From: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org (support-system-digest) To: support-system-digest@smoe.org Subject: support-system-digest V6 #289 Reply-To: support-system@smoe.org Sender: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk support-system-digest Tuesday, October 28 2003 Volume 06 : Number 289 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [support-system] Re: support-system-digest V6 #288 [DeadShark@aol.com] [support-system] The Big L [Dan MacDonald ] [support-system] Re: support-system-digest V6 #288 ["Mike Katsoulis" Subject: [support-system] The Big L Catherine Molanphy wrote: One minor annoyance in a song full of so *many* annoyances is that Liz pronounces all her L's in that really cloying way that people sometimes do...does anyone know what I'm talking about? Am I the only one who notices this? oh my GOD!! u are the first person who has EVER adressed this - and this is something that has always annoyed me. for real. even if i meet someone for the first time, then i notice they pronounce their L's this way - i start thinking: "maybe i don't want to get to know this person." sounds shallow - but UGH does that "L" sound bug me. "Lllost you once you were hard to find/gotchoo back ya didn't LlllllLlloook-like mine..." so horrific. another song that does this for me is "Labour of Love" by Frente. i love frente - but UGGGGH!!! those L's....it's just brutally annoying. another one is fittingly titled "The Big L" by Roxette. yuckie. sorry to rant - but catherine - seriously - i burst out laughing when i read your post about the L's, because i know exactly what it is you are talking about, and it's hilarious that you noted it, and that it bugs someone else out there too. too funny. dan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 12:10:05 -0600 From: "Mike Katsoulis" Subject: [support-system] Re: support-system-digest V6 #288 <> well said. I agree completely. except I refer to it as "that damn underwear song." you have to have the "damn" in there! mike ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 12:10:21 -0800 (PST) From: Emil Breton Subject: Re: [support-system] Re: the Underwear song Poll Catherine the Great wrote: <> Brilliant! Catherine, your analysis of "Favorite" is on-point, like a shrub in Vancouver. I'm literally laughing out loud -- it's the post that will have all of America dancing in the aisles! I really enjoyed Sean Murdock's "second look" at the album, although I still bristle at the notion of "Firewalker" as classic Liz. I think "Extraordinary" is actually closer to classic Liz than "Firewalker" (it at least has something resembling a sense of humor about it -- and humor, I insist, is part and parcel of The Classic). The lyrics to "Firewalker" feel pathetic and desperate, like a self-help paperback you'd find in a supermarket check-out aisle. And not because of their tone -- Liz can definitely pull off the sad-sack balladry, comedy-free (eg. "Down" -- perhaps her most depressing song; minus the worthless refrain, it's a great one). It's just that the lyrics on "Firewalker" really *are* so banal -- the defiance on the chorus that some say is "so Liz" is only generically so (see: "Six Feet One" for an example of a Liz who is both inspired *and* defiant). The fire motif works when you first hear the opening lines, but the Liz Phair of yore would have moved right the hell on to the next metaphor, quick as her chord changes (see: "Support System", "Supernova", "Stratford-on-Guy", "Gunshy", etc.). I do like the melody on the verses, however. And "Jeremy Engle"... ah, "Jeremy Engle". I've shouted about my love for this song from the highest mountaintops; no need to reiterate. Let's just say I'm with Kate Stewart -- this track, along with the rest of the EP, is the reason I still have faith in Liz Phair and find myself looking forward to the next release. "Jeremy" is at least a few notches above "Uncle Alvarez" (which is another great one, make no mistake). The difference is that Liz (the character or the real deal) co-stars in this one, whereas she is either non-existant or inconsequential in "Alvarez". Here, the phony, faux-radical facade of Jeremy crumbles, and the inadequacy Liz initially feels in his presence ("No, not I -- I'm more of a napkin") is inverted, and some sort of transcendance is achieved. Lust in reserve, wit at the forefront -- this song is driven by offbeat visual detail and is insightful, humorous, clever, and truly memorable (everything that a great Liz Phair song ought to be, imho). I, too, can see just why it was left off the actual album. On the other hand, I gotta say my thoughts on "Why Can't I" have not only shifted, they've disappeared altogether. My frontal lobe has nothing to do with my enjoyment of this one. This is the kind of radio song that I crank if ever I'm lucky enough to hear it. I listen to a ton of sinful Top 40 (or Hot AC, whatever they call it) these days, and there are few hooks out there as 'smashing' as this one's. It, along with "Favorite" and "Extraordinary", is a Matrix song, not a Liz Phair song, and that's okay. The only problem is, Pittsburgh listeners truly do not seem to care, and it's all but vanished from the playlist of the only station in town that would touch it. Emil __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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In the comic strip "Zits", jeremy is relaying a conversation where his girlfriend and her friend "decided they liked the new Liz Phair CD". ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 04:31:08 +0000 From: "over pavema" Subject: [support-system] i shot a man in reno catherine wrote: > > as for the insight into 'red light fever', i think that song is about > > someone who is both extremely judgemental, and too insecure to actually >do > > anything him/herself, probably out of fear that others will be just as > > judgemental. so, they are always critical, but never risk trying to > > accomplish anything. > >Gosh, that's me. 8-| yeah, me too. that's why i related to it so well, even if i only like the 'demo' version of the song. man, i wish someone had got hold of the rest of that batch of early versions and outtakes! i still really like 'tell me i'm a liar' and 'rapids', and that initial version of 'red light fevah'. o-> _________________________________________________________________ Fretting that your Hotmail account may expire because you forgot to sign in enough? Get Hotmail Extra Storage today! http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 00:21:28 -0500 From: Athiena00@aol.com Subject: [support-system] the underwear song i hate this song. the melody isnt so bad. the lyrics however are worse then ever. who the hell would want to be compared to underwear. its not sexy...its not coy or cute. its just plain repulsive. faith ------------------------------ End of support-system-digest V6 #289 ************************************