From: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org (support-system-digest) To: support-system-digest@smoe.org Subject: support-system-digest V6 #221 Reply-To: support-system@smoe.org Sender: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk support-system-digest Monday, August 18 2003 Volume 06 : Number 221 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [support-system] ben folds covered Liz live last night! [Stephen Griffes ] [support-system] liz opts not to return the favor to b-day katie ["Falk, ] [support-system] liz opts not to return the favor to b-day katie ["Falk, ] [support-system] EXTRAORDINARY [Al Madrid ] [support-system] Re: liz opts not to return the favor to b-day katie [Cat] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 16:13:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Stephen Griffes Subject: [support-system] ben folds covered Liz live last night! i saw Ben folds last night (opening up for tori amos) in cleveland at some nasty "amphitheatre" (it so doesn't deserve to be called that) in Gnat City. As he ended one crazy piano romp, I noticed he started playing a little bit of chopsticks. then he started playing really slow...i thought "that sounds like how liz played it..." i about shit when he started in with "I met him at a party..." It was fucking awesome. and he didn't change the gender. ben folds rocks! and his fans rock even more (I had ok seats, but two ben folds fans were leaving because they were there just for ben and didn't like tori...they liked my joan jett shirt and gave me their tickets which were near the front and in the center...so i passed my old seats onto friends who had "standing room" in the back---mmm good tori karma.) wonder if anyone recorded that show.. steve. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 22:32:48 -0400 From: "Falk, Brian" Subject: [support-system] liz opts not to return the favor to b-day katie last night at the 930club was my 8th and final liz phair concert. i was very surprised to read overpavement's positive review of the show, as (to me) it was the same crap as philly...just 4 days later. hated the crowd, hate her silly little mop-topped band (goddamn it, where the hell are buddy, mario and janet?!), hated the new-album-heavy setlist, and especially hated the frequent references to jason mraz between songs as part of her "give and take" with the audience. of course, if you are hellbent on on turning 17 year old girls into your loyal fans, i guess it is a smart thing to punctuate 50% of your remarks with "....ooooand jason did this!" and "....jason said that!" shee-it. i almost vomited when she started gushing about how good jason is at flicking guitar picks into the audience. maybe that obnoxious hecker in philly who wondered aloud how many times she fucked him is onto something. but despite my apparently unceasing contempt for all things liz (but only since this crappy album wretched forth), i was optimistic to the very end of the set as i had entered the venue with an ace up my sleeve. for you see, four days prior in philly i had grudgingly shelled out the requisite 15 semolians for a "liz phair" CD at the electric factory show. it was not because i wanted the album, nor was it because i needed to meet her, as i figured out a long time ago (listen up, kids) that most of your idols aren't worth meeting, unless you would prefer that they not be your idols anymore. no, my motive was different: i bought that damn thing for the sole purpose of informing liz personally (with both a succinct story and well-crafted note) that b-day katie, the same wonderful pale plue-eyed angel who went to the trouble of forwarding birthday greetings to liz just in time for her last 930club performance in '99(what was it, like 3 days after her actual birthday that night?), would in fact be celebrating HER OWN birthday the night of the impending 930club show. and HOW FRICKIN COOL WOULD IT BE for liz phair to set aside all her major-label airs for one goddamn minute and wish an onstage happy birthday to a fan who had been adoring and loyal for years on end? pretty frickin cool i would say. question was, could she be talked into it? now lest you ask yourself why the hell a gruff bastard such as myself should care about such sentiments, i will stop the story to inform you that b-day katie is my girlfriend, and we, in fact, met on april 27th 1999 at the 930club. it was at a meeting of support-system folk in the basement bar of the 930 prior to liz phair's set, and believe me, i noticed her (katie, i mean) right away, as she has the sort of smile that can even light up a batcave like the basement bar of the 930 club. and i couldn't help but notice that she laughed at all my drunken antics, so i started spinning my web that night. four years later she is still my best friend. i love you buddy. so i am standing in line after the show at the electric factory on tuesday (which katie could not attend), with a note in hand explaining all the particulars to liz phair: - -b-day katie is my girlfriend - -she gave you a card for