From: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org (support-system-digest) To: support-system-digest@smoe.org Subject: support-system-digest V6 #215 Reply-To: support-system@smoe.org Sender: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk support-system-digest Tuesday, August 12 2003 Volume 06 : Number 215 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [support-system] Neil Young, Jen T. reference, virtually no Liz mention [] [support-system] No mo' vinyl? [David Trezza ] [support-system] Philly show? Are you going? ["Eric Ginsburg" ] Re: [support-system] Bowery Show [Kenneth Lee ] Re: [support-system] P.S. ["Orange Nish" ] [support-system] Re: Catherine "that kind of fan" [NegSplitz@aol.com] Re: [support-system] Re: Catherine "that kind of fan" [TitleTK@aol.com] Re: [support-system] Liz in New Jersey [C79helium@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 02:34:42 -0400 From: "Chris DeLisle" Subject: [support-system] Neil Young, Jen T. reference, virtually no Liz mention re: where she could play even songs we'd never heard before, not even on boots. Does anyone know of any artist that's done that for their fans? Played a diehards-only show? i don't know if it's quite the same, but i think Neil Young played a whole tour back of new songs in 1973, i think, without releasing any kind of album, and then released a live album of the tour. i could be wrong. re: Nice to see Jen get some (belated) credit. Better than nothing, Jase "better than nothing," eh? nice reference. as for Liz performing a show "where she knew she didn't *have* to play the hits," i think she'd really have to research her catalogue. she's written so many (great) songs, it sounds like she barely remembers the ones she doesn't perform. by the way, Ken, did she ever mention how she felt about all those WCSE outtakes being leaked out into the world? just curious. chris deLisle ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 07:01:44 -0700 From: David Trezza Subject: [support-system] No mo' vinyl? Have there been any vinyl sightings with the new material, 7" 12" LP promos? Damn Capitol is making it difficult to get my vinyl addiction fix. It's been 3 weeks since the SF Fillmore show and I'm still having trouble focusing on any music other than Liz. They flash her face on the VH1 Remember the 70's promo commercial and I practically just out my seat.... DT ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 11:25:31 -0400 From: "Eric Ginsburg" Subject: [support-system] Philly show? Are you going? Is anyone else headed to the Philly show? Electric Factory is a big place and I can't decide if I want to stand in the crowed or head up to the bar. :) - -Ginz _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 14:08:34 EDT From: NDisgize2@aol.com Subject: [support-system] Notable Quotes http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story& u=/nm/20030811/od_nm/odd_quotes1dc_dc_1 I dont know if thats good or bad.... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 11:41:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Al Madrid Subject: [support-system] Will Liz pose for Playboy? Sorry if this has been posted but there is an interview in Playboy.com with Liz and the writer asks Liz if she would pose for the Mag. http://www.playboy.com/features/dotcomversation/phair/ Also, a VH1 interview http://www.vh1.com/artists/news/1475887/080603/phair_liz.jhtml And about that WNBA ad spot for Extraordinary, right on! I'm a huge basketball fan and huge fan of the WNBA. That is too cool. Anyone know how I can view the ad or do I have to look for it on TV? Al __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 15:25:33 -0400 From: LilRussianGirl@aol.com Subject: [support-system] liz on rick dees anyone else hear wci? on rick dees yesterday at #14 or #15 - i don't recall. he said it had moved up one sopt this week. encouraging. maybe it is still on the move up. honestly, though, that's the first time i'd ever heard it played on the radio. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 17:28:26 EDT From: TitleTK@aol.com Subject: [support-system] Bowery Show Okay so though I would share with you a little about the Bowery Ballroom show last night. The crowd here was sufficiently older than at the concerts described by other list members (probably b/c it was sans Jason Mraz and 21+). Lots of preppy couples and pretty indie boys. The opening act was Patrick Park from Denver, CO and was a great opener for Liz. Just some good, solid songwriting and an acoustic guitar. When he left there was about forty-five minutes worth of guitar checking and rechecking and then the lights came down on us and up on the stage and suddenly there was Liz. Now let's say I was not prepared to fall under her spell. But my God, Liz holds an audience captive. She has turned into a true rock star in the best sense of the term. She was wearing black boots and a black see-through dress, with black panties underneath. She was also wearing a silver bracelet. You cannot take your eyes off her! Mostly b/c she does not take her eyes off you. She made direct eye contact with me multiple times and winked once. But she was doing it to everyone. Just absolutely amazing how she manages to be so giving when performing. She did not seem nervous at all and was having the time of her life. But the most impressive part was her guitar playing. She extended many of the songs past their album ending point and simply jammed with the band. This was something I've never seen her do. She played a decent mix of her four albums (though I hate that Whip-Smart always gets the shaft with only a one song representation). When she first came out she mentioned that playing the Bowery was a "dream come true" b/c when she