From: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org (support-system-digest) To: support-system-digest@smoe.org Subject: support-system-digest V6 #196 Reply-To: support-system@smoe.org Sender: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk support-system-digest Thursday, July 24 2003 Volume 06 : Number 196 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Courtney [s.fried@ugrad.unimelb.edu.au] HWC [s.fried@ugrad.unimelb.edu.au] Insanity [AWeiss4338@aol.com] Re: Insanity [robert joyner ] RE: support-system-digest V6 #194 ["INMAN, DAVID B" ] wayback machine! [mr weatherbee ] Hurricane Elizabeth [Juvenilia@aol.com] [none] ["Jocelyn Horvath" ] SF show reports [Emil Breton ] Performing Songwriter inteview [Emil Breton ] smartasses of the world.... unite and take over ["dana p." ] Re: Note to Catherine [fallout@purdue.edu] Re: SF show reports [Kenneth Lee ] from today's The oregonian [robert joyner ] an old Liz article / picture from England [Kenneth Lee ] new-wave courtney [biskinikill@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 15:19:56 +1000 From: s.fried@ugrad.unimelb.edu.au Subject: Courtney >"INMAN, DAVID B" wrote: >could this be the last if kurt's songs? Anybody who's actually listened to Hole's albums would know that the songs were written by Courtney and her band. To suggest otherwise seriously discounts the musical abilities of Eric Erlandson, Patty Schemel, Kristen Pfaff and Melissa Auf der Maur, as well as the lyric writing abilities of Ms. Love (who I personally feel is a much better lyricist than Cobain was). Also, anyone who's familiar with Hole at all knows that the bulk of _Live Through This_ (including three of the album's four singles: "Doll Parts," "Violet" and "Softer, Softest") was being performed at their shows throughout 1991, before Kurt and Courtney were a couple. Anyone who's heard _Pretty on the Inside_ (again written, recorded and released before Kurt and Courtney were a couple) can clearly see how the same imagery and themes from that album have been repeated throughout Hole's work ever since. There's no mistaking Courtney's lyrics for anything other than her own.> Here, here Jase! I thought people saw through that whole "Kurt wrote Live Through This" bullshit years ago. Oh yeah, I forgot women could write excellent rock albums. Oh no, they've got to rely on their boyfriends/husbands (who of course are NATURALLY smarter) for that don't they? Totally agree Jase, heaps of the LTT songs can be found on bootlegs from shows much earlier to 1994, I've got one. I love how people conveniently forget that Pretty on the Inside existed (like in that GQ interview which said that Liz was better than Courtney cause she released double the amount of albums - HELLO! POTI and then there's also My Body the Hand Grenade if you can count an outtakes/demos/rarities etc album) and wasn't POTI a bigger album than Nirvana's first album anyway? Good to hear her new stuff is good Jase, am looking forward to it immensely and am hoping she'll tour here, which is much more likely to happen than Liz coming here. I don't know if anyone here is into Placebo but I saw! them last night and I never thought that I would say this but they kind of...sucked. The 2 other times I've seen them they were awesome but they played so much from their latest album (which from the sounds of things is as bad as Black Market Music) and NOTHING from their first album (which kicks arse and is produced by none other than Brad Wood). Did a Pixies cover though. Got the Tegan & Sara album and am absolutely loving it. Not as country as I was expecting, more rock/pop but great stuff, I highly recommended! Seeya, Sally ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 15:40:02 +1000 From: s.fried@ugrad.unimelb.edu.au Subject: HWC >What a dumb ho. That must be why she writes for a shitty little magazine, unlike me, who writes for an email newsletter. Wait. jeremy> Ok I understand you don't agree with/like etc the article but there's no reason to get all nasty about the person who wrote it. I do see her points and think it's possibly partly why Liz has gotten so much shit over this album but still, in my mind, the album is not good but I don't think the album's bad because Liz is an overtly sexual 36-year old Mum, I think it's bad because the songs themselves are bad! And Catherine I see your point about HWC but I'm still hoping she's paying out these "medical findings" cause quite frankly for all we know these "findings" are bullshit. And anyway obviously quite a lot of women work perfectly well without HWC. No need to apologise Catherine for a supposedly "feminazi" view there cause it wasn't at all and the whole "feminazi" thing is bullshit anyway ( I never knew feminism was all about fascism, please someone educate me ). Seeya, Sally ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 01:49:31 EDT From: AWeiss4338@aol.com Subject: Insanity Is a great song, and i wish Capitol would abandon the very weak WCI in favor of this being an off line single. It deserves it's online hit status. I hope it hits #1. Thanks to lurker Terri for sending me a copy. Andrea ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 05:37:46 -0700 (PDT) From: robert joyner