From: owner-the-landing-digest@smoe.org (the-landing-digest) To: the-landing-digest@smoe.org Subject: the-landing-digest V2 #158 Reply-To: the-landing@smoe.org Sender: owner-the-landing-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-the-landing-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk the-landing-digest Monday, July 12 1999 Volume 02 : Number 158 Today's Subjects: ----------------- re: icq, new album [Jessica Brandt ] the interview, for Andy's sake [Jessica Brandt ] Tom Maxwell Memorials [Jessica Brandt ] When worlds collide... [kobyc@softhome.net (Star-Beast Task Force Milky W] Re: Tom Maxwell Memorials [kobyc@softhome.net (Star-Beast Task Force Milk] re: icq, new album ["Ryan Sargent" ] AOLIM, Copyright infringment [Gerald Dishon ] Re: AOLIM, Copyright infringment [kobyc@softhome.net (Star-Beast Task For] Re: the-landing-digest V2 #157 [SNZfreak@aol.com] Re: the-landing-digest V2 #157 [Shaun Smakal ] Re: the-landing-digest V2 #157 [Shaun Smakal ] Here's an Independant film for ya! [Shaun Smakal ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 04:27:29 -0500 From: Jessica Brandt Subject: re: icq, new album My icq # is 41982463 and my AIM name is ZipperJJ but no one really talks to me...'cept Dave. Hi Dave! :) uhmmm... I talked to Ken yesterday and he was sort of upset about reading all the press about Tom leaving and seeing that a lot of it mentioned new members and a new album, because apparently he didn't get that half of the press release. You'll notice on the PR that he posted on www.snzippers.com doesn't mention new members or a new band. But i don't know the extent of his worries. The PR was written by Jimbo i guess and i HOPE that a) there is a new album and b) there are no new members, except maybe an okay "replacement" for Tom. Ryan, where did you get that Craig Kilborn quote? did he say it on his show? if so, when? Jess *********************************************************** * --+-READ THE SHRUBBERY-+-- * http://www.theshrubbery.com --New Every Month- -Humor, Music, News and More-- *********************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 04:34:24 -0500 From: Jessica Brandt Subject: the interview, for Andy's sake Since i want everyone to read this, and i luv AndyMan, here is the interview. Sorry for the length, but it's so SNZ related it hurts. The link, one more time, is: http://www.launch.com/Features/fs_Start.asp?contentType=INTV&FeatureMode=Int erview&contentId=795 (Launch.com, written by Dave Dimartino) A word to the wise: If you're ever so lucky to hang out with members of the Squirrel Nut Zippers, don't call them the "architects of the neo-swing movement." When LAUNCH executive editor Dave DiMartino cited a recent review of the band in which they were so described, the group's Tom Maxwell exclaimed, "It's useless, sad, pathetic, and totally transient [to refer to this as a movement]." DiMartino urged Maxwell to elaborate. "Music is a living entity independent of any trend or culture," Maxwell said of his distinctly Southern band. "We just use whatever means necessary to convey our message and get the vibe out there." This energetic seven-piece outfit has been getting its message out lately via the album Perennial Favorites, which showcases everything from country, blues, and bluegrass to rock 'n' roll, jazz, and the fatback Memphis sound. DiMartino hung out with Maxwell and the Zippers' Jim Mathus prior to an L.A. gig at the El Rey Theater. Here's how the conversation went... LAUNCH: Talk to me about this so-called "neo-swing" movement. You've been called the "architects" of this new trend. Is it legitimate? TOM: I'll tell you what's happening. We live in a trend- and fad-oriented culture and have been for generations, and that is what drives radio and records and most media. It's like, "Here's your box, here's your pigeonhole. Now stay in there." It was so great when our single "Hell" broke because nobody knew what to call it, what to do with it. That was really beautiful. It was like a "through the looking glass" moment. But to me, the neo-swing thing is a joke. I don't want to be associated with the iconography of martinis and cigars. That has nothing to do with music. I don't want to sell khakis. As a band we're tying to make music that is timeless. And if you align yourself with a trend, you're screwed, you're obsolete. People will say, "Oh, that's so 1997." Why on Earth would we want to do that? We're just appropriating whatever musical gestures we feel are most appropriate and sound best to us. JIM: I don't consider us a part of any revival. When we started, we were just getting our sound together in our own little way, and that was about four or five years ago. We were just traveling and making our first sounds as a band. There was no swing scene in North Carolina of any kind, but I see it on the West Coast. I've seen swing nights advertised in the paper. That's when I first realized how popular it was in nightclubs. I think swing is part of our sound but it's not what we are. I think a lot of swing dancers would