From: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org (support-system-digest) To: support-system-digest@smoe.org Subject: support-system-digest V6 #312 Reply-To: support-system@smoe.org Sender: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk support-system-digest Tuesday, November 25 2003 Volume 06 : Number 312 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [support-system] another Liz interview... [Kenneth Lee ] [support-system] the death of music [Dan MacDonald Subject: [support-system] another Liz interview... Hi folks, I think I asked Liz a few interesting questions. See her responses at Mesmerizing! Read, and then discuss... - -Ken kenmlee@ix.netcom.com MeSmErIzInG - AnOtHeR LiZ PhAiR WeBsItE http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Club/2471/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 10:37:13 -0500 From: "Michael Kaufmann" Subject: [support-system] Re: vocaloids Don't you love the the way they say it's hard to "get the right vocal" and not that they can't sing? Mike >>> owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org 11/24/03 1:15 AM >>> From: "dana p." hey all: i just read this article in the NYTimes about Vocaloid software, which allows the user to create a very real-sounding human voice to sing pretty much anything they want. ...[matrix] say they are likely at least to try recording with Vocaloid instead of backup singers. "As producers, you run into some artists and oh god, it's so hard to get the right vocal," Mr. Spock said. "It's intriguing, this idea of `O.K., just give me all your vowels and all your consonants and I'll see you later.' " Discuss. here's the link in case anyone wants to read the whole thing: http://www.nytimes.com/2003/11/23/arts/music/23WERD.html?pagewanted=2&th laters, D - ------------------------------ End of support-system-digest V6 #311 ************************************ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 14:56:13 -0500 From: Dan MacDonald Subject: [support-system] the death of music i just read this article in the NYTimes about Vocaloid software, which allows the user to create a very real-sounding human voice to sing pretty much anything they want. it's intriguing and scary at the same time. I say they should go for it. i've come to learn that my music is still gonna be around, and if it's gonna be underground - it's gonna be underground, but it's more fun that way anyway. we have been dehumanizing music for so long now - this new human-like vocal that can sing is just the next logical step. who cares? go for it. popular music is plastic anyway. the songs are written by "song writing teams", advetisements for Air Force Ones and the Gap are put into songs we are supposed to dance to - the talent is airbrushed, vocals are touched up and fixed or distorted to hide the shitiness.... i don't know...i don't care about any of the above stuff - and i am not against it. i don't classify it the same way i would classify someone who does everything on their own terms etc... there are famous people - and "famous" is a job. you have to look a certain way, sound a certain way, market a certain way. then there are people who LOVE playing music. and you can always tell the difference. the people who love to play music will always be around. i don't know...i think stuff like this is cool...make it as plastic as possible. i'd be happy if there was an album that came out COMPLETELY by a computer. some kind of song/lyric generator. that'd be fucking classic. pop culture can get as plastic as it wants -but good music will always be around so it doesn't bother me at all. dan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 14:30:29 -0700 From: carrma@wellsfargo.com Subject: [support-system] Night of the Vocaloids Hey Dana--thanks for the story link. I guess I'm not all that surprised by the Vocaloid software. It seems like the logical extension of the pitch control software that's been in use for several years now. It's just another tool--it's all in how its use is implemented. Sort of like Photoshop filters--anyone with the software can use them but 99% can't use them effectively. Chances are it will be primarily used to make pop music sound slicker and more synthetic and sterile than ever. But if the backing vocal use proves profitable, the totally digital pop star won't be far off. The only two questions are, will it be a cartoon character or a busty CGI lady? And will they first try to pass it off as a traditional, real, live singer or will they hype the synthetic aspect right off the bat? Overall like rough edges to my music. I like it that guitars might be slightly out of tune or the drummer not perfectly on time. I like the vocal inflections that can arise when an untrained voice stretches to reach a note. I find that the imperfections often make the performance. When the emotion and charisma is there, and the song is scraping up against the limits of the performers' talents it makes the performance all the more moving and powerful. You rarely get that in the note perfect studio recordings these days. I guess I have to stick to my "field recordings". Mike ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 22:42:40 -0500 From: "Chris DeLisle" Subject: [support-system] defending Liz Phair album on Sound Opinions for those of you in the Chicago area or for those of you who regularly post to the Sound Opinions Message Board, i've been asked to defend the Liz Phair record on the air. it's the annual "Turkey Shoot Nominations" program Tuesday the 25th, and they're going to talk about the underrated and overrated albums of the year. i've been asked by the producer to defend it. it will surely be archived in a week or so on the website, so you can either laugh at my inability to do it justice, disagree, or nod your head in agreement. i'm a little nervous, but what the hell. chris deLisle ------------------------------ End of support-system-digest V6 #312 ************************************