Subject: Re: Insanity - --- AWeiss4338@aol.com wrote: > Is a great song, and i wish Capitol would abandon > the very weak WCI in favor > of this being an off line single. It deserves it's > online hit status. I hope > it hits #1. Thanks to lurker Terri for sending me a > copy. > Andrea I totally agree with andrea about insanity. For me, this song just blows away anything that was on the album proper. How come great stuff like "Bloodkeeper", "Waiting for the bird", and Insanity get the short shrift come album track listing time? One way to help Insanity's chart position out would be for all the pc folk who got the tune from ftp or other sources to find an apple itunes user on the list and send them $1 to download it. I did this with the fellow who hooked me up with a copy. supporting this stuff with $$$ will give the label incentive to offer other exclusives in the future instead of letting them sit on shelf collecting dust. i checked out the new download service buymusic.com (for pc's) but didn't see any liz exclusives. Seems to me that ecxlusives like live tracks and unreleased stuff would be the best way of generate traffic and encourage first time users. guess i'll wait for the itunes for pc users. robert ===== - ------------------------------------------------------------ Supernova Discussion Board http://supernova.board.dk3.com/2/ - ------------------------------------------------------------ __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 08:02:17 -0500 From: "INMAN, DAVID B" Subject: RE: support-system-digest V6 #194 actually, upon reflection, i fear i've bought into the hype - i own every hole and nirvana cd and love all of each, but am partial to early hole and the later nirvana - i think it's just a lot more fun to bash courtney than it is to give her props, i'm sure she'd agree. hell, i even named my dog after her. - -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Griffes [mailto:sgriffes@umich.edu] Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 9:31 PM To: support-system@smoe.org Subject: Re: support-system-digest V6 #194 >>could this be the last if kurt's songs? Are you still bitter at Yoko for supposedly breaking up the Beatles? > http://www.eastbayexpress.com/issues/2003-07-16/music.html/1/index.html This is a VERY interesting article...so many reviews/articles have been posted and i've been skipping the most recent batch because they all say the same thing. but this one is a must-read "in defense of Liz" article...if anything, just to balance out all the bashing. There is lots of BS included (what was that crap about liz's "spurts of creativity" in her youth? Huh?) and I am not sure if I buy her argument, but the writer does make many valid points that I didn't really consider before. steve ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 07:24:48 -0700 (PDT) From: mr weatherbee Subject: wayback machine! hey guys, some of you may have heard of this site before, but my friend told me about this site called called the wayback machine that actually archives pretty much the whole entire web from years and years ago! he sent me a link to his college website from like 1995 and i was amazed and wanted to see if my college website was still up there too, and sure enough it was! after browsing through my old site (and realizing how truly lame i really was back then) i realized that my old liz website, strange loop (which some of you may remeber if you've been on the list long enough)...cheesy graphics, rarely updated, bad writing and jokes and all ...was still up there! :) it really was cool to sit through and remember all the stuff i wrote about liz back in the day...like a trip down memory lane. so i thought if anyone cared to take a look at it, you might have fun too. half the pictures don't show up and many of the links are broken, but a lot of the text is still there (the links to the liz stuff is on the left) so if you wanna take a look, the link is at: http://web.archive.org/web/20010429031616/www.sas.upenn.edu/~george2/music/liz/ this site is pretty powerful cos it archives SOOOO much information, so in addtion to my old site, i'm sure you guys can fine a ton more old liz pages and reminisce just like i did (i saw they had a copy of ken's mezmerizing site from 2000 :)) or even find your own embarrasing personal pages from back in the day. but just thought i'd share my old site with you guys..have fun browsing around! :) matt Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 12:31:58 -0400 From: Juvenilia@aol.com Subject: Hurricane Elizabeth Hey everyone... Due to the recent flood of new non-album Liz tunes (i.e. comeandgetit EP, the new demos), I took it upon myself to make a new compilation of some of Liz's best non-album tracks. Consider it Phairities: The Next Generation. If the people on this list are interested, I would like to conduct a CD vine/tree. I will make five copies and send a copy each to five people on the list. Each person I send a disc to will in turn make five copies and send them to five people, etc. I would like for everone to have a copy who is interested. If anyone has CD-burning capabilities and would be interested in producing copies for other people on the list, please e-mail me