From: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org (support-system-digest) To: support-system-digest@smoe.org Subject: support-system-digest V6 #327 Reply-To: support-system@smoe.org Sender: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk support-system-digest Wednesday, December 10 2003 Volume 06 : Number 327 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [support-system] Liz in Chicago 12/6 ["jz" ] [support-system] Liz on Nickelodeon ["J. Alan Doak" ] [support-system] RE: Anything positive ["Paul Spinks" Subject: [support-system] Liz in Chicago 12/6 So, I managed to score a 6th row seat to the Miracle on State Street benefit show at the Chicago Theater this past Saturday night for $30. "Not bad," I thought to see Liz. I had absolutely no desire to see Jason Mraz who actually opened or the Bare Naked Ladies who headlined. I get to my seat and catch Mraz's last 3 songs. What's with the frickin hat? Did not like the guy at all, but many shrieking girls did. Go figure. Next up Liz. With her band's equipment set up and ready to go, the lights go down and out comes the 101.9 DJ to introduce Liz. Imagine my surprise when he says she has laryngitis and should be in bed when she comes out and attempts to talk. She apologized for not doing her complete set and says she'll do an old favorite and a seasonal tune. I thought she was kidding. She did "Divorce Song" and urged everyone to sing along. Then called out Mraz who by now was wearing a santa hat underneath his f*cking redneck cap and they did "Winter Wonderland." 2 songs and she was off the stage. Liz over and out. needless to say that was extremely disappointing. It was interesting to see the confused looks on people's faces after the house lights came up. It appeared a healthy amount of people walked out. I debated doing it - even put on my coat - but decided to see BNL (I'm a tourist - don't know anything other than the singles). I have to say, they were highly entertaining. I swear to God I suspected they were going to launch into "Do They Know It's Christmas in the encore - and, sure enough they did - sounded solid. Overall a disappointing Liz performance - but, hey what can you do - she can't sing and she shouldn't pull a Julie Andrews. But BNL saved the night for me anyway. JZ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 06:26:58 -0800 (PST) From: "J. Alan Doak" Subject: [support-system] Liz on Nickelodeon I don't know if someone has posted this yet--I'm behind on my e-mail reading--but "Why Can't I?" is being featured at some point on Nick Video Picks (NVP) where teens look at a bunch of videos and pick their favorite. I don't know how Liz phaired or is phairing, because I saw the commercial last night and right now the site won't load completely for me. Hilary Duff is the only choice I have right now. To check it out you have to register (for free): http://www.nick.com/music/nick_video/index.jhtml Imagine my suprise when Liz showed up on a kid's channel. The first thing I thought when I saw that was, I can't believe they are marketing an album with HWC directly to young teens and children. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 14:41:49 -0000 From: "Paul Spinks" Subject: [support-system] RE: Anything positive > Jeremy Rea supplied balance to the thread "Anything positive": > "Little Digger" is a Hallmark card. It's a lazy, cloying, and mawkish. In > lieu of saying anything remarkable, or even particularly interesting, she > (or whoever assembled the song) took the biggest, fattest swipe at one of > the biggest fattest feel-good subjects. "Feel-good"? First metaphor, now irony. Paul ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 14:41:52 -0000 From: "Paul Spinks" Subject: [support-system] Little Digger again > bmad wrote: > > i think that the argument that you have to be a parent to enjoy > Little Digger is interesting. it might, in some respects, be > true. i also think that's why i think it's a mediocre song. > [...] > i'm not convinced that i would like Little Digger that much > better if i had kids, but if that is the case, it still doesn't > redeem the song in any way for me. i think that if a song is > really working, the point should be that it reveals something > unkown to everyone, instead of reinforcing the pre-existing > feelings of certain initiated people (in this case, parents) and > leaving everyone else in the dark. Aren't you setting the bar a little high? Perhaps a good song could reveal something unknown to "most people" rather than to "everyone"? (BTW, I'm glad you hold open the possibility that parenthood may yet change your perspective - "most people" will, at some point, become parents). The thought that LD leaves you and others "in the dark" I find really frustrating. I can't defend LD to anyone who thinks that strange metaphors, weird chords and odd structures are essential elements of a good Liz song, except by saying that if you appreciate the deep significance of the lyrics, the simplicity of the other elements is irrelevant. I think the other elements are deliberately simple (not simplistic) and the package works for me. OTOH, I suspect that if you don't appreciate the lyrics, the other elements cannot save this song. So it all seems to hang on the lyrics, and I remain genuinely surprised that they are not widely understood. Perhaps I should be asking you - and/or others who dislike LD - what *DO* you think this song is about? No marks will be given for answers along the lines of "a mother explaining herself to her child" - that's the obvious answer. I think there are more interesting angles. BTW, thanks for the offline explanation of the American term "Redbook". Now I can say with confidence that the comment "What is this, Redbook? Of *course* he's gonna understand, someday..." is wrong - "someday" is a long way off, maybe never, and understanding is not the same as forgiving. Paul ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 10:16:49 -0600 From: "sandra" Subject: [support-system] i wanna play xbox on your floor anyone catch that xbox ad featuring liz? it's in the latest rolling stone -- the year-end issue. somewhere around the month of july. sandra ------------------------------ End of support-system-digest V6 #327 ************************************