From: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org (support-system-digest) To: support-system-digest@smoe.org Subject: support-system-digest V6 #206 Reply-To: support-system@smoe.org Sender: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk support-system-digest Sunday, August 3 2003 Volume 06 : Number 206 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [support-system] tabs ["Jillian Fry" ] [support-system] Dallas show review [davidcrider@comcast.net] [support-system] RE: another liz song? ["S - Kon" ] [support-system] Re: support-system-digest V6 #205 ["over pavema" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 01:00:19 -0230 From: "Jillian Fry" Subject: [support-system] tabs hello all! i've this list for a looong time. im a huge liz phair fan and have been for a while....i'm only 20 ....am i the youngest hardcore fan i wonder? hmmm.... anyway, just wondering what a good site is for liz guitar tabs. i can't find a good one. and are there tabs done up for the new album? also, i wanna get in on this trading bootleg thing. i am SO willing to burn off cds for any liz fan. i've been wanting girlysounds since back in the day. rock out with your cock out. jill ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2003 07:35:46 +0000 From: davidcrider@comcast.net Subject: [support-system] Dallas show review Dallas - Granada Theater Aug 1, 2003 Liz comes out about 8:50. She's wearing Blue jean shorts (no fish nets) with a greenish shirt and no hat (see review of earlier Dallas show). I'm kind of towards the back, so I couldn't make out what the t-shirt said. First off, Liz's guitar doesn't work. The tech messes around for a bit and it is fixed. Set list: 6'1" WCSE Stratford-On-Guy Mesmerizing Rock Me Never Said Little Digger Glory Help Me Mary Why Can't I? Johnny Feelgood Polyester Bride (after a bit of a false start) Divorce Song (with a guitar solo at the end) HWC (Liz said to cover the children's ears) Uncle Alvarez Perfect World Extraordinary Supernova no encore Liz didn't seem to be in a very good mood. She rarely smiled and there was virtually no between song talking or song intros. I don't think they were using a set list. Liz told the guitarist the song, who relayed it to the rest of the band. Her voice sounded great. The back up vocals were pretty good when I could hear them. The sound was pretty bad where I was standing. Details: Liz alternated between 3 Strats (red, brown and white). The lead guitarist used a Gibson hollow body for much of the show, but changed to a Strat for the Divorce Song solo and an acoustic for a few songs. Liz was stage center, lead guitar stage right, bass stage left, keyboards (Roland) on a platform stage right and drums on a platform stage left. I didn't much care for Jason Mraz. He's like a cross between Dave Matthews and John Maher, neither of whom I like. I left after about 6 songs, figured I'd give him a chance. He told a story about Liz, but I couldn't understand what he was saying. Something about Liz leading him on and then saying she was just kidding, I think. Liz got a really good response, but nowhere near the level of noise for Jason. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2003 04:03:14 -0400 From: "S - Kon" Subject: [support-system] RE: another liz song? >Subject: [support-system] another unreleased song? maybe.... >I just saw a new song listed for Liz Phair on Kazaa called "Harder to >breathe". I tried to download it but it was a .kpl file, which I have never >heard of and >seems dubious to me. If that weren't enough, the user logged off after I >got about 2kb. Just thought I would give a heads up to all Kazaa users. >Stacey I doubt it was a song at all...it was probably a virus. a lot of viruses get spread that way. xoxostacy _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2003 04:31:51 -0500 From: John-Paul Finger Subject: [support-system] A Liz Question for All So heres a question I thought of while both making a Liz mix for a friend and then completed on the drive home tonight/this morning: What is your favorite Liz song that doesn't instantly come to mind? Of course there are the Divorce Songs, the Fuck and Runs, the Flowers, the Supernovas, the Firewalkers, and the Perfect Worlds... the songs that instantly come to mind when someone asks about Liz. But what about the songs that don't instantly come to your head - what is your favorite Liz song that takes a listening to (or some sort of equivalent of).to come back into your head as greatness? Its not that its any lesser, its just got some sort of Mental block perhaps. For me its "May Queen." Whenever I make a Liz mix it winds up being one of the last songs added to the comp, but every time I preview the mix before giving it to someone it just comes over me how great of a song it is and how much I like it. Its kinda nudged at the end of WS and its hard to prepare yourself for another track after all the greatness you've heard (in my opinion of course). As an aside, What Makes you Happy really sounds like a song from LP. Its one of my favorite Liz songs but the vocal arrangement of it isnt far off from LP in my opinion. John-Paul Austin, TX (getting ready for the show - woohoo) NP: J Mascis - Free So Free ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 08:48:26 EDT From: AMDAmore@aol.com Subject: [support-system] Re: support-system-digest V6 #205 Hey,,,, I have a ticket to see Liz at the Electric Factory....is she just opening for Jason Mraz? In the paper, Jason Mraz is listed. On my ticket, Jason Mraz in huge letters. Am I a complete idiot? Alice ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 08:09:25 -0500 (CDT) From: Catherine Lewis Subject: [support-system] more Gina stuff. On Sat, 2 Aug 2003, support-system-digest wrote: > Exile in Whinerville > The hostility flung at Liz Phair's new record is senseless, sexist and > abominably stupid > BY GINA ARNOLD > Review at the Houston Press > http://www.houstonpress.com/issues/2003-07-31/music.html/1/index.html Can someone summarize what the sort of consesnus is on Gina Arnold's article? I know there was some discussion about it when it was