From: owner-sycophant-digest@smoe.org (sycophant-digest) To: sycophant-digest@smoe.org Subject: sycophant-digest V4 #75 Reply-To: sycophant@smoe.org Sender: owner-sycophant-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-sycophant-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk sycophant-digest Thursday, June 24 1999 Volume 04 : Number 075 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: sycophant the end...of record companies? [MAustin802@aol.com] Re: sycophant the end...of record companies? [Stian Sandberg ] RE: sycophant now i'm confused.... ["Fleming, Dennis" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 08:35:22 EDT From: MAustin802@aol.com Subject: Re: sycophant the end...of record companies? In a message dated 6/23/99 2:19:48 AM Central Daylight Time, friday@apocalypse.org writes: << let's not and say we did, it'd be campy. RABID INTERNET FANS FORCE LISA GERMANO TO RECORD >> Gee does this sound familiar does anyone remember Stephen kings MISERY. Hmmm. This could be a natural sequel. also people had mentioned that Lisa could go the whole self produced self released route ala Kristen Hersh. two other artists doing this with Internet only (mail-order only) releases are Jarboe (ex-swans) and Victoria Williams and Mark olson (ex-jayhawks) doing great stuff that will never be released to the general mall shopping troglidite. (apologizes to any and all trogs out there) It simply may be that after having such a difficult relationship with a label that just didn't understand you, she may just need some distance. but my understanding right now, is that everyone is having problems with anyone who is a "major" label (4AD just ain't a small label anymore) This is THE time for really good low selling groups and musicians to go to small indie labels for the attention they deserve. People are getting dropped left and right and getting picked as quickly. This is probably just Lisa having a well deserved and needed time out. When she's ready she'll be back. It's called faith. Michael, the stone. - ------- The Ectophile's Guide to Good Music: http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide/ - ------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with the message: unsubscribe sycophant If you gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of computers, they would all get AOL accounts and send unsub messages to the list address. AOL users please read the instructions six lines up before unsubbing. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 12:48:01 GMT From: Stian Sandberg Subject: Re: sycophant the end...of record companies? I'm very sorry about going on and on about this, I'm sure lots of you just want to "put it behind" and go on, but I thought Lisa was happy with her label (?). She's always said in interviews that she felt "free" enough to do her own thing on 4AD, that they would advise her on certain parts, or even disagree with her, but always let her have the last say. To be honest (even if I have been trashing it a bit lately), I think 4AD is a very nice label to work for, but of course I don't know. And you know, when they never talk, I can just assume that everything's alright! :o) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - ------- The Ectophile's Guide to Good Music: http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide/ - ------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with the message: unsubscribe sycophant If you gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of computers, they would all get AOL accounts and send unsub messages to the list address. AOL users please read the instructions six lines up before unsubbing. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 10:17:00 -0400 From: "Fleming, Dennis" Subject: RE: sycophant the end...of record companies? I LIKE being creepy... > -----Original Message----- > From: Famous Goodbye King [SMTP:friday@apocalypse.org] > Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 1999 3:18 AM > To: sycophant@smoe.org > Subject: Re: sycophant the end...of record companies? > > > force her. Or we could, but it'd be really, really creepy. > > let's not and say we did, it'd be campy. > RABID INTERNET FANS FORCE LISA GERMANO TO RECORD > > or maybe not. > reid > > > > ------- > The Ectophile's Guide to Good Music: http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide/ > ------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with the message: > unsubscribe sycophant > > If you gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of computers, > they would all get AOL accounts and send unsub messages to the list > address. AOL users please read the instructions six lines up before > unsubbing. - ------- The Ectophile's Guide to Good Music: http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide/ - ------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with the message: unsubscribe sycophant If you gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of computers, they would all get AOL accounts and send unsub messages to the list address. AOL users please read the instructions six lines up before unsubbing. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 07:38:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Meredith LaSage Subject: Re: sycophant the end...of record companies? On Wed, 23 Jun 1999, Stian Sandberg wrote: > I'm very sorry about going on and on about this, I'm sure lots of you just > want to "put it behind" and go on, but I thought Lisa was happy with her > label (?). She's always said in interviews that she felt "free" enough to > do her own thing on 4AD, that they would advise her on certain parts, or > even disagree with her, but always let her have the last say. > Maybe 4AD changed after the time of those interviews. - ------- The Ectophile's Guide to Good Music: http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide/ - ------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with the message: unsubscribe sycophant If you gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of computers, they would all get AOL accounts and send unsub messages to the list address. AOL users please read the instructions six lines up before unsubbing. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 11:30:59 -0600 (CST) From: zqc53@TTACS.TTU.EDU Subject: sycophant now i'm confused.... Is lisa leaving the music biz because she has no more label, or is she leaving the biz because of personal dissatifaction with the industry, or is she leaving because she feels that she just isn't good enough to do it? (i know that sounds like a slam on lisa but it's not) or is it a combo of the three? from what I have gathered, she just doesn't want to make music anymore. I mean, if she needed a label, why wouldn't she just got o Kotch or Alligator/Watermelon? I don't think that not having a label is the issue, IMHO. - ------- The Ectophile's Guide to Good Music: http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide/ - ------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with the message: unsubscribe sycophant If you gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of computers, they would all get AOL accounts and send unsub messages to the list address. AOL users please read the instructions six lines up before unsubbing. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 13:14:47 -0400 From: "Fleming, Dennis" Subject: RE: sycophant now i'm confused.... I'm glad to come back from lunch to see that somebody has mentioned this...I just stopped by my local Barnes & Noble on my lunch break, and while browsing the music department, I came across a 1999 KOCH Records re-issue of Moon Palace that I hadn't even heard existed. Of course, I snapped it up - so now I have a copy I can keep in my car, and I can put my other copy ( the one it took me a year-and-a-half to find, and which I got Lisa to autograph the CD booklet of on her recent tour with the Latin Playboys when they came through Philadelphia ) in a safer place. Needless to say, I took the fact that such an old and obscure ( to non-Lisaphiles, anyway ) album had been re-released as a good omen, so now I am left with two questions... 1) Does anybody have any info/insight on her maybe relationship with KOCH...? I've never heard of them before I found this... 2) Should I feel dirty for hoarding two copies of such a fantastic album...? > -----Original Message----- > From: zqc53@TTACS.TTU.EDU [SMTP:zqc53@TTACS.TTU.EDU] > Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 1999 1:31 PM > To: sycophant@smoe.org > Subject: sycophant now i'm confused.... > > > Is lisa leaving the music biz because she has no more label, or is she > leaving the biz because of personal dissatifaction with the industry, or > is she leaving because she feels that she just isn't good enough to do it? > (i know that sounds like a slam on lisa but it's not) > > or is it a combo of the three? from what I have gathered, she just > doesn't want to make music anymore. I mean, if she needed a label, why > wouldn't she just got o Kotch or Alligator/Watermelon? I don't think that > not having a label is the issue, IMHO. > > > > > > > ------- > The Ectophile's Guide to Good Music: http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide/ > ------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with the message: > unsubscribe sycophant > > If you gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of computers, > they would all get AOL accounts and send unsub messages to the list > address. AOL users please read the instructions six lines up before > unsubbing. - ------- The Ectophile's Guide to Good Music: http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide/ - ------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with the message: unsubscribe sycophant If you gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of computers, they would all get AOL accounts and send unsub messages to the list address. AOL users please read the instructions six lines up before unsubbing. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 12:21:23 -0600 (CST) From: zqc53@TTACS.TTU.EDU Subject: RE: sycophant now i'm confused.... KOCH is a reissue label, with a great deal of Folk/Blues/ROots music, i believe, not unlike Watermelon or Alligator - ------- The Ectophile's Guide to Good Music: http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide/ - ------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with the message: unsubscribe sycophant If you gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of computers, they would all get AOL accounts and send unsub messages to the list address. AOL users please read the instructions six lines up before unsubbing. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 10:25:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Clough Subject: RE: sycophant now i'm confused.... > 1) Does anybody have any info/insight on her maybe > relationship with > KOCH...? I've never heard of them before I found > this... Koch specialized in re-issues like this one. Which bring me to point two below... > 2) Should I feel dirty for hoarding two copies of > such a fantastic album...? No, you should tell anyone and everyone who might remotely want this album to go buy it so they (Koch) will continue to re-release great music and support people like Lisa. Hell, buy one as a Christmas gift. They shouldn't be too hard to find, as far as I know they have decent distribution. Just a thought, - -Chris > > -----Original Message----- > > From: zqc53@TTACS.TTU.EDU > [SMTP:zqc53@TTACS.TTU.EDU] > > Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 1999 1:31 PM > > To: sycophant@smoe.org > > Subject: sycophant now i'm confused.... > > > > > > Is lisa leaving the music biz because she has no > more label, or is she > > leaving the biz because of personal dissatifaction > with the industry, or > > is she leaving because she feels that she just > isn't good enough to do it? > > (i know that sounds like a slam on lisa but it's > not) > > > > or is it a combo of the three? from what I have > gathered, she just > > doesn't want to make music anymore. I mean, if > she needed a label, why > > wouldn't she just got o Kotch or > Alligator/Watermelon? I don't think that > > not having a label is the issue, IMHO. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------- > > The Ectophile's Guide to Good Music: > http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide/ > > ------- > > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with the > message: > > unsubscribe sycophant > > > > If you gave an infinite number of monkeys an > infinite number of computers, > > they would all get AOL accounts and send unsub > messages to the list > > address. AOL users please read the instructions > six lines up before > > unsubbing. > > > > ------- > The Ectophile's Guide to Good Music: > http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide/ > ------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with the message: > unsubscribe sycophant > > If you gave an infinite number of monkeys an > infinite number of computers, > they would all get AOL accounts and send unsub > messages to the list > address. AOL users please read the instructions six > lines up before > unsubbing. > > === "If money talks I've pursed lips and I've left my tongue at home" - -The Trash Can Sinatras _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - ------- The Ectophile's Guide to Good Music: http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide/ - ------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with the message: unsubscribe sycophant If you gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of computers, they would all get AOL accounts and send unsub messages to the list address. AOL users please read the instructions six lines up before unsubbing. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 13:26:18 -0400 From: "Fleming, Dennis" Subject: RE: sycophant now i'm confused.... Ahhh...so then it's unlikely that we're going to see anything else Lisa come from them, unless it's Geek or Happiness...? Oh well... > -----Original Message----- > From: zqc53@TTACS.TTU.EDU [SMTP:zqc53@TTACS.TTU.EDU] > Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 1999 2:21 PM > To: 'sycophant@smoe.org' > Subject: RE: sycophant now i'm confused.... > > > KOCH is a reissue label, with a great deal of Folk/Blues/ROots music, i > believe, not unlike Watermelon or Alligator > > > > > ------- > The Ectophile's Guide to Good Music: http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide/ > ------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with the message: > unsubscribe sycophant > > If you gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of computers, > they would all get AOL accounts and send unsub messages to the list > address. AOL users please read the instructions six lines up before > unsubbing. - ------- The Ectophile's Guide to Good Music: http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide/ - ------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with the message: unsubscribe sycophant If you gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of computers, they would all get AOL accounts and send unsub messages to the list address. AOL users please read the instructions six lines up before unsubbing. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 21:10:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt J Subject: Re: sycophant now i'm confused.... On Wed, 23 Jun 1999 zqc53@ttacs.ttu.edu wrote: > > Is lisa leaving the music biz because she has no more label, or is she > leaving the biz because of personal dissatifaction with the industry, or > is she leaving because she feels that she just isn't good enough to do it? > (i know that sounds like a slam on lisa but it's not) > > or is it a combo of the three? from what I have gathered, she just > doesn't want to make music anymore. I mean, if she needed a label, why > wouldn't she just got o Kotch or Alligator/Watermelon? I don't think that > not having a label is the issue, IMHO. At the risk of over-simplifying, what she told me when I interviewed her in the fall was something along the lines of being really content with her life and stuff and unwilling to stoop to the level of writing songs that go "It's such a pretty daaaaay..." --Matt J - ------- The Ectophile's Guide to Good Music: http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide/ - ------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with the message: unsubscribe sycophant If you gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of computers, they would all get AOL accounts and send unsub messages to the list address. AOL users please read the instructions six lines up before unsubbing. ------------------------------ End of sycophant-digest V4 #75 ****************************** ======================================================================== Please send any questions or comments about the list to sycophant-owner@smoe.org