your birthday at the LAST 930club show - -this time it will be her birthday - -we met THAT NIGHT so i want to give her a special present, but i need your help - -could you please wish her a surprise happy birthday at the show??? as my turn in line is approaching, i can't help but notice that liz phair seems to be employing a strict "10-seconds-or-less" rule with each fan in line, even though there can't be more than 2 dozen of us. when i get to her, the exhange goes something like this: liz(turning on the charm): hi!! me: liz, hi, there is something i need to tell you!!! liz: ok... me: (see the five bulleted points above. i spit it out quick, because i know she would want rid of me in a hurry.) liz: ohhhh, so you want me to sign this note for her?! ok! me: NO. i want you to wish her a happy birthday at the show on saturday because (see five bulleted points above)!! i just wrote it all down on this note so you could remember my story. liz: oh ok. well i can't sign your cd...it's not out (of the plastic wrapper). me: i don't care about that. i just want you to PLEASE wish my girlfriend a happy birthday on saturday. liz (sticking the note in the bouncer's hand): um, ok. ok now. if you were the "rock star" in this scenario, would you honor this request? well, as you either know or have surmised, liz didn't. the set started and ended with nary a birthday wish to any fan, old or recent. i guess she was afraid that one stupid little happy birthday would open up an entire pandora's box of personal requests, which could clearly elicit no other result than to derail her promising career as the grammy-winning piece-of-ass heartthrob who, after releasing 3 of the best albums i have ever heard, had to stoop down to opening for jason fucking mrrrraz. i guess when you think about that way it makes perfect sense, huh? stop the bus, i'm getting off. how do i unsubscribe? [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 22:32:48 -0400 From: "Falk, Brian" Subject: [support-system] liz opts not to return the favor to b-day katie last night at the 930club was my 8th and final liz phair concert. i was very surprised to read overpavement's positive review of the show, as (to me) it was the same crap as philly...just 4 days later. hated the crowd, hate her silly little mop-topped band (goddamn it, where the hell are buddy, mario and janet?!), hated the new-album-heavy setlist, and especially hated the frequent references to jason mraz between songs as part of her "give and take" with the audience. of course, if you are hellbent on on turning 17 year old girls into your loyal fans, i guess it is a smart thing to punctuate 50% of your remarks with "....ooooand jason did this!" and "....jason said that!" shee-it. i almost vomited when she started gushing about how good jason is at flicking guitar picks into the audience. maybe that obnoxious hecker in philly who wondered aloud how many times she fucked him is onto something. but despite my apparently unceasing contempt for all things liz (but only since this crappy album wretched forth), i was optimistic to the very end of the set as i had entered the venue with an ace up my sleeve. for you see, four days prior in philly i had grudgingly shelled out the requisite 15 semolians for a "liz phair" CD at the electric factory show. it was not because i wanted the album, nor was it because i needed to meet her, as i figured out a long time ago (listen up, kids) that most of your idols aren't worth meeting, unless you would prefer that they not be your idols anymore. no, my motive was different: i bought that damn thing for the sole purpose of informing liz personally (with both a succinct story and well-crafted note) that b-day katie, the same wonderful pale plue-eyed angel who went to the trouble of forwarding birthday greetings to liz just in time for her last 930club performance in '99(what was it, like 3 days after her actual birthday that night?), would in fact be celebrating HER OWN birthday the night of the impending 930club show. and HOW FRICKIN COOL WOULD IT BE for liz phair to set aside all her major-label airs for one goddamn minute and wish an onstage happy birthday to a fan who had been adoring and loyal for years on end? pretty frickin cool i would say. question was, could she be talked into it? now lest you ask yourself why the hell a gruff bastard such as myself should care about such sentiments, i will stop the story to inform you that b-day katie is my girlfriend, and we, in fact, met on april 27th 1999 at the 930club. it was at a meeting of support-system folk in the basement bar of the 930 prior to liz phair's set, and believe me, i noticed her (katie, i mean) right away, as she has the sort of smile that can even light up a batcave like the basement bar of the 930 club. and i couldn't help but notice that she laughed at all my drunken antics, so i started spinning my web that night. four years later she is still my best friend. i love you buddy. so i am standing in line after the show at the electric factory on tuesday (which katie could not attend), with