tell you that, too. A lot of our music is too fast and too weird to do the swing dancing to, I think. LAUNCH: But your sound is so distinctive. How conscious are you of trying to make music that sounds like it's of a certain era? JIM: Am I trying to make music that sounds old? Is that what you're asking? It's just what I listen to, ever since 1985. I started out with the blues, country, bluegrass. That's what I grew up on. My family are musicians, but the jazz element didn't enter into it until I met Katharine [Whalen, the Zippers' singer and Jim's wife], because that was our common ground. I started learning some jazz changes and putting jazz music together. I just listen to old music, so that's what I write. LAUNCH: The notion of authenticity and the kind of music you make...do you think in terms of making sure your music remains true to its roots? TOM: Authenticity doesn't bother me a bit. To me, authenticity means emotional honesty. And whatever means by which you attain that are fine. I understand as a musician that music is a living entity independent of any trend or culture. There are different ways to get at it through trend and culture and musical gestures, but it exists independently of that. So any recording made at any time, if it was done with heartfelt emotion, does not sound dated no matter how primitively it may have been recorded. The upside of the pastiche sort of culture we live in now is the fact that we're not relegated to our one little window of time. We don't believe in the ladder of progress where you can never go back. That's all hooey. We just use whatever means necessary to convey the message and get the vibe out there, and thus, I think, we are authentic. LAUNCH: Well, it's safe to say that the music you make is definitely unique. How would you describe the sound of the Squirrel Nut Zippers? JIM: I read an article recently that described us as a musical gumbo. I kind of like that. You just throw a bunch of stuff in a pot and cook it long enough. It's not the most elegant thing in the world to serve, but you will be satisfied... TOM: The best definition of SNZ is probably "'30s punk." That was one I heard that I thought was pretty cool. The rest are inadequate. I can't come up with a description either. If you try to come up with one word, you'll fail. But '30s punk? Hey, you've got something! LAUNCH: Can you cite any key factors that you think contributed to your recent success? JIM: I think our energy has a lot to do with it. The song "Hell" had a lot to do with it because it was real catchy. And I think when people see us and hear our records, we have a diverse sound. Plus we have Katharine, who's a great singer. And I think timing had a lot to do with it. I'm probably the most clueless when it comes to why we are popular. TOM: There are two definitions of success we can look at. One is units sold and degree of fame, and the key to that was "Hell" as a single. "Hell" hit on radio and we sold records and achieved unparalleled levels of exposure. But our success in my mind has to do with improving our craft. The key to that success is our willingness to give ourselves over to this thing as players, songwriters. To commit ourselves to constantly improve our craft whether it's songwriting, singing, playing our instruments, or making better records. To that end, we were successful before we became "successful." LAUNCH: Any criticism you've come across that really rubs you the wrong way? JIM: We've gotten some bad reviews and stuff like that. But I didn't set out to please any writers, so it really doesn't bother me. I don't like when they write something bad about my wife, but otherwise, I'm just, "Ah, whatever..." TOM: All criticism rubs me the wrong way! I make the mistake of reading our own press, and a lot of the times it's wrong. If it's really, really positive, it's usually wrong. And if it's really, really negative, it's usually wrong. They don't get it, or I don't understand exactly where they're coming from. The thing that rankles me is when people say we can't play our instruments. Which is nutty to me. Of course we can't play like Louis Armstrong, Fats Waller. This is a given. We are not masters of our instruments the way those guys were. But I think man for man, in terms of the complexity of what we do and our ability to drop and improvise at any given point, I think we're better than the majority of rock 'n' roll bands out there. So we're raising the bar, but we're getting cut down for it at the same time. So be it though. That's how God wills it. If we played really well, we'd get knocked for being too smooth. So...who gives a sh-t? LAUNCH: How much of the music that you guys play is truly heartfelt, how much is showbiz? TOM: Well, you know, it's entertainment, and we're entertainers, right? So there's a marriage one has to create between craft and emotion. We put a great deal of store by heartfelt, visceral, emotive impact. But, in order to achieve that you have to learn a few things about how to write a song, how to use your voice to sing, how