privately at: robbie@waybelowtheradio.net Granted, I didn't have enough space to put ALL of Liz's b-sides on one disc, but I feel this is a good selection. Songs like "Blood Keeper," "Bars Of The Bed," and "Down" didn't make it only because I felt the sound quality of the versions I have wouldn't be up to par with the rest of my collection. The same can be said for many other songs you notice missing. If they're not here, chances are I just didn't have the space or feel they were already well represented on the WCSE demos, etc. All tracks have been either tested or edited to insure higher quality sound. "The Rapids Song" was edited with a fade-out filter since the only place I found it available was the version that is incomplete. The fade-out makes it appear to be the full track. And there's artwork too! Right now, only the front cover can be viewed at: http://artofthemix.com/FindAMix/getcontents.asp?strMixID=54365&format=CD Full artwork will be put online once I send the first wave of discs out. The resolution of the graphics will be set at a resolution of at least 300 so that they will print well on most ink-jet printers. Of course, with artwork, you're welcome to provide your own. The tracklist: 01. Greased Lightning 02. Don't Have Time 03. Animal Girl 04. Shallow Opportunities 05. Carnivore (raw) 06. Shirley MacLaine (w/ Ashtray Boy) 07. Headache (Tylenol Mix) 08. Stuck On An Island 09. White Bird Of Texas 10. The Rapids Song 11. Six Dick Pimp 12. Jeremy Engle 13. Hurricane Cindy (Saturday Version) 14. Turning Japanese 15. Rocket Boy 16. Freak Of Nature 17. Bouncer's Conversation 18. Red Light Fever (demo) 19. Erecting A Movie Star 20. Fine Again 21. Insanity 22. Whip-Smart (Single Mix) 23. Tell Me I'm A Liar 24. Hurricane Cindy 25. Carnivore 26. White Babies Okay, that's all for now. I'll keep the list updated on the progress of the CD vine/tree as it grows. Sometimes, Robbie http://waybelowtheradio.net/mttw/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 09:44:00 -0700 From: "Jocelyn Horvath" Subject: [none] [TABLE NOT SHOWN] - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 10:14:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Emil Breton Subject: SF show reports Really digging the show reports, esp. John "big hug" Kim's. Looks like she had a few "you like me, you really like me" moments. What a dweeb. I guess I'd be all teary-eyed, too, if I thought everybody hated me and then I played a show and it turned out everybody loved me like never before. Awwww. Can't wait to read more. Can't wait to see her on the 6th! The setlist looks okay, but I'm guessing (and hoping) she'll be mixing it up later on. I'm surprised to see "White Chocolate" on there (like, WHY?). Same with "Help Me Mary" (like, WOW -- that one hasn't been played since '95, and not with a full band since early '94). "Glory" should always be played, until the day she dies. "Stratford" should always be played solo (WOW again). I demand to know: did she play during "Mesmerizing"? Probably not. You people need to be more careful when you recap a Liz show. Every bit of between-song banter should be reported, and I need to know what songs she's playing geetar on. Also, take pictures and post them, and be quick about it. If you were writing for my paper, you'd be fired by now. just kidding, Emil __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 10:59:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Emil Breton Subject: Performing Songwriter inteview Everyone should read the Performing Songwriter interview. It is very satisfying indeed. Liz is always so brainy and interesting when the interviewer asks good questions and lets her fly. I've read many disparaging comments, like at the Velvet Rope, where people allege she's an overrated hack who comes across as an idiot in interviews, which just blows my mind. I mean, *clearly* she's one of the brightest lights in the rock chandelier. Reading her interviews is sometimes more fun than hearing the music, I think. Anyway, the interviewer asks her about the 'channeling' she does when she's writing songs: Liz: I kind of feel like there's more than one little entity in there, and sometimes it's a very sophisitcated thing that wants to craft for its own purposes, using maybe your life and experiences, but it's got points it wants to make. And sometimes I feel that it's more like a gentle, help-you-understand-things presence, 'cause it feels impersonal sometimes. It feels almost like I'm being rushed along. It's almost as if that presence is seeing my life and wants to make use of it, but isn't particularly nuturing. Almost like a male presence and a female. I'll go all the way with this and take it to science - -- and say that we've hit on the sort of male/female presence, possibly. If your brain is as sophisticated as many people believe, your early experiences of father and mother could set off in you different superegos that grow and develop along with the part of you that has to deal with your sensory influx. And that these superegos could grow and develop into sophisticated parts of you as well, but each trying to please different frames of perspective. And that's where they're coming from. PS: The channeling thing we've