From: owner-trailer-park-digest@smoe.org (trailer-park-digest) To: trailer-park-digest@smoe.org Subject: trailer-park-digest V1 #64 Reply-To: trailer-park Sender: owner-trailer-park-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-trailer-park-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk trailer-park-digest Tuesday, April 25 2000 Volume 01 : Number 064 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 11:45:16 +0100 From: "untruth" Subject: 'Devil was my Angel' Hi All I've been listening to the above named boot, recorded in LA (don't know the venue) on 6th July, 1999. It's a good performance by Beth and the band, even though they are jetlagged, and the traditional Beth joke just doesn't work, because it's too 'English' (Q. Why do penguins walk softly? A. Because they can't walk, hardly) *But*, for me, the big minus is the constant noise made by the audience. I know that there are many Americans on this list, so perhaps one of you could explain why it is that American audiences feel the need to whoop and squeal and shout throughout a show. Is there some law in America that you have to do that? Perhaps it's a condition of entry to a concert, just as we have signs saying 'No recording or photographic equipment allowed'. Oh, and a question to the Brits on the list. Have any of you ever been to a gig in London, where some idiot American *didn't* shout out "I'm from New York (or Philadelphia or Duluth, or wherever)"? I don't think I have. Yours in irritation Neil PS - before anyone accuses me of being anti-American, I'm not - merely irritated at one characteristic of American concertgoers ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 13:44:54 -0400 From: "Tim Clausz" Subject: Re: 'Devil was my Angel' Neil (and everyone else), First, I apologize for the length of this... I am an American, and let me assure you that you are not alone in your irritation. It always pisses me off (and it's always an embarrassment) when people feel the need to shout things out at a show. Having never attended a concert outside the US, I didn't realize that it seems to be an American thing. I really have no idea why people (Americans?) feel the need to make their presence known at a concert. I wish people were more considerate - both of fellow fans and of the artist on stage. Whenever I have seen Beth in Philadelphia (always at the same small venue that holds I think about 900 people max.), the audience has always been "good". However, I have seen other bands at this same venue, and the crowd noise was so loud it was at times louder than the performer. It is so incredibly rude - I can't imagine how the artist feels. I saw Afro Celt Sound System at this same venue, and some asshole near me was yelling things to (and about) one of the singers, as well as making gestures TO the singer. He was right up front (in the pit area), right in front of the stage, so I can't imagine that the band members didn't see him. The idiot also threw something (a rolled-up dollar bill, I think) up on stage, which prompted security members to come over and "warn" him (though unfortunately they didn't throw him out). I got to talk to a couple of the band members after the show (including the member to whom the remarks/gestures were directed), and I actually apologized to them for his behavior. There's a related, funny story about the last Beth show I attended. Someone in the crowd (who, ironically, had a British accent) kept talking loudly to the person next to him during Beth's set. He was doing nothing but raving about her and saying how great she was/how incredible her voice was. From some of the things I could hear him saying, I realized that he was somehow associated with either Beth or her record company (though I couldn't understand why someone who was associated with Beth would be this rude during her set.) Anyway, a girl eventually went over to him and told him to shut up. I guess he realized how rude he had been, so he went back over to her and gave her something. The girl and her friend looked at the them, dropped them on the floor, then left. I looked to see what they were and realized that they were FREAKIN' BACKSTAGE PASSES!! The guy went over and picked them up (before I had a chance to!), then left a few minutes later. Tim ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 14:41:39 -0500 From: Miguel Solana Subject: Re: 'Devil was my Angel' Hey there! Well I'm from Mexico, and have been to concerts, in the US, Canada and Europe, and I truly think that you can't make a judgment on audiences. About a month ago I went to see Cranes live in a very small venue (the Hard Rock live) and the audience really sucked, they'd keep shouting things to Alisson (the lead singer), and would simply wouldn't shut during her performance, and for example for Morrissey, which was in a bigger venue and the crowd was lovely. I was Beth Orton last summer in LA at Lilith fair, and I think the audience enjoyed