to use your body onstage, so I think the cop-out answer is that it's simultaneous artifice and complete, heartfelt sincerity. Ha ha! I haven't figured it out yet, you know? LAUNCH: Did your previous bands sound like Squirrel Nut Zippers? TOM: I was a rock 'n' roll drummer for eight years. But I got turned onto Harlem hot music 10 years ago. I would listen to my Fats Waller records, my Cab Calloway records. The songs I first was writing were Squirrel Nut Zippers songs, but there was no Squirrel Nut Zippers. So I'd bring them to my rock 'n' roll band, and they were like, "These are great songs, and we'll play them, but you should write some rock 'n' roll songs." JIM: I grew up playing country and bluegrass. We had a family band, and when I turned 14, I got an electric guitar and an amp. I've been in two or three dozen bands. And there was none you would have heard of. They were all in Mississippi and there were no record labels or business going on. I was writing my own music: a mixture of blues, country, and rock. I was really into Neil Young when I was a teenager. At the same time, I was playing Elmore James. It's always been a real mixture with me. LAUNCH: You've released a few albums now. Have you noticed a certain area where the band really has displayed marked improvement since the beginning? JIM: Since we first started, hopefully we've gotten better at playing and singing. A lot of times, we just pick instruments up. If we want an instrument in the band, we just buy the instrument and somebody volunteers to play it. So they have to teach themselves to play it. We're basically rank amateurs with a lot of feeling for what we do. We've listened to a lot of this music. Hopefully our learning curve will catch up with our aspirations someday and we'll make a truly great record. TOM: I think there's been growth on all levels, and, as songwriters, we've grown quite a bit. We've learned to tailor our songs to the strengths of this band. I've learned to edit myself; I don't hold onto every song and refuse to change it. I'm willing to do whatever it takes to make it a better song. As singers and performers we've improved measurably. Noticeably. On the first record I didn't play sax at all. On the second record I played baritone. Now it's tenor and clarinet. Jimbo taught himself to play the trombone. Katharine's voice has improved a lot, as have all of ours. But also, on the production front, we learned how to record, we learned what sounds we wanted and how to get them. It took three records to figure that out, and I don't think that process is finished. The beauty of this band is that we're sitting at the feet of the Buddha. You don't attain Nirvana by doing that, but I feel like I could live my whole life learning to attain more subtlety and grace. Whereas with rock 'n' roll, I was too old at 27! LAUNCH: You've played with the Dirty Dozen Brass Band and I understand you guys jam together onstage in these spontaneous sessions. Is it scary to jump up onstage and play an instrument for the first time? JIM: You've just gotta face the music, man. Any band we tour with we wind up jamming with. There's numbers that we can play that just about any jazz musician or horn player can sit in with us on. You can't shy away from getting schooled on your instrument. We're unapologetic about what we do, basically, and we're trying to learn just like everyone else. The Dirty Dozen has been playing for 20 years. We're not really intimidated by that. It's like being ugly or skinny, you know? There's nothing I can do about that. We can mix with just about anything. LAUNCH: Tell me about the holiday record, Christmas Caravan, that you released last year. TOM: We did a Christmas record, and instead of doing covers, which seemed like all we had time for, we wrote all original material for it, which was cool for us. Perennial Favorites was completed in January of 1997, and it wasn't issued until June 1998. There was a lot of static. Our Christmas music is totally identifiably a SNZ product. There's humor and menace all over the place. We do a version of a song that our drummer's [Chris Phillips] grandfather wrote, "I'm Hanging Up My Stockings." It was never published, but it was a beautiful song. I think it's our best record. The production is better and more consistent than any other record. The performances show how far we've come in the intervening year-and-a-half since Perennial Favorites' completion. The songwriting shows how we've continued to diversify. I'm pleased. LAUNCH: Are there any precursors in pop music that you admire who may have pushed you toward this style? TOM: I've always really liked the Cheap Suit Serenaders, this band of lunatics from the Bay Area of San Francisco. The cartoonist R. Crumb was in the band. They were putting out records in the late '60s, early '70s. They had a singing saw. Totally uncool. As uncool as you could get 30 years ago. They made some great records, and did covers and wrote songs. One of the greatest Hawaiian guitar players was in that band. I'm also a huge fan of