published in the East Bay Express, but I got behind on some of my digests. Personally, I can't believe this article is being published in multiple papers. Actually, I can't believe Arnold is still being published at all (other than as a hate-mail-generator), after all tthe shitty journalism she's put out there, lack of fact-checking, and reviews of concerts that NEVER HAPPENED. Example in the Liz Phair article (please forgive me if this has already been discussed) -- "It's surprising to hear such bullshit coming from smart writers in places like the normally rational Times, rather than dumb writers from Conflict, Forced Exposure and Spin." 1) I wonder if she knows that Conflict is Gerard Cosloy's old 'zine. Even if she knew that, I wonder if she knows that Gerard, as head of Matador, is the one who originally signed Liz. 2) I also wonder if she realizes that Conflict and Forced Exposure haven't published issues in about 10 years or so. It's a mildly amusing image thinking of Gina Arnold sitting in her apartment waiting for the Forced Exposure backlash to hit. Catherine. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2003 04:18:33 +0000 From: "over pavema" Subject: [support-system] Re: support-system-digest V6 #205 someone provided a link to this vomitous newspaper article: >Exile in Whinerville >The hostility flung at Liz Phair's new record is senseless, sexist and >abominably stupid i read this review, top to bottom, because i really wanted to see the defense being mounted, and the assault being contructed against critics who don't like the new record. it's not worth spending a lot of time on, because, frankly, for all the writer's complaining that critics with negative reviews don't say anything about the music, her positive review doesn't say anything about the music, either. it is analogous to the speech in 'Animal House', which goes something like [i don't have the script, or the movie handy, so this is paraphrased): "Sure, we've made some mistakes, allowed our parties to get out of hand, made some ill-advised advances toward members the fairer sex [winks to the dean's wife]. We're human. But if you're going to indict us because of a few bad apples, well, gentlemen, then that's an indictment of the entire fraternity system! And if you're indicting the entire fraternity system, then you are indicting our entire structure of higher education. And if you are indicting higher education, then are you not also indicting the American way of life? Well, gentlemen, I, for one, will not stand here and let you run down the United States of America!" this because they trashed their house, drank themselves sick, killed a horse in the dean's office, and delivered the mayor's daughter home, drunk and passed out, in a grocery cart abandoned in the mayor's front yard. it's a great speech. and it is not sexist in the least to say that doug kenney, who wrote that speech, was a genius, while this newspaper writer is...well, not a genius. extrapolating from people complaining about an album and a publicity campaign to the notion that no one thinks a 36-year old woman has a right to enjoy sex or be seen in a sexual light, that's beyond whiney, and slides directly into pretty silly without passing GO or collecting $200. personally, i'm all for 36-year old women enjoying themselves. and i think the photo of liz on ken lee's gallery page, with liz in the sort of opened-up suit jacket, is very excellent. the photo of her on her knees with a faded cbgb t-shirt and parachute suspenders or whatever, that's sub-excellent. but that's the look capitol is really pushing. now, my personal fetishism aside, i'm sure some people would say that a 36-year old woman or mother shouldn't want or exude sexual feelings. and some people would also say that it's a good idea to marry 10 wives, at or near the age of puberty, keep them uneducated, and beat them if they disobey anything you tell them. but most people like that are not rock critics -- except the ones writing for the newspaper in colorado city, utah - -- and most rock critics are not saying it's wrong for liz to be sexual. they're saying it's a poorly-executed album, coupled with an unfortunate PR campaign that seems more likely to be the idea of some aging hipster doofus at capitol than liz's own. maybe they're wrong and they're giving her too much credit. and they're saying the same thing about the music [or maybe i should say 'the songs', since the 'music' is rarely something rock critics talk about on anyone's album]. that it sounds like someone worked very hard to bury liz's personality on several of the songs. and every lousy review i've seen clearly lists the songs that appeal to the critic. most like the last 2 songs, many like 'little digger', some like 'bionic eyes' or 'firewalker' or whatever. my final observation is that comparing the intellectual value of sheryl crow to, say, ricky martin, pushes this article pretty high up the ignorant-bullshitometer. if the idea is that no one should criticize liz or any other 36-year old woman for fucking up, then the houston critic should say that. i don't buy it, because i think 36-year old women can take perfectly good care of themselves, and can handle criticism, fuck-ups, and stumbles with grace and strength. suggesting that they can't take criticism when they do fuck up in some big, public way, is, itself, insulting and sexist. and, frankly, it's unpatriotic. because, what you're really saying is that americans can't take a little criticism, because they're weak and whiney. and i, for one, will not stand idly by while gina arnold bad-mouths the united states of america! o say can u c? _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 21:43:02 -0700 From: "nickn626" Subject: [support-system] Liz articles Salon.com from Aug 1 has an article on "mothers who rock" that features Liz as well as Corin Tucker, Linda Thompson, and one more I can't remember (but not Kristin Hersh). Also, the current Performing Musician magazine has a 2 1/2 page interview with Liz. ------------------------------ End of support-system-digest V6 #206 ************************************