From: owner-sycophant-digest@smoe.org (sycophant-digest) To: sycophant-digest@smoe.org Subject: sycophant-digest V4 #159 Reply-To: sycophant@smoe.org Sender: owner-sycophant-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-sycophant-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk sycophant-digest Thursday, December 9 1999 Volume 04 : Number 159 Today's Subjects: ----------------- sycophant guessing game...guessing...guessing [Joe_Horne@matrixresources.] Re: sycophant guessing game...guessing...guessing ["Stian Sandberg" Subject: Re: sycophant guessing game...guessing...guessing he once said he'd get back to me (among others i suppose) about the sleeve etc., but i haven't heard anything. no news on the list either.. i think the last piece of music has been sent to him, so if everything's okay with reid, i guess it'll be ready soon.. am i being naive? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - ------- The Ectophile's Guide to Good Music: http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide/ - ------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with the message: unsubscribe sycophant If you gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of computers, they would all get AOL accounts and send unsub messages to the list address. AOL users please read the instructions six lines up before unsubbing. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 11:13:12 EST From: TRman2323@aol.com Subject: sycophant Tribute album? Forgive me, I joined this list a little late. What is the tribute album? If someone would be kind enough to bring me up to speed I would be very grateful. - ------- The Ectophile's Guide to Good Music: http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide/ - ------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with the message: unsubscribe sycophant If you gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of computers, they would all get AOL accounts and send unsub messages to the list address. AOL users please read the instructions six lines up before unsubbing. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Dec 1999 16:38:57 GMT From: "Stian Sandberg" Subject: Re: sycophant Tribute album? Clever minds on this list (don't remember names, sorry) came up with the idea. Sycophant-musicians recorded their own versions of some of Lisa's songs, and they were supposed to be compiled on one cd by Reid McDonald, but he hasn't made noise for a while. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - ------- The Ectophile's Guide to Good Music: http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide/ - ------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with the message: unsubscribe sycophant If you gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of computers, they would all get AOL accounts and send unsub messages to the list address. AOL users please read the instructions six lines up before unsubbing. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 12:10:47 EST From: TRman2323@aol.com Subject: Re: sycophant Tribute album? >Sycophant-musicians recorded their own versions of some of Lisa's songs Wow, that's brave! I'm a musician, and I love her songs, but I don't think I could do justice to any of them...partly, of course, because I'm a man and most of them are very much a woman's point of view (even if you changed the pronoun genders). I guess a man could sing "Sycophant", but can you imagine "Cowboy"? Even if you made it "Cowgirl"? Maybe a gay guy could pull off some of her songs, but even then I doubt it. Come to think of it, it might be tough for most women, because the songs are so personal. It would be interesting to hear others interpretations anyway. I'll definitely buy one of these CDs if it ever comes out. - --Tom - ------- The Ectophile's Guide to Good Music: http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide/ - ------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with the message: unsubscribe sycophant If you gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of computers, they would all get AOL accounts and send unsub messages to the list address. AOL users please read the instructions six lines up before unsubbing. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Dec 1999 12:16:15 -0500 From: nevermor@mhonline.net Subject: Re: sycophant guessing game...guessing...guessing I have the same story you do, Stian.. Still wondering whats going on.... Darrell Stian Sandberg wrote: > he once said he'd get back to me (among others i suppose) about the sleeve > etc., but i haven't heard anything. no news on the list either.. i think > the last piece of music has been sent to him, so if everything's okay with > reid, i guess it'll be ready soon.. > > am i being naive? > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > ------- > The Ectophile's Guide to Good Music: http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide/ > ------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with the message: > unsubscribe sycophant > > If you gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of computers, > they would all get AOL accounts and send unsub messages to the list > address. AOL users please read the instructions six lines up before > unsubbing. - ------- The Ectophile's Guide to Good Music: http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide/ - ------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with the message: unsubscribe sycophant If you gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of computers, they would all get AOL accounts and send unsub messages to the list address. AOL users please read the instructions six lines up before unsubbing. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Dec 99 13:04:24 -0000 From: ld Subject: sycophant "personal" does not equal "autobiographical" >Wow, that's brave! I'm a musician, and I love her songs, but I don't think >I could do justice to any of them...partly, of course, because I'm a man >and most of them are very much a woman's point of view (even if you >changed the pronoun genders). I guess a man could sing "Sycophant", but >can you imagine "Cowboy"? Even if you made it "Cowgirl"? Maybe a gay guy >could pull off some of her songs, but even then I doubt it. Come to think >of it, it might be tough for most women, because the songs are so personal. people have been singing songs with "incorrect" pronouns for centuries. i can;t imagine why people think this is an issue unless they're so entrenched in singer/songwriter confessional mode that they can;t conceptualize someone singing a song unless it's autobiographical! and what's "a woman's point of view," anyway!?!?!? granted, they;re personal, but i suspect that ms. germano, like most songwriters, merely uses personal experience as a source for her songs, then takes that and makes art out of it. it;s a song, for goodness sakes! not a chapter in her diary. i;m a gay man (who, incidentally, doesn;t in any way feel like a woman or view myself as a woman) and some of the songs i write are about boys, some are about girls, and many are sex-neutral. while there are all kinds of shades of meaning inherent in a man (of whatever sexual orientation) singing supposedly addressed to a man by a women, it;s still just a performance - not a biography. usually when i write a song that deals with a sexual or romantic situation i sort of invent the character who performs the song (in my head, at least) so i'll have something to perform other than just words and notes. it's called subtext. so, most of my songs are really sad and emotional, and people are forever coming up to me after shows or having heard the recordings and saying "gee, i hope you;re okay!" which is sweet and all, but a little weird. because while some of the things i write and sing about have happened to me, it doesn;t mean they all did. or even when they did that i'm recounting the events verbatim! and yes, i totally believe in sincerity and honesty - but has eveyone forgotten the notion of invention or imagination or fantasy or whatever? it;s not like tolstoy was ever hit by a train, that mary shelly ever dug up a corpse, right? . anyway, flare does LOVESICK for the compilation. and the only gender-based line is the first one: " 'you;re not my yoko ono' - he said those words to me." but big deal - being lovesick (especially in the context of this song, which has as much to do with self-esteem as it does anything else) is not something only women experience. neither is being rejected, or being obsessive, or drunk or pathetic... or any of the other things ms. germano has written about. haven;t we all experienced most of this stuff? and isn;t that why we like her. or the smiths, or joy division, or the magnetic fields or anyone else who makes intensely "personal" - by which i mean emotional, not merely autobiographical -- work? good art/music/whatever always has some sort of universality to it that transcends gender, race, age, whatever... or else it become propaganda or worse. *good is good,* and shouldn;t be compartmentalized as women's music or gay art or black fiction or any of that ghettoized crap. like the photographer lisette model said of her own work (documentary photography in the 30s-50s): the more specific it is, the more general it is. anyway, enough of my soapboxing -- cheers, LD Beghtol - ------- The Ectophile's Guide to Good Music: http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide/ - ------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with the message: unsubscribe sycophant If you gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of computers, they would all get AOL accounts and send unsub messages to the list address. 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