Ronnie Lane, the bass player for the Small Faces, and then the Faces with Rod Stewart. Then Ronnie formed his own band, Slim Chance, which was aptly named as it went nowhere. He had the whole idea of traveling around with a caravan of performers--fire-eaters, etc. They would travel around and set up in the town commons and play. It was a total disaster. But he made some of the finest music. He basically invented English folk-rock with sax, piano, clarinet, acoustic guitars. It was a great band. Finally, after his death, that stuff is starting to be reissued and I think people should get it. I used to go out every April Fool's day and have a drink on Ronnie. It was his birthday. I always wanted to meet him and never had the chance. JIM: I really admire Bob Dylan. His new record is the first new release I've bought in about 15 years. I think he's great. And there's a lot of modern bands--contemporaries of ours--that are doing great things: the North Mississippi All-Stars, Ray Condo & the Ricochets from Canada, and the Cigar Store Indians from Georgia are melding different sounds together, from older sounds to new approaches. I think Bob Dylan really absorbed a lot of that blues and country music and everything-I think he's been a great artist his whole career. He's one of the few people I can think of. Bill Monroe... LAUNCH: Live performance vs. the studio experience--tell me the difference. TOM: It is a different experience hearing us live, although a lot of the records are basically live. On the record, you can use any instrument that you can play: 70-year-old archtop guitars, bass clarinets, baritone ukuleles, whatever's at your disposal. This is impossible on the road. You're relegated basically to amplified guitar and saxophones that can take a pounding. But when you're recording there's no audience to feed off and you don't get that positive loop of energy. We take a lot more chances live and sometimes we fall on our face, but sometimes we can break away and turn in some amazing performances. There's this third entity that is crowd-and-band. It's an un-nameable thing. I don't talk about it too much, because it sounds stupid, but you can experience it--and I have many times. LAUNCH: How great an impact does your location, your upbringing, have on the music of Squirrel Nut Zippers? TOM: We are straight-up Southerners, and that informs our music. I've never been anything else, so I don't know really. This music originated in the South. A lot of great and beautiful things happened to it up in Chicago and New York, but there's a Southern-ness to it that I totally latch onto. There are certain phrases, musical phrases as well as lyrical phrases: how one thinks of oneself in one's environment or addresses other people, the type of issues one might be concerned with are distinctly Southern in many ways. We use "head arrangements." In other words, we never write anything down. I think that's Southern thing to do. The guys at Stax Volt never wrote anything down, whereas everything at Motown was highly structured. And I tend to gravitate more toward that fatback Memphis soul music, you know? LAUNCH: How has being successful changed your life? JIM: I travel a lot more--that's about it. I got a '70 Monte Carlo that I just bought. Some $2 shoes. TOM: My barber started treating me different, man. I used to be the fly on the wall and hear those guys swap stories about the UNC basketball team. Now it's like I'm the UNC basketball team. Bells and trumpets, you know? It's cool if he derives some pleasure out of that, but after a while it makes you feel a little weird. Everybody treats you differently, and you cannot be prepared for success at all. LAUNCH: If your band could be any size, what would you prefer? JIM: Number of personnel? It depends on the music. I'd like to have about 15 different bands. A trio, a gospel quartet, a jazz big band. And I do have a lot of different groups I play in in Chapel Hill and in Mississippi. They're mostly blues- and country-based. The SNZ is a combination of everyone--the seven of us--bringing their influence in. That's what makes the sound. There isn't one "god" of the band directing. We got together and the sound we came up with is the sound that we're good at. TOM: Yeah, I think we're ideal right now. There's enough people in the band--enough instrumentalists to keep it interesting, enough singers to share the load. We've done impromptu jam sessions with other bands, having 15 people onstage doing improvised, unrehearsed versions of songs. That can be incredible, but it can also be a little onerous. I've always been a fan of small band "hot" music or small band swing. Because, like in Dixieland, every individual member has their own superhero and their own instrument or voice, and when you get into big bands where you have six saxophones and four trumpets, guys have got to be playing parts or else they'll step over each other. It's impossible to all be free and express themselves in that Dixieland sort of way...So you have to read your part, toe the line, I've never