From: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org (support-system-digest) To: support-system-digest@smoe.org Subject: support-system-digest V6 #256 Reply-To: support-system@smoe.org Sender: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk support-system-digest Tuesday, September 23 2003 Volume 06 : Number 256 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [support-system] Sounds Eclectic KCRW [Steve Rhodes ] [support-system] Zwan/Paz (sorry for the delay) [Catherine Lewis Subject: [support-system] Sounds Eclectic KCRW Morning Sounds Eclectic is a music show on Santa Monica public radio station KCRW. There is a website for a weekly version of the show http://soundseclectic.com They have more info o nthe concert at (KCRW members get first dibs on tickets Oct. 7 when we hopefully won't be electing arnold) http://www.kcrw.org/see3/ It is a benefit for the station. They have audio of lots of great shows online. Steve htttp://ari.typepad.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 16:33:52 -0500 (CDT) From: Catherine Lewis Subject: [support-system] Zwan/Paz (sorry for the delay) On Wed, 17 Sep 2003, over pavema wrote: > so, i'm just bummed that there won't be another zwan cd. will paz end up > like melissa? clearly talented, but never heard from again? So I'm a little late responding to the digest, but hey, I had a hurricane on my hands. As you may or may not know (and I don't think it was mentioned here), Paz has joined up with David Pajo (who also played guitar in Zwan) in his project Papa M. Anyone interested in Papa M should check out their album "Whatever, Mortal", which is really phenomenal. (I can't stand Pajo personally, but he's an incredibly talented musician.) Paz was not on that record but will be touring with Papa M, and that album is worth checking out. You might also know Pajo from his work with Slint ("Spiderland" was one of the most influential albums of the '90s), Will Oldham, Tortoise, and about a zillion others. Catherine. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 18:55:34 -0400 From: Catherine Molanphy Subject: [support-system] "Demo Survival" list (intro) For those of you, like me and Rob from "High Fidelity", who love lists, here is one that I felt inspired to create this evening: Which of Liz's demos survived the studio transition and which didn't? As a side question, did any of you support-systemers get to hear the Girlysound demos BEFORE Whip-smart was released? I'd be interested to hear how that might have colored your reception of Shane, Chopsticks, Go West and the title track. I'm assuming none of you heard GS before Exile... but by all means, disabuse me of that notion if I am wrong. I just realized something... I don't know why it didn't occur to me before but... LP is her first album without ANY GS rehashes. Interesting. Anyway, what follows are my "verdicts"... please pitch in with your own takes. I'm only including songs which actually made it to one of her commercially released albums, or one of the compilations. In most cases, I heard the demo or differenty-interpreted studio take *AFTER* I heard the commercial version, with only a few exceptions. If I've missed anything, please tell me. After the name of each song, in parentheses, I've put the "demo compilation" on which we all heard that version, followed by the commercial title on which that same song eventually appeared. Most of the abbreviations should be obvious to you all... SD is the '96 Shelved Demos. WCSEs is WCSEsessions, the 1997 outtakes. Finally, I'm gonna have to chop up the whole thing up to make sure it gets distributed to the list. Order of songs is alphabetical. (I'm not going to risk any more in this installment... to be continued...) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 22:16:18 -0400 From: Catherine Molanphy Subject: [support-system] "Demo Survival" list -- 1st installment Baby Got Going (WCSEsessions--WCSE) VERDICT: differences are negligible ORDER I HEARD THEM: official release first Aside from eliminating (or burying?) the weird little chuckle in the beginning, I can't hear many differences between the 1997 and 1998 versions. Big Tall Man (WCSEsessions--WCSE) VERDICT: differences are negligible ORDER I HEARD THEM: official release first Aside from more clearly heard dragracing noises in the 1997 version, this track seemed to be pretty much fully realized on "sessions". No lyric changes; I've always been fond of the song, and hearing the alternate did not bring any revelations for me. Chopsticks (GS--WS) VERDICT: don't much care ORDER I HEARD THEM: official release first I didn't like this song on WS and my opinion pretty much didn't change when I heard Girlysound. To my ear, the second version is pretty faithful to the original. Those of you who are fond of this song should pitch in with any thoughts you have... Divorce Song (GS--EIG) VERDICT: it cleaned up nice ORDER I HEARD THEM: official release first This may be the best-realized song of all in its commercial form. It benefits from so many components: the confident Brad Wood drums; the Stones-esque tambourine; the climactic yet doleful harmonica flourish at the end which perfectly complements the jangly guitar. It's the most effective use of Liz's trademark EIG flat deadpan vocal, evoking so much while being totally uninflected, so seemingly passionless. Upon first hearing the GS demo, one is impressed by how much the song suffers from the lack of percussion and the draggy tempo. Her delicate, plaintive (tired?) delivery of the vocal has some pathos, but nowhere near the effectivness of her dirge-like EIG performance. This was a Phair composition that definitely screamed out for a shot of adrenaline, and got it in spades. (to be continued...) ------------------------------ End of support-system-digest V6 #256 ************************************