From: owner-sycophant-digest@smoe.org (sycophant-digest) To: sycophant-digest@smoe.org Subject: sycophant-digest V5 #3 Reply-To: sycophant@smoe.org Sender: owner-sycophant-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-sycophant-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk sycophant-digest Tuesday, January 11 2000 Volume 05 : Number 003 Today's Subjects: ----------------- sycophant Sound / Album / Amos [Stian Sandberg ] sycophant Oh no, not Lisa Gerrard!!! ["Christian Boyon" ] re: sycophant Oh no, not Lisa Gerrard!!! [bilbo hicks ] Re: sycophant answers? OT - DCD: Brendan vs. Lisa [Matt J ] Re: sycophant Sound / Album / Amos [Matt J ] Re: sycophant Sound / Album / Amos [Matt J ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 11:45:55 +0100 From: Stian Sandberg Subject: sycophant Sound / Album / Amos Hello Are my speakers totally fucked or is the sound on Slide a bit "dotty" and bad? On the subject of sound, in my ears Happiness has som very nice recording-work on it, while Geek is really bad, but that's cos of the atmosphere I guess, it works really well, kinda demo-ish. About the new go at the tribute-album; I have sleeve-stuff lying around, but I have no opportunity to print anything or press anything, so if nobody else wants to do the sleeve, I'd be happy to keep working on the one I've started, but I'd have to send all files etc. to someone who has printing-skills or resources. That was a long sentence. Plus, I want a discussion on Tori Amos! Is she shit? Stian - ------- The Ectophile's Guide to Good Music: http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide/ - ------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with the message: unsubscribe sycophant If you gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of computers, they would all get AOL accounts and send unsub messages to the list address. AOL users please read the instructions six lines up before unsubbing. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 13:07:04 +0000 From: Pedro Borges Subject: Re: sycophant the tribute > actually, since the deadline is in february, i might consider contributing > a simple song, but i don't know which ones are allready taken.. i will > probably not do anything but if there's a song that i can figure out, that > i like, and that has not been taken i would consider it.. so if someone can > recal some contributions it would be appreciated.. There are still a lot of great songs. I'd love to see "Cracklin' Water" in the tribute. And there are a lot of the "Geek the Girl" album songs still available. "Trouble", "Geek the Girl", "of love and colours". Perhaps you could do one of those. - ------- The Ectophile's Guide to Good Music: http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide/ - ------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with the message: unsubscribe sycophant If you gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of computers, they would all get AOL accounts and send unsub messages to the list address. AOL users please read the instructions six lines up before unsubbing. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 15:54:40 GMT From: "Christian Boyon" Subject: sycophant Oh no, not Lisa Gerrard!!! Hi every Sycophants, If I may add something to the general opinion about or on (my English grammar is awful too, but look at my name and you understand immediately), so about Lisa Gerrard alone or from Dead Can Dance. I feel some difficulties to write her name, to pronounce it too, 'coz almost every soul I met when I say Lisa Germano, they understand Lisa Gerrard. I'm seriously fed up about that fact. So after that email I shall never talk or write about that pretentious full of hydrogene imitation of real Medieval singers. Try for example everything composed by Hildegard Von Bingen and feel the difference. Dead Can Dance, that was music for yuppie-ravens, false intellectuals who know nothing about spirituality. Try Albert Ayler instead. This has nothing to do with the Middle Age, but a lot with spirituality and everything with Black Dada Nihilismus. And if you want me to write better, let me do it in French. No, I'm joking. I like to write in English. I like foreigners' accent. I like my clumsy style. And I really love free jazz and improvised music. And I'm no freak, only Belgian. Thanx for reading Christian ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - ------- The Ectophile's Guide to Good Music: http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide/ - ------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with the message: unsubscribe sycophant If you gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of computers, they would all get AOL accounts and send unsub messages to the list address. AOL users please read the instructions six lines up before unsubbing. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 17:24:54 +0100 From: Stian Sandberg Subject: Re: sycophant Oh no, not Lisa Gerrard!!! Heavy opinions about Lisa Gerrard, I've heard that from lots of places.. I kinda like her, especially The Mirror Pool, but I'm no expert on historical music, so it might be true, she might be pretentious.. But I love some of the arrangements they did, try Cantara on the Church-record "Within the Realm of a Dying Sun". Pretentious or not, it IS gorgeous stuff.. But if you're seriously into that musical period, I understand that it can be frustrating if people are conducting "blasphemy" against it.. Like a lot of people think Lisa Gerrard do. My two cents. S - ------- The Ectophile's Guide to Good Music: http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide/ - ------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with the message: unsubscribe sycophant If you gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of computers, they would all get AOL accounts and send unsub messages to the list address. AOL users please read the instructions six lines up before unsubbing. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 17:31:57 +0100 From: kleinemans Subject: Re: sycophant Oh no, not Lisa Gerrard!!! just a funny little story, when i tried to find slide in a small suburbian mall ( crappy cd stores, mind you.. didn't have time/patience to go to amsterdam for it) i kept finding a cd of lisa gerard (with or without someone) and skipping a heartbeat because i thought i finaly found slide, and 0.2 secs later i saw it was the same album i kept finding all along... just because it had the same 'look' as slide, or at least a germano cd. damn. hmm.. i geuss this proves your point a little =/ - ------- The Ectophile's Guide to Good Music: http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide/ - ------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with the message: unsubscribe sycophant If you gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of computers, they would all get AOL accounts and send unsub messages to the list address. AOL users please read the instructions six lines up before unsubbing. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 12:46:34 CST From: "Robert Schiferl" Subject: re: sycophant Oh no, not Lisa Gerrard!!! I intend for this message to be a general reaction to Christian's message, and not a defense of my personal admiration for Lisa Gerrard and Dead Can Dance music. I hope it is taken in that light. (As an aside to Christian, thank you for your insight and musical suggestions. It seems I have some CD shopping to do!!!) I remember when I was younger being exposed to Led Zeppelin by my older siblings. Then I heard Stevie Ray Vaughn and thought Led Zeppelin was a pathetic blues knock-off who stole true blues music. Suddenly I was interested in "real" blues music, but sought out originals of Led Zeppelin covers, reading the liner notes from the Led Zeppelin I and II albums. Suddenly I found Willie Dixon, and I was travelling back in time. But one of the Willie Dixon songs I heard was a cover of a Robert Johnson song of a few decades previous. (At this point we are back to the late 1930s, and we started in the 1970s.) Here's "true blues" I thought, being proud to be a blues purist. Then I discovered a recording from very early in the century that was an interpretation of hollers from 1840s America - slave songs. And what were these but a transformation of tribal music from Africa? What's my point? 1. It's hard to be a "purist" -- what is a "pure" musical style? 2. Music often leads to exploration of other music. I am a Lisa Gerrard fan. It is because I am familiar with and like Lisa Gerrard's music that I have a desire to seek out the music Christian has suggested. I personally consider the Indigo Girls to be pretentious. However, I turned one of my friends (a huge Indigo Girls fan) on to Lisa Germano by pointing out Lisa Germano's name in the liner notes of an Indigo girls CD. Kudos to Lisa Gerrard and Dead Can Dance for exposing some of us to other musical styles, and to Led Zeppelin for exposing me to other "forms" of the blues. One last thought - what is the Lisa Germano tribute but a knock-off of "pure" Lisa? Still, I intend to purchase the tribute. Was anyone on the listserv exposed to Lisa in a "roundabout" way like this? OK, I'll quit rambling. Rob - ---------- Original Text ---------- From: "Christian Boyon" , on 01/10/2000 10:01 AM: To: inet[] Hi every Sycophants, If I may add something to the general opinion about or on (my English grammar is awful too, but look at my name and you understand immediately), so about Lisa Gerrard alone or from Dead Can Dance. I feel some difficulties to write her name, to pronounce it too, 'coz almost every soul I met when I say Lisa Germano, they understand Lisa Gerrard. I'm seriously fed up about that fact. So after that email I shall never talk or write about that pretentious full of hydrogene imitation of real Medieval singers. Try for example everything composed by Hildegard Von Bingen and feel the difference. Dead Can Dance, that was music for yuppie-ravens, false intellectuals who know nothing about spirituality. Try Albert Ayler instead. This has nothing to do with the Middle Age, but a lot with spirituality and everything with Black Dada Nihilismus. And if you want me to write better, let me do it in French. No, I'm joking. I like to write in English. I like foreigners' accent. I like my clumsy style. And I really love free jazz and improvised music. And I'm no freak, only Belgian. Thanx for reading Christian ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - ------- The Ectophile's Guide to Good Music: http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide/ - ------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with the message: unsubscribe sycophant If you gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of computers, they would all get AOL accounts and send unsub messages to the list address. AOL users please read the instructions six lines up before unsubbing. - ------- The Ectophile's Guide to Good Music: http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide/ - ------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with the message: unsubscribe sycophant If you gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of computers, they would all get AOL accounts and send unsub messages to the list address. AOL users please read the instructions six lines up before unsubbing. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 14:28:46 EST From: TRman2323@aol.com Subject: re: sycophant Oh no, not Lisa Gerrard!!! I only heard Dead Can Dance's music once, a few years ago, so I'm really not qualified to comment...but I will anyway! I had the same reaction Christian did. They're good musicians and everything, but it sounds like Medieval/Middle Eastern music pablumized for the popular ear...the same kind of thing Pat Boone did to rock-and-roll in the '50s. If you don't have that reaction to it, hey, enjoy! I have this kind of reaction to a lot of stuff...like in TV shows or movies where the sound track does some kind of sloppy imitation of some kind of regional music to establish the mood, or to cue the viewer that the scene has shifted to Bali or whatever. - ------- The Ectophile's Guide to Good Music: http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide/ - ------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with the message: unsubscribe sycophant If you gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of computers, they would all get AOL accounts and send unsub messages to the list address. AOL users please read the instructions six lines up before unsubbing. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 17:51:39 +0100 From: kleinemans Subject: Re: sycophant the tribute >I'd love to see "Cracklin' Water" in the tribute. >And there are a lot of the "Geek the Girl" album songs still available. >"Trouble", "Geek the Girl", "of love and colours". >Perhaps you could do one of those. oh geek the girl is so great but i don't have acces to a piano. if i'd do something i'd only use my not so great guitar skills to do a quick version of some song, then if it sounds good, great, if it doesn't, bad luck. probably won't find the time anymore though. i have proper recording equipment at home so it'll be a last minute decision. klm - ------- The Ectophile's Guide to Good Music: http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide/ - ------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with the message: unsubscribe sycophant If you gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of computers, they would all get AOL accounts and send unsub messages to the list address. AOL users please read the instructions six lines up before unsubbing. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 13:53:21 -0800 (PST) From: bilbo hicks Subject: re: sycophant Oh no, not Lisa Gerrard!!! I always look in the Lisa Germano section at the record store so whenever there is an album title i don't recognize, i think it's a new Lisa Germano album. After i calm down, i look closer and see it's a Lisa Gerrard album that some dork mixed in by accident. Sighing, i then take the Gerrard albums out of Lisa Germano's section. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com - ------- The Ectophile's Guide to Good Music: http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide/ - ------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with the message: unsubscribe sycophant If you gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of computers, they would all get AOL accounts and send unsub messages to the list address. AOL users please read the instructions six lines up before unsubbing. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 10:27:53 GMT+0930 From: "Roderick Saunders" Subject: Re: sycophant Sound / Album / Amos Re Stian's proposal for a Tori Amos debate - I think musically Tori Amos is a very creative and gifted composer and performer. As far as her lyrics are concerned, coherence can be sacrificed for imagery, and while her words often strike a chord, at other times it's too out there for me (especially on Boys for Pele). But maybe that's part of her appeal for many people. One of the reasons why I prefer Lisa Germano to Tori Amos is because Lisa's lyrics have greater resonance for me. There are likely to be people on this list who love Tori Amos and others who hate her. I'm closer to love than hate, but I'd like to think those at the other end of the spectrum will admit she is too talented to be simply dismissed as 'shit'. If Tori is shit how would we be able to define Alanis, if we wanted to? Rod Saunders - ------- The Ectophile's Guide to Good Music: http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide/ - ------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with the message: unsubscribe sycophant If you gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of computers, they would all get AOL accounts and send unsub messages to the list address. AOL users please read the instructions six lines up before unsubbing. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jan 00 19:17:10 -0000 From: ld Subject: Re: sycophant Sound / Album / Amos >There are likely to be people on this list who love Tori Amos and >others who hate her. I'm closer to love than hate, but I'd like to >think those at the other end of the spectrum will admit she is too >talented to be simply dismissed as 'shit'. If Tori is shit how would >we be able to define Alanis, if we wanted to? that's begging the question, actually. alanis is sort of beneath contempt, of course; but her awfulness has nothing to do with tori's - who i find derivative, pathetic and embarrasing. diamanda galas once said in an interview that she didn't understand why kate bush didn't just sue tori for plagarism - as it was so painfully obvious even to people who weren't experts on the works of either; or why she just didn;t go rip her heart out instead.... - ------- The Ectophile's Guide to Good Music: http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide/ - ------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with the message: unsubscribe sycophant If you gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of computers, they would all get AOL accounts and send unsub messages to the list address. AOL users please read the instructions six lines up before unsubbing. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 20:03:54 -0800 (PST) From: Matt J Subject: Re: sycophant answers? OT - DCD: Brendan vs. Lisa On Sat, 8 Jan 2000, Wolfgang Doppelbock wrote: > Simply put, Brendan Perry uses his voice as a singer, while Lisa Gerrard uses her > voice as an instrument. I completely agree! And I love instrumental music, but I LIVE for songs! :) - ------- The Ectophile's Guide to Good Music: http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide/ - ------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with the message: unsubscribe sycophant If you gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of computers, they would all get AOL accounts and send unsub messages to the list address. AOL users please read the instructions six lines up before unsubbing. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 20:07:48 -0800 (PST) From: Matt J Subject: Re: sycophant Sound / Album / Amos On Mon, 10 Jan 2000, Stian Sandberg wrote: > Plus, I want a discussion on Tori Amos! Is she shit? Naw, she's really talented. The production was too sweet 'n' treacly on a lot of her early stuff, but "Boys For Pele" walked the fine line between brilliantly artistic and ridiculously artsy. "Choirgirl Hotel" was just silly, but the one after that is interesting. My 1.5 cents, --Matthew - ------- The Ectophile's Guide to Good Music: http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide/ - ------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with the message: unsubscribe sycophant If you gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of computers, they would all get AOL accounts and send unsub messages to the list address. AOL users please read the instructions six lines up before unsubbing. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 20:20:01 -0800 (PST) From: Matt J Subject: Re: sycophant Sound / Album / Amos On Tue, 11 Jan 2000, Roderick Saunders wrote: > I think musically Tori Amos is a very creative and gifted composer > and performer. As far as her lyrics are concerned, coherence can > be sacrificed for imagery, and while her words often strike a chord, > at other times it's too out there for me (especially on Boys for > Pele). But maybe that's part of her appeal for many people. She's a magician, I think, and that's why people feel so strongly about her. For me that's a big part of her appeal; the other-worldliness connected to the emotion in her voice and music. > One of the reasons why I prefer Lisa Germano to Tori Amos is > because Lisa's lyrics have greater resonance for me. It's a close call for me, but ultimately what does it for me about Lisa is that she's human, with very human qualities and frailties. - ------- The Ectophile's Guide to Good Music: http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide/ - ------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with the message: unsubscribe sycophant If you gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of computers, they would all get AOL accounts and send unsub messages to the list address. AOL users please read the instructions six lines up before unsubbing. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 20:23:21 -0800 (PST) From: Matt J Subject: Re: sycophant Sound / Album / Amos On Mon, 10 Jan 2000, ld wrote: > that's begging the question, actually. alanis is sort of beneath > contempt, of course; but her awfulness has nothing to do with tori's - > who i find derivative, pathetic and embarrasing. diamanda galas once said > in an interview that she didn't understand why kate bush didn't just sue > tori for plagarism - as it was so painfully obvious even to people who > weren't experts on the works of either; or why she just didn;t go rip her > heart out instead.... Yes, but Diamanda Galas also wrote a prose-poem about raping a music critic with a spiked dildo until he screamed "I LOVE Diamanda! I LOVE Diamanda! She's a BRILLIANT performer! She's a BRILLIANT performer!" I think I had a point, but I've forgotten what it is. Except that I LOVE Diamanda! I LOVE Diamanda! I think I'm going to go listen to "Vena Cava" and cry myself to sleep now. - ------- The Ectophile's Guide to Good Music: http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide/ - ------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with the message: unsubscribe sycophant If you gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of computers, they would all get AOL accounts and send unsub messages to the list address. AOL users please read the instructions six lines up before unsubbing. ------------------------------ End of sycophant-digest V5 #3 ***************************** ======================================================================== Please send any questions or comments about the list to sycophant-owner@smoe.org