From: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org (support-system-digest) To: support-system-digest@smoe.org Subject: support-system-digest V6 #218 Reply-To: support-system@smoe.org Sender: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk support-system-digest Friday, August 15 2003 Volume 06 : Number 218 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [support-system] Roseland show ["Andrea Steiner" ] [support-system] Re: support-system-digest V6 #217 [AMDAmore@aol.com] Re: [support-system] james: consensus? [TitleTK@aol.com] Re: [support-system] Sing along songs? [TitleTK@aol.com] [support-system] Liz on Good Morning America [Easter ] [support-system] Bowery/Roseland [sarahmay14 ] [support-system] Bowery/Roseland [sarahmay14 ] [support-system] VH1 Interview [Christine Hademan ] [support-system] NY Times again [AWeiss4338@aol.com] [support-system] Los Angeles Show [Charles Pham Subject: [support-system] Roseland show I didn't think I was going to get to a Liz show this time around because tickets to the Bowery Ballroom show on Sunday and last night's show at Roseland were sold out when I tried to get tickets. But my friend miraculously had an extra ticket because one of the people she was supposed to go to the show at Roseland with bailed. I was so happy to be there! I was having a really crappy day and this was just the remedy I needed. We got stuck in traffic on the way and missed the opening act, and walked in as Liz was playing 6'1". It was a pretty young crowd, but I noticed some other mid-20's people like me as well as some 30's and up. It seemed like most of the audience was there to see Jason Mraz. I was kind of surprised that Liz played Help Me Mary and Glory. Glory definitely sounded odd, but I really liked hearing her old stuff. She sprinkled her set with the new songs, and even though the sound system was kind of screwed up, I still thought that the new songs sounded better and more real Liz than the overproduced versions on the CD. I really like Red Light Fever. I noticed that her voice sounded a lot lower than it usually does (and more confident), compared with other shows I've been to. Could have something to do with the messed up acoustic effects, though. I'm not tech knowledgable enough to be able to really say for sure. But she sounded fine to me. I was just thrilled to be there, that it really didn't matter what she sounded like--she could have been playing the alphabet song on a xylophone and I would have been satisfied. Wanted to hear Flower, but H.W.C. was a cute enough way to end her set. I was rather peeved at how short her set was and how much longer Jason Mraz's set was. Granted, Mraz was damn good and put on a very entertaining show, which even I was able to enjoy despite knowing only one of his songs (Remedy), but it was supposed to be a double bill, not Liz Phair as his opening act. I'm glad I didn't miss seeing Liz live in her first tour in five years. I was feeling a bit mopey about that, despite the whole selling out issue. I have a sort of unconditional love for Liz, and I really hope I can meet her one day to let her know what a big impact her music has had on me. This show wasn't quite as good as when she played Roseland in 1998, but I'm happy I was there. Now, I have to figure out if I can get up early enough on Friday to see her play at 7am at Bryant Park, which is a block away from my office. ~Andrea S. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 08:19:19 EDT From: AMDAmore@aol.com Subject: [support-system] Re: support-system-digest V6 #217 HELP!!! DOES ANYONE HAVE A TICKETSTUB TO THE ELECTRIC FACTORY SHOW THAT I CAN HAVE? I frame all of my shows, and my eff-ing self saw my eff-ing ticket go through the eff-ing laundry! If anyone has an extra stub they can spare, can you contact me at my home email? AMDAmore@aol.com. Thank you!!! Alice ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 08:51:59 EDT From: TitleTK@aol.com Subject: Re: [support-system] james: consensus? In a message dated 8/12/03 5:36:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, catherinemolanphy@earthlink.net writes: << but I think that May Queen (which I like quite a bit) would be an even better live piece... it could be the very last song of the encore. How cool would that be? >> I know I've said this before but I think in a perfect world May Queen should follow Shatter. I'd also like to hear Chopsticks and Strange Loop again. In addition to 6'1'' and May Queen they are the quintessential Liz Phair openers and closures. james ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 08:58:03 EDT From: TitleTK@aol.com Subject: Re: [support-system] Sing along songs? In a message dated 8/13/03 12:22:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time, wcseliz@yahoo.com writes: << Someone mentioned they didn't like the idea of Liz using "Flower" as a sing along song...a possible discussion: What other songs could she use? >> I don't really know if she has to use any songs. It's not that I mind really, but I'd love to hear Flower in it's unwatered down form. Of course, when someone sings along with her that knows what she's doing (re:Katie) it really isn't a problem. james ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 06:08:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Easter Subject: [support-system] Liz on Good Morning America Dunno if this will be of any help, but to save on the headache, set your VCR timers to the last 45 minutes of the show: 8:15-9am(EST) or check your listings. I'm a regular GMA viewer and have noticed that they show four songs on tv, along with a brief interview. Hopefully someone will have the opportunity to be there and report something more lively than what is shown on tv. Another thing, my dad reported to me last nite that there was a Liz concert on tv on digital cable. I automatically changed the channel and noticed it was Sessions at 54th(?). I didn't bother to watch it again because I know I didn't want to watch that spastic woman we talked about. Eep. Katie (); ) ===== ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ "My love belongs to who can see it." George Harrison ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 06:29:55 -0700 (PDT) From: sarahmay14 Subject: [support-system] Bowery/Roseland some notes from the bowery show: - she introduced glory as being about Steve Albini (I am sure she said in an interview it was about jagger and his huge tongue, but whatever) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 06:34:02 -0700 (PDT) From: sarahmay14 Subject: [support-system] Bowery/Roseland sorry to all, I can't use my computer apparently and hit send a little to fast... Back to the Bowery: - she entered the building and waved at us few lucky fans that happend to be waiting for our sig. others who were extremely late wearing tight flare jeans and a short tan leather jacket and some sort of expensive shoulder bag. very gucci style. