From: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org (support-system-digest) To: support-system-digest@smoe.org Subject: support-system-digest V7 #188 Reply-To: support-system@smoe.org Sender: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk support-system-digest Wednesday, December 15 2004 Volume 07 : Number 188 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [support-system] ...and dining! + new old pics and a new old performance video ["over pavema" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 05:08:01 +0000 From: "over pavema" Subject: [support-system] ...and dining! + new old pics and a new old performance video jim wrote: >James, > >A truly engaging story. I see why you're a writer. I can sum up my lack of >participation in the list in just a few observations: > >I joined this list when I "rediscovered" Liz a year ago. I used to listen >to >her earlier stuff occasionally. Mostly with my then-girlfriend. I'm more of >a speed-metal kinda guy. (Slayer, Slipknot, Hatebreed etc.) When I joined, >I >expected to get (and did) Liz news, anecdotes and the like. With that, I >was >pleased. What I tired of very quickly was defending her new album to those >on the list who didn't like it. As far as I'm concerned, if they don't like >it, don't fucking listen to it. I like it, and it's not my job to change >their opinion. It's like asking someone what their favorite season is, then >trying to change their mind. It's fruitless...and I'm tired of hearing them >whine. Take the disc outside and perform some sort of yuppie-stylized >burning ritual on it if you like. I don't care. And I mean that. > >And if Liz suggests that her old fans should just "move on", I'll bet that >she doesn't care either. > >Peace, >Jim > By strange coincidence, the word of the day on the word of the day website at wordaday.com was 'whine'. So, it seemed like a sign or something that I should share it with the list. Main Entry: whine Pronunciation: 'hwIn, 'wIn Function: verb Inflected Form(s): whined; whin7ing Etymology: Middle English, from Old English hwInan to whiz; akin to Old Norse hvIna to whiz intransitive senses 1 a : to utter a high-pitched plaintive or distressed cry b : to make a sound similar to such a cry 2 : to complain with or as if with a whine 3 : to move or proceed with the sound of a whine transitive senses : to utter or express with or as if with a whine - - whin7er noun for what it's worth, i think there is something fishy about that definition, but i'm sure the linguists and etymologists at wordoday know this stuff better than i do [insert shrug here]. on another topic entirely, i'm not sure if ken has included this link on his site or not, but there are a lot of liz concert shots at, where else? http://concertshots.com/contents-photos.htm. probably 50 or 60 shots total. four different shows, plus one sound check. they're all the same photo, really, but in some of them the outfit is different. and a 37-minute video of a radio performance can be found at http://acousticwood.net/Archive.html. they also have dandy warhols and cat power vids at the site. o tannenbaum ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 05:35:46 +0000 From: "over pavema" Subject: [support-system] Re: 2004 faves i'll confess right up front that i don't have many new 2004 titles on here. this was a bit of a catch-up year, finding new (to me) acts to listen to. and, to be fair, several of the names on my list below are only on here, were only searched out, bought, and listened to because people on this list piped in and told the list how great they were. so, thanks for that. and, yes, i know that many of the titles on my list was released well before 2004. - - Allison Moorer - The Duel - - Cat Power - you are free (this is brilliant stuff. and her cover of the velvet underground's 'I Found a Reason', which was featured in 'the secret lives of dentists', is incredible, as in i can't believe she pulled that off) - - pavement - slanted & enchanted deluxe and redux (i prefer crooked rain crooked rain, but this is the better re-release, with the live tracks. the 'slow century' DVD is something you must have.) - - elliott smith - XO - - dandy warhols - come down (the only one of their's that i have. i saw several rock documentaries this year, and Dig! was the best of the batch. does anyone know if the brian jonestown massacre albums are worth searching out? i can't find them very easily, but wonder if they are this good.) - - steve earle - the revolution starts now - - juliana hatfield - in exile deo - - u2 - how to dismantle an atomic bomb - - gbv - half-smiles of the decomposed. RIP. - - mary lou lord - baby blue MIA: foo fighters, sleater-kinney best concert: evan dando or juliana hatfield or mary lou lord or evan dando again at iota. r.e.m. at constitution hall. aimee mann at 930. and i should mention the liz phair show in park city utah at the 2004 sundance festival. i slept through it, but i'm sure it was a cool show, right out on main street. music movies: - - Dig! - - Festival Express - - End of the Century - - Metallica - - Brian Wilson 'Smile' also wanted to mention mirande lee richards, martin newell, r. stevie moore, and daniel johnston as people you should check out at www.allmusic.com. o ------------------------------ End of support-system-digest V7 #188 ************************************