a note in hand explaining all the particulars to liz phair: - -b-day katie is my girlfriend - -she gave you a card for your birthday at the LAST 930club show - -this time it will be her birthday - -we met THAT NIGHT so i want to give her a special present, but i need your help - -could you please wish her a surprise happy birthday at the show??? as my turn in line is approaching, i can't help but notice that liz phair seems to be employing a strict "10-seconds-or-less" rule with each fan in line, even though there can't be more than 2 dozen of us. when i get to her, the exhange goes something like this: liz(turning on the charm): hi!! me: liz, hi, there is something i need to tell you!!! liz: ok... me: (see the five bulleted points above. i spit it out quick, because i know she would want rid of me in a hurry.) liz: ohhhh, so you want me to sign this note for her?! ok! me: NO. i want you to wish her a happy birthday at the show on saturday because (see five bulleted points above)!! i just wrote it all down on this note so you could remember my story. liz: oh ok. well i can't sign your cd...it's not out (of the plastic wrapper). me: i don't care about that. i just want you to PLEASE wish my girlfriend a happy birthday on saturday. liz (sticking the note in the bouncer's hand): um, ok. ok now. if you were the "rock star" in this scenario, would you honor this request? well, as you either know or have surmised, liz didn't. the set started and ended with nary a birthday wish to any fan, old or recent. i guess she was afraid that one stupid little happy birthday would open up an entire pandora's box of personal requests, which could clearly elicit no other result than to derail her promising career as the grammy-winning piece-of-ass heartthrob who, after releasing 3 of the best albums i have ever heard, had to stoop down to opening for jason fucking mrrrraz. i guess when you think about that way it makes perfect sense, huh? stop the bus, i'm getting off. how do i unsubscribe? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 20:02:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Al Madrid Subject: [support-system] EXTRAORDINARY Holy shit!!! I just heard Extraordinary on L.A.'s Star 98.7's new music show right now. I was just ready to get out of my car when the intro came on and the dj announced, this is a new one from Liz Phair. Why Can't I is being played like every 3 hours on the station and is getting like 48-50 spins which means it's a mega hit at the station. Well, I was so excited I had to tell you all. I guess it is being released as the second single and only time will tell if those of us who said that it will take her to the next level in pop-stardom are right. Also, they've been marketing her show at the Hollywood Avalon and they use a cut of Supernova, Why Can't I and Extraordinary to do so. They are giving away tickets I believe and that includes meeting Liz, I believe and getting in during the soundcheck or something like that. I've been trying to listen to the station because I couldn't really hear the whole thing so I may be wrong but I also thought they said something about the station being live at Avalon. I'll try to get the correct info for anyone in L.A. The album is by far from failing. :) Al __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 23:16:13 -0400 From: Catherine Molanphy Subject: [support-system] Re: liz opts not to return the favor to b-day katie "Falk, Brian" wrote: > ok now. if you were the "rock star" in this scenario, would you honor this > request? It would depend on my mood. No, wait... I think if I were a rock star I would have a "no shout-outs" policy. I just think they're lame. It's sort of like saying, "hey I'm on a stage and I have the power to bring you into my divine light by saying your name..." Anyway, that's what it smacks of to little-ol'-nonfamous-me. But Brian... if Liz not wishing your sweetie a happy b-day is gonna make or break your fanship, well then... you're more of a sentimental sap than I would expect of a Liz fan. No wait, let me put it better: I'm not a fan of Liz because she's my bestest friend, or even cuz she was condescendingly nice to me in an autograph line. I like her music... and there will always be a WIDE gulf between the man and his art. You know, between the woman and her art. I know in my gut that if Liz and I went to high school together we would NEVER have been friends. Ever listened to "Girls' Room"?? I love that song but... dude! It's revealing. She was a popular girl... it would've been out of my reach. I've never done a very good job with my bikini line... not good enough for those of her ilk, anyway. What happened to my point? Oh yeah... if you wanna hand in your fanclub card, and you do it because you think her music irredemably sucks now, then I'll respect you. Do the same because she wouldn't give you a shout-out at a concert, and I will not. Should you care if I respect you or not? Hell no. - --Catherine ------------------------------ End of support-system-digest V6 #221 ************************************