discussed is almost like writing on drugs. Liz: I feel like drugs are just like the act and practice of writing. It's just a way, a key to get you in there. Sometimes I feel like if you use too many to get to the zone, though, the person -- the commander-in-chief -- it gets annoyed. It's like, "You've exhausted me." It's almost a way to rub the bottle and get the genie to come out. That to me is the gateway to get to that consciousness. PS: Having said that, though, many people say that they can't write when they're on drugs. Liz: I can. But here's what I can't do: capture and wrangle the ideas that come flying down the pike. They come too fast, so I can't flush out one. It's that same enthusiastic beginning, no follow-through. It's almost like accessing the library and not being able to read or check out any books. But I do feel like when I do channel... it does feel not like some kind of mushy subconscious emotion; it feels like there's organization and sophistication, almost as if someone's playing with you. Maybe I'm schizophrenic. Oh, dreamy dreamy Liz. This is the part where I heave a sigh of pain... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 11:52:17 -0700 From: "dana p." Subject: smartasses of the world.... unite and take over [of course, many of us have smelled the bullshit since before the bootleg turtleheaded its way out of it's major-label bunghole, but assigning some sort of personality flaw to those fans who realize this record sucks is definitely taking it to a new level. ] hahahahaaa... i am framing this. 'cause no kidding. throughout this whole thing, with all the interviews, *more than once* i've felt like, "ya know, sweetie, it's probably better i don't know that's what you think." i was bitching about how she seems to think we're all just baby birds constantly sqawking to be fed. i've noticed more than a little "intellectual elitism" showing through, and i thought she'd be smart enough to at least cover it up in public (during interviews), but i guess if you're superambitious and hangin' with the hollywood scenesters it's cool to diss the masses. 'cause somehow that's what... your... public.. wants...(???). yeah.... she does't seem to realize this stuff gets published--does she figger she's just talking to some wonk journalist and you can just say whatever? i mean, hello in there.... i think it's been funny how she's now changing her tune a bit when asked about the matrix's involvement and the "sincerity" of these lyrics. she sounded like such the music politician before, just tryin' to get along. now it's like, "ok, yeah, i hate that part, too...." anyway, gina arnold.... oh my god, she used to write for the local paper in madison, wisconsin, called "the isthmus." wow, nostalgia.... this was in the 80s. and for the life of me i can't remember if her reviews were any good. it was a long time ago, for one, and, second, everyone and their mother was trying to write like christgau--or, if they were really ambitious--lester bangs. both street dealers and SmithKlineBeecham benefitted the most. for the rest of us--oy. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 12:36:02 -0700 From: ewest Subject: A few questions. Help. anyone know what the star symbol on Liz's guitar means? And what songs has she leaked??? and what is she planing to?? On Tuesday, July 22, 2003, at 08:14 PM, Dan MacDonald wrote: > as far as liz...i think with all the songs she has leaked - and all the > songs she is planning on leaking over the next few months ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 14:56:45 -0500 From: fallout@purdue.edu Subject: Re: Note to Catherine Please know that I hate you, a lot, for calling me out and being completely right and destroying all my credibility. More so. But look, in the interest of brevity, I hate H.W.C., loathe it, I would say, because it reminds me of the rest of the album, only with the word "cum," or "come," substituted for anything monosyllabic in the chorus. It's so much the same, to me, yet it tries to qualify itself entirely by being "naughty." And the "fuck" in the song smacks of overeffort, just as it does in "Why Can't I." It doesn't ring true, and more than that, it comes off as false, depressingly opaque. I know it's hard for a lot of people to go with that, especially the ones who got to clamor out of the fucking woodwork to explain and re-explain the Dorian Gray reference to all the idiots, but even that isn't really necessary. In the song, I mean. I don't know what we'd do without people there to explain things for us. But that's beside the point. The point is I got to say "vagina-equipeed Dick Clark" and mean it. jeremy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 15:17:43 -0700 From: Kenneth Lee Subject: Re: SF show reports Emil Breton wrote: >Also, take pictures and post them, and be quick about it. Cameras weren't allowed (says so on the tickets), but I know a few photographers from newspapers were there, and a few sneaky folk smuggled in their own cameras. And someone was smoking pot during the show -- I know you wanted to know that, Emil... More random things I remembered during the show: Liz decided to add "Help Me Mary" at the spur of the moment -- the shouts of requests