and was calm during her set, though it's hard to say, as Second stage was in place where you could see all the people passing and chatting, but the ones that were into Beth really were respecting her performance. When Beth performed along with Sheryl Crow I think everybody liked that. Also that day I got to meet Beth Orton, while I was taking my lunch break (during Dixie Chicks performance), we were standing close to the restricted area, and suddenly I saw this tall woman with a funny gray hat just jumping out of there and starting to mix into the crowd, and I simply told my friend "hey, I think that's Beth", so we started chasing her and when she stopped to sing the Breast cancer support poster, and that's when I was able to talk to her a little bit and get her autograph, then letting her mix again into the crowd. In regard of audiences, I think I've seen both great and sucky ones in the same place, so I can't really say. It's not an American nor Mexican nor British thing, it's simply matter of people. About 15 days ago the cranberries were playing Mexico city, and I went to both concerts, the first night the audience was great, the second night, I wanted to be released from it, such is life... Love Miguel ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 12:42:51 -0700 From: "Aubrey Louise Morrison" Subject: Re: 'Devil was my Angel' Hey Guys...i have a question. I just noticed that Beck is coming to Vancouver, B.C. and it says on tourdates.com that Beth Orton is opening for him. But, is this true? Didn't that article say that Beth was taking two months off due to health problems?? I can't believe I didn't know she was coming so close (I live in Seattle) and now tickets are sold out!! AHHH!! Thanks! Aubrey Morrison p.s. In response to the "rude" americans at concerts...i am in complete agreement. The severity of the rudeness really depends on the concert itself. The worst was when I saw Sarah McLachlan a few years ago and the people in the audience kept on yelling things to her while she was onstage trying to perform. Also, when I saw Beth Orton people kept yelling out their requests....it gets really irritating. Can't they just clap and show their appreciation after the artist has finished up a song. The only concerts I have been to out of the country were Lilith Fair in Vancouver and when I saw Lisa Loeb in Vancouver. I didn't seem to notice much difference in the audiences in comparison to those in the states. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 13:12:14 -0700 (PDT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?fiona=20cox?= Subject: Re: 'Devil was my Angel' Cool! Does anyone know if a bootleg exists of Sheryl Crow and Beth together? If so, is there anywhere I can download it? Thanking you in a hopeful advance fee - --- Miguel Solana wrote: > Hey there! > > Well I'm from Mexico, and have been to concerts, in > the US, Canada and > Europe, and I truly think that you can't make a > judgment on audiences. > About a month ago I went to see Cranes live in a > very small venue (the Hard > Rock live) and the audience really sucked, they'd > keep shouting things to > Alisson (the lead singer), and would simply wouldn't > shut during her > performance, and for example for Morrissey, which > was in a bigger venue and > the crowd was lovely. I was Beth Orton last summer > in LA at Lilith fair, > and I think the audience enjoyed and was calm during > her set, though it's > hard to say, as Second stage was in place where you > could see all the > people passing and chatting, but the ones that were > into Beth really were > respecting her performance. When Beth performed > along with Sheryl Crow I > think everybody liked that. Also that day I got to > meet Beth Orton, while I > was taking my lunch break (during Dixie Chicks > performance), we were > standing close to the restricted area, and suddenly > I saw this tall woman > with a funny gray hat just jumping out of there and > starting to mix into > the crowd, and I simply told my friend "hey, I think > that's Beth", so we > started chasing her and when she stopped to sing the > Breast cancer support > poster, and that's when I was able to talk to her a > little bit and get her > autograph, then letting her mix again into the > crowd. In regard of > audiences, I think I've seen both great and sucky > ones in the same place, > so I can't really say. It's not an American nor > Mexican nor British thing, > it's simply matter of people. About 15 days ago the > cranberries were > playing Mexico city, and I went to both concerts, > the first night the > audience was great, the second night, I wanted to be > released from it, such > is life... > > Love > > Miguel > > ===== "Love is touching souls" - - Joni Mitchell, in 'A Case Of You', from the sublime album 'Blue', which is nearly as good as 'Tuesday Night Music Club' or 'Sheryl Crow' or 'The Globe Sessions'. But not quite, obviously. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 20:25:42 -0400 From: "Will Kostelecky" Subject: RE: 'Devil was my Angel' HI FROM A LOUD AMERICAN! ;-) Actually its not just at concerts that Americans are loud. I'm not sure why this is, but we (I'm from the states) are just plain louder than *most* folks from the other side of the pond. Some of this may actually have to do with our respective work environments. In the states we favor much more individual space in terms of high wall cubes and hard walled offices. A lot of the offices that I have seen in the U.K. and in Europe have much more shared open space. Put a bunch of loud Americans in office space like that and I'm not sure we would ever get anything done! Of course this doesnt explain the younger folks who have yet to enter the work force does it? Oh well, on to another theory...maybe its something in the milk? BTW, if you want to hear some good music, without a cover, and without yakking audiences, check out the Kasmirklub in London centre. Its run by a musician to showcase aspiring musicians and the talent there is really good...and no-one even talks during the sets (or they get shooshed by Tony). I've seen a couple of artists there with a sound that folks on this list would probably like. See www.kashmirklub.com. Cheers/Will - -----Original Message----- From: owner-trailer-park@smoe.org [mailto:owner-trailer-park@smoe.org]On Behalf Of untruth Sent: Monday, April 24, 2000 6:45 AM To: trailer-park@smoe.org Subject: 'Devil was my Angel' Hi All I've been listening to the above named boot, recorded in LA (don't know the venue) on 6th July, 1999. It's a good performance by Beth and the band, even though they are jetlagged, and the traditional Beth joke just doesn't work, because it's too 'English' (Q. Why do penguins walk softly? A. Because they can't walk, hardly) *But*, for me, the big minus is the constant noise made by the audience. I know that there are many Americans on this list, so perhaps one of you could explain why it is that American audiences feel the need to whoop and squeal and shout throughout a show. Is there some law in America that you have to do that? Perhaps it's a condition of entry to a concert, just as we have signs saying 'No recording or photographic equipment allowed'. Oh, and a question to the Brits on the list. Have any of you ever been to a gig in London, where some idiot American *didn't* shout out "I'm from New York (or Philadelphia or Duluth, or wherever)"? I don't think I have. Yours in irritation Neil PS - before anyone accuses me of being anti-American, I'm not - merely irritated at one characteristic of American concertgoers ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 00:14:05 +0100 From: "untruth" Subject: Re: 'Devil was my Angel' Fiona Cox wrote :- >---Ooh, do I detect a small pet hate here? Absolutely - obviously I didn't make myself very clear did I ? Now which side of the water are you from ? Cheers Neil > >--- untruth wrote: >> Hi All >> >> I've been listening to the above named boot, >> recorded in LA (don't know the >> venue) on 6th July, 1999. >> >> It's a good performance by Beth and the band, even >> though they are >> jetlagged, and the traditional Beth joke just >> doesn't work, because it's too >> 'English' (Q. Why do penguins walk softly? A. >> Because they can't walk, >> hardly) >> >> *But*, for me, the big minus is the constant noise >> made by the audience. I >> know that there are many Americans on this list, so >> perhaps one of you could >> explain why it is that American audiences feel the >> need to whoop and squeal >> and shout throughout a show. Is there some law in >> America that you have to >> do that? Perhaps it's a condition of entry to a >> concert, just as we have >> signs saying 'No recording or photographic quipment >> allowed'. >> >> Oh, and a question to the Brits on the list. Have >> any of you ever been to a >> gig in London, where some idiot American *didn't* >> shout out "I'm from New >> York (or Philadelphia or Duluth, or wherever)"? I >> don't think I have. >> >> Yours in irritation >> >> Neil >> >> PS - before anyone accuses me of being >> anti-American, I'm not - merely >> irritated at one characteristic of American >> concertgoers >> >> >> >> >>===== >>"Love is touching souls" >>- Joni Mitchell, in 'A Case Of You', from the sublime album 'Blue', which >is nearly as good as 'Tuesday Night Music Club' or 'Sheryl Crow' or 'The >Globe Sessions'. >>But not quite, obviously. >> >>__________________________________________________ >>Do You Yahoo!? >>Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. >>http://invites.yahoo.com >> > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 21:44:43 -0400 From: "Chris Beckwith" Subject: Re: 'Devil was my Angel' Okay boys and girls, let's take this argument to private mail from now on! Take care, Chris List Owner ------------------------------ End of trailer-park-digest V1 #64 *********************************