been one for that. Really not much at all. LAUNCH: If you could play any other kind of music, or join any other band, what would it be? TOM: I don't think I can answer that. I sit in with some rock 'n' roll bands. I still play drums occasionally and sit in with some of my friends. I wouldn't mind getting into a band that sounds like Howlin' Wolf's old band from Memphis. They were rocking. But then again, there's only one Howlin' Wolf, so you wouldn't have a chance of doing that anyway. I'm not much of a blues player, though. His guitar player Willie Cotton--that guy was on fire. I've never heard sounds like that. He was getting feedback in 1952. That sh-t was for real. I don't know, maybe Johnny Ace's band. LAUNCH: Who's in your audience? What do you know about your fans? JIM: I think they're there to have a good time and they're there to smile and to enjoy themselves. That's the mood we try to create. There's nothing too serious at the concerts. Our music is lightening people's lives, you know? So they're generally very friendly, and when I meet them, I generally like them. I wouldn't want them all over to my house...but they seem to be nice. It's multi-ethnic and a wide variety of ages. TOM: I think our audience at our shows changes as a result of the venues we play and the hours that we play. Of course, with the times we live in, we're largely relegated to rock 'n' roll venues. And if it's a bar, the teenagers can't get in, and it's too late for the old folks. If we play an earlier, all-ages show, we get a profound diversity. People who are 30 and 40 are screwed. They don't have a product; the industry doesn't pay attention to them. So all of them come out. That happened relatively quickly for us, and that really blew our minds. We didn't have a target audience in mind. It shocked us to see skinheads, little 12-year-olds come out. They don't like anything, you know? They've been programmed to hate what their parents like. Here's a great story: I was signing autographs on the H.O.R.D.E. tour, and this old woman came up, she was easily 70, and she said, "I love your music, will you sign my CD?" So I sign it and tell her thank you and she goes, "And my mother likes it too!" and she points to this ancient woman, who's back there waving: "Oh I love it!" That was one of the funniest and most awesome experiences of my life. *********************************************************** * --+-READ THE SHRUBBERY-+-- * http://www.theshrubbery.com --New Every Month- -Humor, Music, News and More-- *********************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 05:39:08 -0500 From: Jessica Brandt Subject: Tom Maxwell Memorials Oy...this is what Jessica does at 5 Am to amuse herself. have fun! Okay now i thought this was weird: http://www.cavannet.ie/culture/music/tommax.htm And then i thought this was creepy: http://www.eveninghatch.com/index.html And i thought this was contradictory (note last 2 paragraphs): http://www.theredjacket.com/press5.html I think this is really funny and insightful: http://www.plan9music.com/1998/09/zippers.html I found this sort of amusing. (guy w/hat is named Tom Maxwell): http://music.acmecity.com/band/138/images/have_mercy.jpg This is what Tom would be like if he were a doctor (especially read the first Thomas Maxwell post, about Perrennial Philosophy, and substitute PF for PP. Makes for fun reading): http://csf.colorado.edu/mail/ecol-econ/maxwell-vs-mcgowen/index.html Fun fact (click ctrl+f and search for "maxwell"): http://wunc.citysearch.com/meet_the_voices_you_hear.html *********************************************************** * --+-READ THE SHRUBBERY-+-- * http://www.theshrubbery.com --New Every Month- -Humor, Music, News and More-- *********************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 13:14:23 GMT From: kobyc@softhome.net (Star-Beast Task Force Milky Way-Man) Subject: When worlds collide... I know a lot of you on here are BF5 fans, so this could be interesting - -- might want to forward it to your BF groups. This snippet was taken from a panel at Atlanta Dragon*Con with a few guys who write and/or voice characters on "Space Ghost Coast to Coast". >Pete: We have a whole, a huge stack of interviews that we haven't used, and >never will. It's hard to get ... > >Fan: Such as? > >Andy: Ben Folds. Too bad, eh? - -Peter Destructo "Well, we have a saying that goes if we can't be funny, then let's just be weird. Whenever we get stuck we've always fallen back on that and it's always worked." - Space Ghost Coast to Coast executive producer Keith Crofford "....Speaking of tights, Ricky Martin's pants will be auctioned off to the highest bidder on June 12. Other ex-Menudo members, meanwhile, will look at their own pants, hanging neatly in their closets, and decide they never liked Ricky." - Vector Black, Ghost Planet News, http://www.ghostplanet.