from the audience egged her on. Someone requested "Jeremy Engle", to which she said, "Hey, that's a new one." Another comment I remember her saying was something like, "I've written so many songs... the problem is trying to remember how to play them!" Her comment about "H.W.C." - "If ya can't do it in San Francisco, where can ya do it? Not Charlottesville, Virginia, I'll tell ya that!" (thanks to Robert Joyner for the reminder) Someone in the audience yelled, "Fuck the critics, Liz!" Liz did play during "Mesmerizing". After "Mesmerizing", she mentioned this little tidbit (Emil should get excited): "Someone asked me what is that sound at the end of the song on the record. It was Casey holding a dog by its neck up to a mic. No, not me..." I'm sure I'll remember some more stuff in a while... - -Ken kenmlee@ix.netcom.com MeSmErIzInG - AnOtHeR LiZ PhAiR WeBsItE http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Club/2471/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 16:54:34 -0700 (PDT) From: robert joyner Subject: from today's The oregonian (Hey Dana, I agree with you on the bullshit intellectual eliteism that is often Liz Phair. I have always found that to be the case when reading pieces on liz. Note - You're not always the smartest person in the room, Liz, but you're just egocentric enough to think so. With that, here is another Liz interview that will make you want to toss your "Exile" vinyl in the fireplace.) - ----------------------------------------------- Liz is what she is 07/21/03 ED CONDRAN Kiss bassist Gene Simmons, perhaps rock 'n' roll's most prominent entrepreneur, once said that the cardinal rule in rock is to never alienate fans. "If they like what you do, don't change a thing," Simmons said. "You're taking a big risk if you do otherwise." With just one spin of Liz Phair's new album, "Liz Phair," it's evident that the diminutive singer-songwriter is taking a huge chance. The recently released disc, which comes 10 years after Phair floored the rock world with her acclaimed debut "Exile in Guyville," is dramatically different from that recording. And that departure has many Phair fans screaming that their Liz has morphed into Avril Lavigne. But the intelligent, sassy and sexy performer, who performs Tuesday at McMenamins Crystal Ballroom, doesn't care what her fans, critics -- or even old man Simmons -- think. Do you sense that your audience feels betrayed by this album? I guess. I can't imagine how they come to that conclusion. That says more about their lives than mine. That doesn't bother me at all. It amazes me that fans are so tied up with what I have written. Evidently I can't make everybody happy, and I'm not going to try. Some people's expectations of me are incredible. What are your fans' expectations? I feel so frustrated because a lot of what these people expect of me is to be either a spokesperson or a novelist. They forget a lot of what I do is musical. Nobody talks about the musical side of my work. They talk about the production style, the lyrical content. They dwell on the fact that I worked with the Matrix (which also produced tracks on Lavigne's best-selling "Let Go"). They say I'm wearing kids clothes. I'm not out there to please them. I'm out here to do what I do. I think fans should let go of the 24-year-old Liz Phair. Do you get the feeling from fans that they would like a repeat of "Exile in Guyville"? If I gave it to them, they wouldn't like it, either. Whenever someone listens to your songs it's akin to peeking in your diary. It feels as if the songs aren't allegories so much as slices of you. How accurate is that? Very accurate. Even more so as I get older. One of your new songs, "Little Digger," is one of the most affecting songs you've ever crafted. To write about your son finding you with a man other than his father for the first time . . . It was difficult. The song is about looking at how my life is no longer my own. He has every right to have a perfect life -- if I could give it to him. It's impossible because his parents are always making decisions. It was kind of like a wakeup call in the midst of my divorce. I needed to write that song -- how I understood the bigger picture and how much he must feel. He had to go through so much because of my inadequacies as a person. "Little Digger" is a heartbreaker. How long did it take you to play the song all the way through without breaking down? I couldn't play that song without crying for a year. What does your ex-husband think of it? I don't know that he's heard it. When we were together he didn't really listen to my stuff. I don't know if he would like the new record. He likes more indie stuff. What led you to the Matrix? It was sort of accidental. It wasn't planned out. I'm a real follower of my bliss. I wanted to record more songs. I recorded some beautiful songs with Michael Penn, but I wanted some songs that exuded exuberance. So many writers and fans are like, "She wanted to get on the radio, so she went to the Matrix." It wasn't like that at all. Sure, they did Avril Lavigne's "Complicated." They did a good job with me. A common complaint about the new record is that you're trying to write unabashed pop songs with lyrics that are too