From: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org (support-system-digest) To: support-system-digest@smoe.org Subject: support-system-digest V6 #224 Reply-To: support-system@smoe.org Sender: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk support-system-digest Thursday, August 21 2003 Volume 06 : Number 224 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [support-system] da hell? ["Chris DeLisle" ] [support-system] class of 08 / birthday / that fucking word ["Michael Hon] [support-system] She's Phair Game: Phair Fights Backlash Over New CD ["tr] [support-system] why waste your time? you know you're gonna be mine ["dan] [support-system] Song Requests [TitleTK@aol.com] [support-system] latest wholly insignificant liz sighting [Emil Breton ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 01:44:02 -0400 From: "Chris DeLisle" Subject: [support-system] da hell? what the hell is going on with all these messages from Ken Lee with attachments? i'm getting plenty of SPAM messages with attachments, myself. is that this worm virus or something? re: Liz's interview with Regis and Kelly that was one of the more rushed/uncomfortable minute and a half interviews i've watched on television. Regis sounded like he listens to all her albums on a weekly basis. didn't catch the performance, though. as for the rest of the posts filling up the last two days...CHILL OUT. chris deLisle (also going to Detroit show) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 02:28:50 -0400 From: "Michael Honaker" Subject: [support-system] class of 08 / birthday / that fucking word first of all, what in the hell is this all about? ----> "she does have a dirty mouth though :( i did NOT want my bf listening to her say those things! oh well! *LOL* TAKE KARE, BFF, CLASS OF 08 RULZ!!!" huh? what is that? sorry if i'm out of the loop on what this is supposed to mean, but is this a 13/14 year old? If it is...then I say good luck on the upcoming spelling bee! I just have this gut feeling you'll win...If you're up against...oh...say....dirt. Seriously though...what is that about? Someone said it was a "fake" email...I'm lost. I hate "cyberspeak" and all that "LOL" and "ROTFLMAO" crap. Yuck! Maybe it's because I know people that use terms like "LOL" in everyday vocabulary and it makes me want to strangle them. No, they don't say "Laugh out loud"...they literally fucking say "LOL", and I wish them death. On to other business... If I were to ask Liz to wish someone a happy birthday and she didn't do it... I'd go off the deep end and just flat out murder everyone and then I'd kill myself because I absolutely can not live unless rock stars do me favors because I can't come up with a creative way to show someone that I care about them. Not really. I wouldn't give a shit! She's a normal person like all of us, and I'm sure she has every other thing to worry about in her life and on her tour than to wish people happy birthdays. A birthday note would have more than satisfied me. I would have ran with that. I'd be like "ok, sure... a note would be great! thanks, Liz! You're the best! Good luck on the rest of the tour! Oh yeah, did you fuck Jason Mraz? I ask because he looks really greasy like that John Mayer guy. They both kind of look like they bathe in mayonaise." But, if Liz does it once for someone, let's hope it's at a small show... A very small show. I think one would have a better chance of getting her to personally wish someone a happy birthday if said person talked to her right before that show. If she did it among a huge crowd of people, her fans old and new, then she'd pretty much have to agree to do it for everyone that asked, right? And yes, more people would ask at the next show...and the next. Yeah, it would make her look approachable and like the "cool" rock star, but at the same time, she'd be reading an hours worth of audience announcements before she even began her set. Kind of like grade school... don't chew your gum unless you have enough for everyone. That's just my opinion on it. No need to take any of it as fact or anything. Yeah, just thought of something else while we're on the subject of Liz... Liz is Liz. And I truly believe that she doesn't owe anyone shit. I've said it for years. Just like I don't owe anyone anything, including respect...and that's why I can say this: Why do you have to use the word "CUNT"?! I got called out for using the word FAG (even though it wasn't directly toward anyone on-list, and I agree that I shouldn't have referred to New Kids On The Block that way...because I'm so bad...ok well, maybe I was right. Just maybe.) so what... calling someone a CUNT on-list is acceptable? Someone PLEASE explain to me how it can be. Maybe I'm being one myself, I don't know. I just think it's rude and uncalled for. You need a new vocabulary, and that's not an opinion. - -Michael ==== SUPERNOVA has moved... http://www.fan-sites.org/liz-phair/ So much Liz Phair audio, you'll kick yourself for not being there sooner. ==== ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 10:08:22 -0400 From: "trent [hardcore since '74l]" Subject: [support-system] She's Phair Game: Phair Fights Backlash Over New CD http://www.canoe.ca/JamMusic/aug20_phair-sun.html - --- remember, always be yourself ... unless you suck. -- Joss Whedon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 09:54:33 -0700 From: "dana p." Subject: [support-system] why waste your time? you know you're gonna be mine >>But don't vilify Liz for *not* being into the social aspect of performing. Or thinking that she "owes" that to people. If a musical artist is truly comfortable with having intimate conversations with total strangers, then I admit to misjudging them with my above "good dog" (tm jeremy) comment. If they're doing it purely to "work the crowd" then I think it's disingenuous. And who's to know which is which?