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 13:40:19 GMT From: kobyc@softhome.net (Star-Beast Task Force Milky Way-Man) Subject: Re: Tom Maxwell Memorials On Sun, 11 Jul 1999 05:39:08 -0500, you wrote: >Oy...this is what Jessica does at 5 Am to amuse herself. have fun! Jessica -- idea. Would you mind making a SNZ "announce" list? All you would have to do is cut & paste all this garbage, with maybe URLs to pictures. This would help those of us with really sloooowww connections. And make it easier -- everything downloads when you click "get mail". And text only, with no ads or cookies. Waddya think? - -Peter Destructo "Well, we have a saying that goes if we can't be funny, then let's just be weird. Whenever we get stuck we've always fallen back on that and it's always worked." - Space Ghost Coast to Coast executive producer Keith Crofford "....Speaking of tights, Ricky Martin's pants will be auctioned off to the highest bidder on June 12. Other ex-Menudo members, meanwhile, will look at their own pants, hanging neatly in their closets, and decide they never liked Ricky." - Vector Black, Ghost Planet News, http://www.ghostplanet.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 08:33:30 PDT From: "Ryan Sargent" Subject: re: icq, new album >Ryan, where did you get that Craig Kilborn quote? I went to the Late Late Show with Craig Kilborn home page http://db.cbs.com/prd1/now/now1_frameset?P_URL_BOT=http%3A%2F%2Fmarketing%2Ecbs%2Ecom%2Fmini%2Flatelate%2F and typed in Squirrel Nut Zippers in the search. All it does is bring back a funny little quote from Craig with the thing you typed in in put in various times. If you keep typing in the same things a quote that makes sense is bound to show up. Craig also mentioned this: "Whenever Tom Maxwell comes up, I think of women! Women are like snowflakes. They are all different and unique, but they are all cold. And when you are lucky enough to catch one and show it some warmth it melts, but before you know what to do she disappears... FOREVER! Wow, sorry about that." -Craig Kilborn. _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 13:03:44 -0500 From: Gerald Dishon Subject: AOLIM, Copyright infringment My AOLIM name is GDishon (2 points to the first person who can figure out why, haha). And to whoever it was that suggested that Jessica copy all related articles and post them here (I foget who it was; my computer crashed and I lost that message): 1. That makes for REALLY BIG messages that take forever to get, and 2. The sources of this information usually copyright it, so somebody would have to get permission to do that (to be legal; of course, if you want to be E-vil like a certain Dr. I could think of... but we'd need a scheme to take over the world first...). Gerald - --Now we enter the second phase of our plan, or is it the third phase? I don't know, I don't do phases.-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 23:30:02 GMT From: kobyc@softhome.net (Star-Beast Task Force Milky Way-Man) Subject: Re: AOLIM, Copyright infringment On Sun, 11 Jul 1999 13:03:44 -0500, you wrote: >And to whoever it was that suggested that Jessica copy all related >articles and post them here (I foget who it was; my computer crashed and >I lost that message): > >1. That makes for REALLY BIG messages that take forever to get, and That's why I suggested to make a SEPARATE, announce-only type list. >2. The sources of this information usually copyright it, so somebody >would have to get permission to do that (to be legal; of course, if you >want to be E-vil like a certain Dr. I could think of... but we'd need a >scheme to take over the world first...). Eh... screw it. It's not like you're publishing it. Just posting it to a mailing list. Legal enough for me. - -PD ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 22:09:46 EDT From: SNZfreak@aol.com Subject: Re: the-landing-digest V2 #157 How exactly does one go about getting ICQ? ~~G DoGg~~ P.S. I have to talk about the Zippers every time I send mail...I just got two new SNZ shirts. If you can't tell, I am doing flips as we speak. And if you know me you would probably drop dead from me doing flips. C-ya! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jul 99 19:12:47 -0800 (PST) From: Shaun Smakal Subject: Re: the-landing-digest V2 #157 head over to www.mirabilis.com you can download it from here. I'm new at this but theres a lot of info about it at the web site. rockin with my bad self's ICQ number: 43363915 shaun == Impetus (im'-pa-tas) [L. attack] n. the force with which a body moves; momentum; boost. "The secret the government never wanted you to know.. SPAM IS PEOPLE!!!!" - Jay Leno _____________________________________________________________ Subject: 120 minutes. I didn't get to see all of that 120 minutes show people were talking about, did they ever show "Stephen Foster"? I had to keep switching the channel because they played a lot of really bad music. I think that besides a bands we are in a dark age of music. I just hope that someday more people will try stepping out of trends insted of jumping in them. And stop letting the studio's amd computers do all the work. _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. 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