was writing Guyville she would often go there to listen to bands." Before Glory she said "this is a song I wrote about Steve Albini" She played a few notes of Flower and then invited a girl to sing backup with her. It was fun to watch. But I don't like that this has become a sing-a-long song. And this is the only bone of contention I had with the concert. All of Liz's songs are now sung with this giant smile and with such enthusiasm it's easy to forget this is not how the songs were originally written. Flower and Fuck and Run really are angry, funny, and rather grotesque and have to be heard with a certain level of intensity to get the full effect. But it's a small quibble. She told the "lottery" intro again, which is just as stupid now as it was when I first heard it. Only this time someone yelled out. "You've already won the lottery" and she responded "The Happiness lottery, maybe." For the encore she came out all by herself and played Explain it to Me. She forgot a chord change at one part and everyone started to laugh. But this was a very moving rendition of the song. Probably the greatest moment of the evening. The band then came out but everyone in the audience started screaming for Stratford-on-guy. She turned to the band and then turned back and said "okay, but this could prove disastrous" and she played it by herself. After Little Digger she talked a little about her son and how much she misses him and how she spends her time on the bus reading Harry Potter. So, anyway, I didn't have a problem with her backup band. They were very inconspicuous, which I think works, since the night should be all about Liz. Any guitar solos were done by Liz herself. The only time she didn't play the guitar was on Rock Me and Favorite. Both of the songs show their transparency live, though and don't seem to fit with the rest of the set. Extraordinary and Red Light Fever on the other hand are very powerful and could have easily been a Guyville tune if I didn't no better. Okay, that's enough from me. The set list as best as I can remember is down below. And if you have any questions I'll do the best I can. 6'1'' Polyester Bride Help Me Mary Glory Never Said Uncle Alverez Divorce Song Red Light Fever Flower Johnny Feelgood Rock Me Favorite Supernova Extraordinary Perfect World Why Can't I Encore: Explain It To Me Stratford-on-guy Little Digger Fuck and Run james ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 17:30:47 EDT From: TitleTK@aol.com Subject: [support-system] P.S. I forgot to mention that at some point someone requested Shatter. She said that she was going to sit and re-learn that and Jealousy this week. So I'm hoping she'll be playing them by the time she gets to Chicago. james ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 19:29:20 -0400 From: Catherine Molanphy Subject: Re: [support-system] P.S. > From: TitleTK@aol.com > I forgot to mention that at some point someone requested Shatter. She said > that she was going to sit and re-learn that and Jealousy this week. So I'm > hoping she'll be playing them by the time she gets to Chicago. Someone requested Jealousy at VintageVinyl, too, and she said she couldn't even remember how to play it. I really love the fact that she's listening to the songs that people are requesting, and thinking about changing her set. And I'm beYOND happy that she actually played Stratford-On-Guy... which is definitely in my Liz top ten. (Now maybe I could convince her to do the "Look... look to your left, passengers..." part. Yeah right, I'll keep dreamin') - --Catherine ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 19:29:20 -0400 From: Catherine Molanphy Subject: Re: [support-system] liz on rick dees > From: LilRussianGirl@aol.com > anyone else hear wci? on rick dees yesterday at #14 or #15 - i don't recall. > he said it had moved up one sopt this week. encouraging. maybe it is still on > the move up. honestly, though, that's the first time i'd ever heard it played > on the radio. I'm so out-of-the-loop... is rick dees a nationally syndicated dj, or does he just air in one area? If so, where? I'm still wondering if WCI is being played on any of the NYC-area stations... - --Catherine ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 19:38:11 EDT From: TitleTK@aol.com Subject: Re: [support-system] P.S. In a message dated 8/11/03 7:23:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, catherinemolanphy@earthlink.net writes: << Now maybe I could convince her to do the "Look... look to your left, passengers..." part. Yeah right, I'll keep dreamin' >> It's so funny that you should say that, because while she was playing S-O-G last night all I could think of was the Girlysound version and how awesome it is. I often wonder why they cut it. james ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 20:25:48 -0400 From: Catherine Molanphy Subject: Re: [support-system] P.S. > From: TitleTK@aol.com > << Now maybe I could convince her to do the > "Look... look to your left, passengers..." part. Yeah right, I'll keep > dreamin' >> > > It's so funny that you should say that, because while she was playing S-O-G > last night all I could think of was the Girlysound version and how awesome it > is. I often wonder why they cut it. The way it was on GS, it's quite a weird little song. I adored it the first time I heard it (having already loved the EIG version, too), but I could instantly understand why she changed it. I just wish that now and again she'd resurrect that old version in her live act, for all of its glorious strangeness. It's a song that I've included on several mixes I've made for people. The opening guitar chords are so beautiful and spooky, it gives me the wiggles whenever I hear it. - --Catherine ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 17:48:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Emil Breton Subject: Re: [support-system] Bowery Show Thanks, James, for the groovy Bowery report. > Before Glory she said "this is a song I wrote about > Steve Albini" SHIT! If that ain't a revelation, I don't know what is. > Any > guitar solos were done by Liz herself. You mean solo performances, not actual "solos", right? As in, just Liz & her guitar? I have a hard time imagining Liz playing leads. I'm so jealous of all you people getting to hear "Stratford-on-Guy". I can't wait for the next time she comes around, hopefully it'll be an *actual* headlining tour. And I'd love to be able to wish her luck re-learning "Shatter" -- I'd tell her I suspect it's in drop-D tuning. :) Emil __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 18:10:52 -0700 From: Kenneth Lee Subject: Re: [support-system] Bowery Show Hi all, A couple of reports from the Bowery Ballroom show plus a link to pictures taken at that show are on the news section of Mesmerizing. Enjoy! - -Ken kenmlee@ix.netcom.com MeSmErIzInG - AnOtHeR LiZ PhAiR WeBsItE http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Club/2471/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 20:52:18 -0500 From: "Orange Nish" Subject: Re: [support-system] P.S. >I forgot to mention that at some point someone requested Shatter. She said >that she was going to sit and re-learn that and Jealousy this week. So I'm >hoping she'll be playing them by the time she gets to Chicago. If she plays "Shatter" in Chicago, I'll seriously cry, because I'm a big scary Liz fan. _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 22:17:08 EDT From: NegSplitz@aol.com Subject: [support-system] Re: Catherine "that kind of fan" Unfortunately, "fans" and money don't often mix - but when they do, it can be cool for both parties. Liz is wonderful, her music, etc as well..but to get a small room full of her fans remains a "wish list" scenario for many of us.. On the other hand, "big artists" like U2, the Stones, REM, Neil Young, and recently PJ Harvey, can "go money" and still connect with the die hard crazies like you..I have found out, in my over 30 years of concert-going, that "they", the artists, do want to connect, and will deliver "your songs.." but you have to let them know. Write letters (they read them), or submit email on the websites..clap loud at the concerts when the rarities appear..it can get very personal if you keep the "request line open"..I once wrote a letter requesting a very special song - a B sider - from a big artist, and got it! Give it a try! Cheers - Wes ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 23:14:54 EDT From: TitleTK@aol.com Subject: Re: [support-system] Re: Catherine "that kind of fan" In a message dated 8/11/03 10:18:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time, NegSplitz@aol.com writes: << .I once wrote a letter requesting a very special song - a B sider - from a big artist, and got it! Give it a try! >> . . . and from what I've seen, she's being very receptive to new songs. It's very brave to play a song that you don't know cold . . . and the sign of a true musician. One thing I am curious about it why she doesn't play anything from her new EP. It seems like Jeremy Engle would be great live. Also, why does Whip-Smart always get the shaft? The title song, Support System, Jealousy and May Queen are some of her biggest crowd pleasers. This may sound crazy, but if we took a consensus of songs we all really wanted to hear (but never do), let's say 5 songs that the majority of us could agree upon, and at every concert shout out just those songs . . . she would probably get the hint. The reason I think this would work is because there is definitely a common ground here, as the same couple of semi-rare songs get dissected over and over again (and with good reason). I think Shatter is certainly one, Nashville another, something from Girlysounds . . . Don't be so in Love with Yourself (especially since she told Emil they tried to redo it recently) or I Know it's not easy . . . What do you think? james ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 00:28:03 EDT From: C79helium@aol.com Subject: Re: [support-system] Liz in New Jersey In a message dated 8/9/03 11:46:04 PM Pacific Daylight Time, catherinemolanphy@earthlink.net writes: > Here is a link to said photograph: > http://www.angelfire.com/folk/superlungs/me_n_liz.jpg I went to the instore at Vintage Vinyl on Saturday & enjoyed her performance there. I'm glad to hear her play "Perfect World" & that the audience was there to help her make up a set list :) I saw the picture of the link & your lucky to be able to get a pic of you & her together cause the reps there were getting mad that people were getting pics taken w/ her & they really didn't want that to happen. What's funny about the picture is that I see part of the bag of the gift that I gave to Liz in the picture. It felt kinda weird being at the store carrying around this pink bag cause I had it like if it was a purse to me lol. Liz was very sweet to my friend & I when we got our cd signed by her & then she gave us a compliment about how she liked our style so for the next few weeks we're gonna just keep saying to ourselves that a kick ass rocker gave us a compliment. I will be at the NYC Roseland show & hope to have a good time there. -cana- "That I'm a little despot, short and stout, Here is my handgun, here is my crowd control, When you tick me off then the bullets fly out." "Don't come and play, I like to be on my own, don't miss me, people say I'm better off alone" liz phair ------------------------------ End of support-system-digest V6 #215 ************************************