu is always a treat.  I just got tickets to the David Gray show in San Diego, which I'm very much looking forward to because 1) it's David Gray and 2) it's general admission.  

- -Jen

"I can resist everything except temptation."
 Oscar Wilde

<<Next up for me is Erykah Badu in two weeks.>>

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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 00:44:09 EST
From: NorthernSoul79@aol.com
Subject: RE: Speaking of Recommendations...

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In a message dated 2/21/01 7:12:17 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
robin_go@hotmail.com writes:

<< Yay! Another Kathryn Williams fan. I think Kathleen will agree with us
 that Little Black Numbers was indeed one of the best releases
 of 2000. >>

i do agree indeed. she's excellent. i order everyone to buy her album. hahaha
and i'd add to the list of good artists Jess Klein. Her album Draw them Near 
is great- it's got a sort of country-folk feel, i guess along the lines of 
sheryl crow. it really grows on you the more you listen to it.

kathleen

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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 00:57:30 EST
From: NorthernSoul79@aol.com
Subject: Re: small artists and such

In a message dated 2/21/01 10:25:21 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
vaughan.29@osu.edu writes:

<< Hey - us big-headed tall guys like good music too... just ask us to 
 move ..<g>
  >>

i'm sorry. i feel like i offended some people. i'll choose my words more 
wisely next time.  i'll take a tall guy any day over kissing couples and 
people incessantly talking.

and speaking of mosh pits....i was nearly killed at an oasis concert once at 
hammerstein ballroom. it was really frightening... and it didn't make any 
sense. i was praying noel would do his little acoustic section like he used 
to so they would quit for a second but he didn't. i thought i was going to be 
crushed. very odd.

kathleen

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