<< who cares? "working the crowd" is just part of being PROFESSIONAL. i'm serious. i don't think it's some sort of patronizing overlord mind-fuck thing. most of these people understand they have to get out there and perform and connect--because people bought tickets. so they have to work it even when they "don't feel like it." [and, sure, most of the time they don't; of course i understand they're human. duh.] and they have to be "on" every single time. if you need more evidence, go talk to the third chorus girl from the left in any broadway show. every person on stage in one those things knows he or she will get canned in a heartbeat if they're not givin' it their all every fucking time they're in the kleiglights. because that's show biz. you give and you give and you give and they all know that. yes, it's hard. but too bad. they knew that going in. if you focus on what you're giving, rather than on what you're getting ("baby bird" speech), you betcha life is gonna suck. it's all gonna be too much and "oh, i'm too tired." well, boo-frickety-hoo. performing is it's own reward. that's how you have to deal with it. or, yeah, you're gonna be miserable. it's a choice. *** the other point i'm making is that, from strictly a business standpoint, her aloofness, which i'm assuming she thinks is funny and/or "cool," is completely moronic. it defeats the purpose of "pissing off all the hard-core fans" in the first place with this new CD. i guess she really *does* think she can spit on a sidewalk and--poof!--the beverly hills mansion suddenly appears. ok, fine, maybe she doesn't "owe" the fans any shout-outs, but how the hell do we "owe" her (financial) support for the bullshit she pulls? think about it. does her label "owe" her for her (go with me here) remarkable rapport-building skills, which would in turn build album sales? they would if she actually paid attention to it, instead of worrying about what she's gonna wear when she stands in! front o f you. she's forgetting something really important: never, ever, underestimate word-of-mouth. the whole music business itself is based on appreciation. that's it; that's all there is to it, really. she's notoriously awful at building genuine rapport with fans (because she's great only when she feels like doing it), and maybe that's a personal problem, but she's not even seeing that she has to step up to the plate just businesswise. just do the shout-out; is it gonna kill ya?? plus, i'm frankly shocked that brian tells her this story, in which she figures prominently, and her vanity and egocentrism didn't even pick up on that. if it were me, i'd be braggin' all over the stage. and don't tell me she's not vain or egocentric, because i'll *never* stop laughing.... this isn't about "vilifying" her for being a self-centered diva pulling a 'tude, it's about saying she's in *no position* to go doing that stuff (hell, look at ryan adams; he makes whitney houston look like audrey hepburn). if she doesn't get a clue soon, i'm telling you, she'll be back in her old bedroom with the laura ashley wallpaper, singing songs into a 4-track. and that's where they'll stay. either that or she'll be waiting tables at some melrose avenue chi-chi eatery--and i'll pay a million bucks to see it, too. like i said, never underestimate word-of-mouth. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 19:13:18 EDT From: TitleTK@aol.com Subject: [support-system] Song Requests Hey Everyone, Lor and I are planning on shouting out some song requests at the Chicago Metro shows and we'd love it if you'd join in. Our plan is this -- after Never Said we shout for Love/Hate. After Johnny Feelgood we shout for Shatter and during the whole encore we scream for May Queen. It may not work -- but we're trying it all three nights and we'd love some help. james ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 16:59:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Emil Breton Subject: [support-system] latest wholly insignificant liz sighting So, I was watching the Teen Jeopardy Challenge, or whatever it's called, earlier tonight and there was this category called "Pop Songs" and the clue was "Liz Phair sang back up on this song that featured the lyric 'I don't have digital / I don't have diddly-squat'." So excited was I that I just had to share it wit da list. Breathlessly yours, Emil __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 22:38:23 -0400 From: "Stephanie" Subject: [support-system] Missing Liz I missed the show in Boston on Sunday. I liked Bob's review though and I agree that Little Digger is a poor choice for an encore. I kind of want to see her at Now and Zen when I go back to SF in September. I just don't know about seeing her in a huge park along with Duran Duran. I mean, it's almost my dream come true, but I just don't know. Has anyone ever thought that maybe what they see as Liz's arrogance is shyness? I always heard about her stage fright, maybe she still kind of has it. Oh, I was also wondering if any demos were ever made or ever got leaked for this album. Probably not. It also sux to see that kenmlee (or someone) has that virus that's going around. ------------------------------ End of support-system-digest V6 #224 ************************************