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 07:27:25 -0700 From: Christine Hademan Subject: [support-system] VH1 Interview That VH1 interview was great! Thanks for posting it! I loved the honesty about how she was hurt by the fact that her "old fans" don't stop and listen and realize how personal these songs are to her because they don't like the sound. It also really sucks that she feels like she can't perform her new stuff because she's afraid she'll piss off the old fans. - -Christine ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 13:31:59 EDT From: AWeiss4338@aol.com Subject: [support-system] NY Times again Who has a great review of Liz's show at the Bowery yesterday in it's Arts section. It was written by one of their regular critcs and not the woman who wrote the Sunday Arts & Leasure article on her. Andrea ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 11:41:00 -0700 From: Charles Pham Subject: [support-system] Los Angeles Show Not sure if anyone's mentioned this or if there was an official announcement, but... Liz Phair Avalon Hollywood Hollywood, CA Wednesday, September 17 at 8:00 PM On Sale Friday, August 15 at 12:00 PM The Avalon was formerly known as the Palace. Charles ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 20:05:31 +0000 From: "over pavema" Subject: [support-system] a roseland review first, the line outside was ridiculous. as a girl on an elevator said 20 minutes before i was heading over to the roseland, 'it's wicked hot out there today!'. and it was. inside, where i'd seen liz before, in a solo solo show, there was a/c, but it didn't matter once you got into the crush of the crowd. the first douche came out and -- as someone else already said - -- crooned about 8 songs, including murdering 'night and day'. a) doing a cole porter standard at a rock show is a gamey proposition. b) doing it badly just pisses everyone off: people who think 'night and day' is a classic think you're a douche, and people who don't know the song are scratching their heads about why you're doing that old-person's song in the first place. he is talented, but so are a lot of people. he took up space and time. that's about all i can say about him. this show was running on a drum-tight schedule. liz showed up at 8:10 or 8:15, played 14 songs with zero investment or emotion, backed by a faceless band (the guitarist *might* have been joe perry if joe perry was, what, 30 years younger, and the keyboard player, who was the apparent chick magnet of the bunch, was, i think, the guy who plays angel on 'buffy', and on his own show. must be on hiatus). someone else posted the set-list, so i won't. 'extraordinary' may have come off the best, even though i'm not a fan of the song. 'help me mary' was underwater, '6'1"' was rushed and no fun. the fat old guys in hipster suits up in the VIP seats to the left of the audience were rockin' out to 'why can't i', although the fasetto bit was ragged and sad (is the lyric something like, 'i would love for you to pull me under'? that's the part that was a bit tough to stomach). they also responded to 'rock me' and 'favorite'. so i wonder if they're affiliated with the matrix, and were mentally counting their royalties. 'red light fever' was the most interesting song to me, because it seemed more bitter and without an ounce of sympathy for the person being addressed and described in the song. 'glory' was okay, but the mix was still bad, so if you didn't already know the song, you weren't going to get it by listening to that version. liz basically begged pete yorn to come up on stage about 4 different times. finally, after all her pleading, well, he still never showed. assume he was either passed out loaded backstage, or just not up for the 'hwc' singalong bit, which was as uninspired as i would've predicted, even as i would've been hoping it would actually be good. liz did not mesmerize, did not glow, did not dazzle the audience. she appeared bored (maybe just tired of the strict rules that apply to any opening act) and not much into it. played more songs off the new cd than some of the other set lists have indicated, so i'm thinking maybe the label is pressing her to do that in the bigger cities like nyc. we'll see how it goes in d.c. she had talked at the start of the tour about co-headlining, but that was before it became painfully apparent that mraz is selling more tickets, so while she seemed to be playing to the vip-sters upstairs more than to the paying audience, it may be that she's just bummed about still having to open for a guy with one cd, that has probably (and unfairly) outsold all 4 of her cd's combined. her voice is better than ever, no question. but, having seen her live 5 times now, this was easily her least-interesting performance. even when she was opening for alanis, she appeared to be having a lot more fun. on that last tour she had a band that could do interesting things with the songs. this time out the songs were bashed out and over right on time (which worked for many of the new ones (and maybe that's the point, eh?) , but the discipline (or anality) strangled most of the set). didn't hang to see jason mraz, although what i've heard off his cd is no worse than, say, john mayer or a half-dozen other singers who seem heavily influenced by george michael in his 'Faith' period, and by each other. note that scalpers were going crazy trying to unload tickets outside the roseland, and i would not be surprised if below-face value tix were available by show-time. 100% chance you could find someone to sell you tickets at the door for no more than face value. reviews from the bowery ballroom show were better, i think, and i hope it was a better show. this one was not bad, not great. mostly unremarkable. i'll be interested, though, to see if other people enjoyed it more than i did. o _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 19:07:47 -0700 From: Kenneth Lee Subject: [support-system] wonder what Liz is doing... ...with the power outtage that hit NYC and the eastern part of the country. I'm assuming the VH1 taping has been postponed. Don't know what will happen with the Good Morning America concert. - -Ken kenmlee@ix.netcom.com MeSmErIzInG - AnOtHeR LiZ PhAiR WeBsItE http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Club/2471/ ------------------------------ End of support-system-digest V6 #218 ************************************