From: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org (support-system-digest) To: support-system-digest@smoe.org Subject: support-system-digest V6 #268 Reply-To: support-system@smoe.org Sender: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk support-system-digest Monday, October 6 2003 Volume 06 : Number 268 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [support-system] Turning Japanese ["Velocityboy3" ] [support-system] hurricane cindy/perfect world [Dan MacDonald Subject: [support-system] Turning Japanese Catherine, Wasn't paying close attention, but was Turning Japanese on that list? I see Liz is in the EW Photo Yearbook(or whatever it's called). Full page photo, laying back in chair outside. I assume it was in an earlier EW. Photog said she "was wild". I saw a later edition of that Filter mag(not the LP 1) on the newstand today. Looks very good. $5 a pop is pretty steep though. Especially for subscription. Anyone reading this all along? Like it? Boy this has to be 1 of the greatest years of concerts ever. Seems like everyone is touring I love. Another nice string of Eels shows coming. Almost in my back yard. Along w/many others. And if someone would fly to NYC, on 2 days notice for VH1, why not drive fly/drive somewhere else. If Mohammed(sp?) won't come to the mountain then the mountain must come to him. If I stayed in CT all the time, I'd never see anybody. Later, Bill in CT NP - Electric Version/New Pornographers ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 01:42:24 -0400 From: Dan MacDonald Subject: [support-system] hurricane cindy/perfect world i never realized what a great companion piece hurricane cindy (any version) makes with perfect world. both seem to be about the same thing too, but perfect world is from the thoughtful, introspective, cute, geeky, shy perspective/watching from afar - while hurricane cindy is the bitchy, cynical look at "that type of girl" - the kind everyone wants to be, cool tall vulnerable and luscious, or the kind everyone wants to knock of her chair. "just sitting next to a mortal makes their skin crawl..." hmmm.... the guitar even sounds the same.....i don't know. has anyone else ever noticed a comparrison - better yet - has liz ever identified one? the "saturday saturday saturday" almost echoes "be involved, be involved, be involved..", but sad and sighing... i don't know...it's weird, i totally see MAJOR similiarities in theme/sound i never noticed before and i'm wondering if i'm crazy or if this is something i've just over-looked...(it took me a few listens to realize T & T by the Breeders was the same song as Huffer, so i am kinda slow). dan ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 02:15:33 -0400 From: Catherine Molanphy Subject: [support-system] Re: hurricane cindy/perfect world Dan McDonald wrote: > i never realized what a great companion piece hurricane cindy (any version) > makes with perfect world. i don't know...it's weird, i totally see > MAJOR similiarities in theme/sound i never noticed before and i'm wondering if > i'm crazy or if this is something i've just over-looked... I remember when Shelved Demos was first making the rounds on Support System (6'1 then? maybe), someone had commented that they had made a mix of the songs with Rocket Boy removed from in between those two songs, because they complemented each other so well. You're not the only one. I am fond of both songs, though I have never made that thematic connection. Perfect World is sweet and pining and longing, but Cindy is a lot more from-the-gut and is more psychological. In my opinion, she straddles two personae in Cindy... one is the critic, looking at "Cindy" full of venom and hatred. The outsider, the alterna-girl. At some point she morphs into "Cindy", explores her motivations, becomes empathetic... "I just wanted a few people to talk about me..." And that's Liz to a T... she can chameleon into the ditsy popular girl, or she can slink back out to the hinterlands and be an alienated observer. She is both in one person, she understands both girls. It reminds me of "Tangled Up In Blue", where halfway into the song, Dylan switches from third person to first person narrative. - --Catherine p.s. And I think that the part about "put it on the stereo and play..." is sort of like the bridge between those two personae (as, appropriately, it is the "bridge" musically in the song). When you're listening to music, you can fantasize about that glory-girl you want to be, you imagine yourself singing, being adored, being your idealized self. In other, pop music is a way to realize one's inner "Cindy"... and that section of the song is the secret passageway between the critic and the "Cindy". ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 19:04:47 -0400 From: "Stephanie" Subject: [support-system] Liz in the mile high club In regards to: "Liz is being played on the pop channel on Qantas planes! I heard a bit of Why Can't I and thought I know this, what is this and got the shock of my life when I realised it was Liz. Too bad she's not coming out here, she might have been able to hear herself on the plane if she did...Sally" I heard Why Can't I on United too. It is surprising. I guess it's good for her too. - -Stephanie ------------------------------ End of support-system-digest V6 #268 ************************************