provocative. I don't think so. I think that has been my MO since (Phair's EP) "Girly Sound," way before "Guyville." I've always been interested in couching provocative, interesting things in a superficial, appealing tune. I like that dichotomy. People who accuse me of writing very commercial songs now with provocative lyrics don't know my body of work. Why are fans upset about you digging young guys in song? I have no idea. It's so funny because that's utterly ridiculous. There's nothing wrong being with a younger man. The best thing about younger men is that they appreciate you for who you are. They don't expect you to go to the dinner table and make them look good. They're respectful of what you do, as opposed to older men, who want you to look pretty, shut up and admire them. Would you get married again? I would love to get married again someday. It would be different this time. I would be much more cognizant of what it's about. I would be a better person. I used to think that you met someone, fell in love and then you married. If you get married, you better know the job description, and now I do. What kind of man are you looking for? Someone who makes me laugh. Someone who enjoys my personality. Someone who would not rule all over me. Someone who likes your new album? You can put that on the list, too. ===== - ------------------------------------------------------------ Supernova Discussion Board http://supernova.board.dk3.com/2/ - ------------------------------------------------------------ __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 17:15:13 -0700 From: Kenneth Lee Subject: an old Liz article / picture from England Attention Emil Breton, this one's for you... I've just transcribed an article from the October 30, 1993 issue of "Melody Maker" and scanned the accompanying picture (of Liz and her "merrie men" aka Brad Wood, Casey Rice and Leroy Bach). They're available for your viewing pleasure over at Mesmerizing. Enjoy! - -Ken kenmlee@ix.netcom.com MeSmErIzInG - AnOtHeR LiZ PhAiR WeBsItE http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Club/2471/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 22:18:01 EDT From: AWeiss4338@aol.com Subject: Rolling Stone.com Yet another Liz interview there. Nothing new but interesing. What is more interesting is the Aimee Mann interview there. A new album is in the works, for one thing. Has a couple of interesting things to say about Liz and The Matirx. Andrea ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 22:22:32 EDT From: AWeiss4338@aol.com Subject: Extra Aimee For those in the Philly area, she's playing there and Harrisburg PA later this week. The shows aren't sold out, so if you want to go, do it, gets better all the time. Andrea ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 19:54:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Emil Breton Subject: Oregonian interview That doesn't make me want to toss the vinyl into the fireplace (I'd rather get it autographed first, and then hock it on eBay), but it is annoying. Who the hell said Liz was making a mistake writing drrrty lyrics? She's always done that. The problem is that the lyrics on this album are among the most uninspired - -- no, wait, they are absolutely the most uninspired - -- she's ever written, and the music itself -- if Liz is so interested in talking about the musical side now - -- is conventional, unchallenging, and not nearly as catchy as it's supposed to be. Phair Lite! And she doesn't play an instrument (that faker). I don't think that's an unfair or short-sighted criticism. I think most people who dislike the album would say the same things, and have been doing so. The shit that these hack journalists (and Liz) keep coming up with in their lame defense of the album is ridiculous! If the album is so great, and the hardcore fans are such mean-spirited losers who can't see reality through their trendy-ass horn-rimmed glasses, then why not explain, for a change, what it is that's so fabulous about the album? No one seems to be able to do that, apart from saying, more or less: "If it feels good, it is good." That, and "I have to wonder if you have lives, you purist fucks." But the Comeandgetit EP redeems her, and all signs point to further soul-cleansing on subsequent releases, unless she's just too far gone now. So whatever. I'm already starting to forget the album, like a dream. I don't own it, and I don't care to ever hear it again. I look forward to hearing future albums and seeing her play live, though. So I'm happy. I just wish we'd start seeing reviews of Comeandgetit -- that shit is actually worth discussing. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 23:37:44 -0400 From: biskinikill@aol.com Subject: new-wave courtney i actually am not at all a fan of courtney love (well, ok -- i can't stand her), but hole as nearly new-wave? that sounds awesome! can anyone hook me up w/ the demos? i'd love to hear 'em just to reevaluate, and blahblahblah. > Anyone who's heard the demos of the _Live Through This_ songs knows that > that album was a hop, skip and a jump away from being a new > wave record. ------------------------------ End of support-system-digest V6 #196 ************************************