From: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org (support-system-digest) To: support-system-digest@smoe.org Subject: support-system-digest V6 #329 Reply-To: support-system@smoe.org Sender: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk support-system-digest Friday, December 12 2003 Volume 06 : Number 329 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [support-system] copolla questions ["Norman Davis" ] [support-system] Liz's year in England ["Paul Spinks" ] Re: [support-system] Liz's year in England ["Jim" ] [support-system] TOP 10 [SHERLY McLACHLAN ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 00:18:57 -0700 From: "Norman Davis" Subject: [support-system] copolla questions is the title song of the sitcom Liz did available on CD? does she ever do it live? is the video on the dvd "how to deal" the same one on tv? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 11:00:04 -0500 From: Dan MacDonald Subject: [support-system] top ten for 2003 god bless whoever broke down and started the top 10 thread. 10. All Girl Summer Fun Band - Summer of '98 EP - - one of the most intriguing summers of my life, music that makes me smile. 9. Her Space Holiday - The Young Machines - - changed the way i look at music and spawned a billion new favorite bands 8. Bettie Serveert - Log 22 - - i did not expect the album to be this good - but it floored me. pure and total fun. 7. Dressy Bessy - Dressy Bessy - - always a sugar-coated pleasure, but for the first time i actually took them completely seriously. they reminded me of the Breeders on certain tracks, yet still remained original - and I couldn't think of a better compliment. 6. Peaches - Fatherfucker - - the iggy pop duet was disappointing, but as a whole - i love this album. 5. David Bowie - Reality - - holy shit. i did not know he still had these kinds of songs in him. in my opinion, this is his most powerful and creative album since his OUTSIDE album. 4. The Gossip - Movement - - probably one of the most perfect collection of songs i've heard this year. short, simple, dirty - pure blues rock punk. this was the album i think they were always trying to make. 3. The Bangles - Doll Revolution - - it surpassed my expectations. the single sucked - but the rest of the album was exactly what i had hoped for. it was well worth the fifteen year wait. and yes, i was on the edge of my seat the entire time. 2. Kristin Hersh - The Grotto - - simplicity is beautiful 1. Grandaddy - SUMDAY This album blew me away. it was just one of those instances where the music was catchier, the production was SOOO complete and perfect and the lyrics were EXACTLY what i was thinking - so much so it was frightening. i haven't connected with an album like this in years. this album was my TITLE TK of this year. it hardly - if ever - left my CD player. i got the chance to see the band this summer - again - fantastic live. sad and lonely, space-country rock and roll that touches down on subjects like factory work, corporate perks, dissastisfaction and lonely robots. Close runner ups: Cat Power - You are Free, Liz Phair - Liz Phair, Blur - Think Tank, Yeah Yeah Yeahs - Fever to Tell, Some Girls - Feel It, Rufus Wainwright - Want (one), Owl and the Pussycat - (self titled) The "YOU SUCK IN 2003" Awards: Lil Kim - Bella Mafia Radiohead - Hail to the Thief Hawksley Workman - Lover/Fighter ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 18:29:44 -0000 From: "Paul Spinks" Subject: [support-system] Liz's year in England I've just discovered that Liz (age 7) lived for a year in my home town (Sheffield, England) while her father was on sabbatical at the University's Medical Faculty. This lends support to the Six Degrees of Separation Theory (also the theory that there is a special ingredient in the Sheffield water supply). Can anyone tell me more about Liz's time on this side of the pond? The article said she acquired an English accent, but I find that slightly implausible and I can't hear it myself. Do Americans detect English influence in her speech? I don't remember any strange American girls from that period of my life (I don't remember ANY girls, for that matter), but it's weird to think Liz may have lived in the next street. The location of the Uni and the affluent suburbs mean the Phair family probably lived in the SW of the city, which is the area where I grew up. Now I'll have something to ask Liz about at the end of her next UK concert. I wonder how much she remembers of Sheffield (nothing good, probably). Paul ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 18:29:46 -0000 From: "Paul Spinks" Subject: [support-system] RE: Little Digger again > bmad wrote: > > Of course you're right; when i referenced "everyone" i definitely > meant most, or even "many" people. but don't split hairs, it > was just a little hyperbole Yes, sorry, I meant to add :-) somewhere in that paragraph. > there is still a big difference > between even "most people" and "people who are parents." that's > missing my entire point. > furthermore, i think it's slightly irritating, and somewhat > typical of people who have children, to assume that they are, > yknow... "most people," or, rather, "the most important people." I meant "most people will eventually be in our situation" (statistical fact, not opinion). We're just a little further along in what Liz called "the long line of life" in some interview or other. Our perspective is inevitably different, but I don't claim our views have greater validity. > my real point was that most good songs don't discriminate along > lines like that. sure, not everyone is going to like any song, > but good songs aren't for paraplegics only, or gays only, or > hookers or redheads or stupid people or etc etc etc.... they > should be gettable across all -- sorry, most-- arbitrary > demographic lines. > i probably would like little digger, regardless of lyrics, if i > thought it was an interesting song. i don't, especially I agree (more or less) with the "good song" criterion, I'm just mystified that LD does not make the grade. I'm not American, but I can connect with "Born in the USA". I'm not black, but songs about being discriminated against don't leave me cold. I've never been poor, but songs about deprivation touch me. So how come, I'm asking myself, that non-parents don't find LD interesting or worthy - it works for us, it should work for you (plural), dammit. But for some reason it doesn't, and I'm puzzled why. > although it's certainly not the worst song on the album. but at > that point, it's just a matter of taste, right? anyone who likes > it can be my guest... i'm just trying to keep the conversation rollin. Ditto those sentiments > xoxo > bennett all the best Paul ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 14:17:21 -0500 (EST) From: Stephen Griffes Subject: [support-system] off topic: moorer thanks for posting that article. hell yes. i can't believe she's on sugar hill now! that is brilliant. i heard new songs at the last show i saw (it was an acoustic show and totally phenomenal), and there were a bunch of clever "fuck nashville" songs. The Duel should shitkick some ass! I must say, this is the record i'm looking forward to most in the new year. steve ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 17:49:14 -0500 From: "Jim" Subject: Re: [support-system] Liz's year in England Paul, Well, that's damn interesting! To answer your question: No, I don't detect and UK accent in Liz's speech. I do detect a little "Chicago" though. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Spinks To: Support-System@Smoe. Org Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 1:29 PM Subject: [support-system] Liz's year in England I've just discovered that Liz (age 7) lived for a year in my home town (Sheffield, England) while her father was on sabbatical at the University's Medical Faculty. This lends support to the Six Degrees of Separation Theory (also the theory that there is a special ingredient in the Sheffield water supply). Can anyone tell me more about Liz's time on this side of the pond? The article said she acquired an English accent, but I find that slightly implausible and I can't hear it myself. Do Americans detect English influence in her speech? I don't remember any strange American girls from that period of my life (I don't remember ANY girls, for that matter), but it's weird to think Liz may have lived in the next street. The location of the Uni and the affluent suburbs mean the Phair family probably lived in the SW of the city, which is the area where I grew up. Now I'll have something to ask Liz about at the end of her next UK concert. I wonder how much she remembers of Sheffield (nothing good, probably). Paul ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 20:14:41 -0800 (PST) From: SHERLY McLACHLAN Subject: [support-system] TOP 10 Hey All, I don't have a top ten but a few that would make it for me are, Liz Phair - The EP (the version someone gave me has a few extras on it) Aimee Mann - (special edition, live shit) Lost In Space White Stripes - Elephant Sarah Mclachlan - Afterglow Some Girls - Feel it Looking forward to 2004 releases from Veruca Salt, Nina Gordon, Fiona Apple, Julianna Hatfield, Courtney Love, L7, Heart and others I hope. Lor New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing ------------------------------ End of support-system-digest V6 #329 ************************************