From: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org (support-system-digest) To: support-system-digest@smoe.org Subject: support-system-digest V6 #189 Reply-To: support-system@smoe.org Sender: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk support-system-digest Thursday, July 17 2003 Volume 06 : Number 189 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: support-system-digest V6 #188 ["Mike Katsoulis" ] Re: liz at tower (jewel) [Dewaine McBride ] Bitch mag needs you! (fwd) [Steve Rhodes ] Re: liz at tower (jewel) [TitleTK@aol.com] Casey Casem ["Jon Burk" ] Re: Mainstream/Indie [Al Madrid ] [none] [Steve Rhodes ] Louise Post on Liz/VS review [s.fried@ugrad.unimelb.edu.au] Re: support-system-digest V6 #188 ["sandra" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 01:23:08 -0500 From: "Mike Katsoulis" Subject: Re: support-system-digest V6 #188 <> yes - I asked her about this when I met her at the tower records in chicago last Wednesday. she said she is still thinking about doing it. mike ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 03:23:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Dewaine McBride Subject: Re: liz at tower (jewel) No, the "thing" is, rock music primarily serves two purposes: to make listeners feel like they are cool and smart, and to make money. Poverty sucks, even if you have a few dozen fans who are oh-so intelligent. And of all the money made selling recordings, what percentage do you imagine has gone to men vs. women? The Rolling Stones make money because, believe it or not, that is why they make music. Liz decided she deserves the reward for her talents, and has made the intelligent decision to ignore those who define their intelligence by their ability to avoid rock music that appeals to lots of people. - Dewaine > > Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 08:52:24 EDT > From: TitleTK@aol.com > Subject: Re: liz at tower (jewel) > > In a message dated 7/15/03 1:21:26 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > srhodes@well.com > writes: > > << But the attacks on liz are harsher perhaps because more is expected > of > her. >> > > This is exactly right. The thing is, Liz's fan base is more intelligent > than > your average crazed fans. I think she knows it and doesn't like it. > It's > also the reason many people get so defensive when someone doesn't like > the new > album . . . I'm gonna be frank here . . . some people just didn't get > EIG, they > don't understand the sheer irony of it, but get the straightforwardness > of > lines like "somewhere's a place in your heart." > > I think Liz tried to offend her fans pretty badly towards the beginning, > > trying to make us mad and abandon her, therefore leaving the record to > people who > either didn't know of her or needed a dumbed down version of her. > > Some guy said "what's attractive about Liz Phair is not what's between > her > legs but between her ears." How true that is. Only problem is that it's > what's > between your legs that sells . . . so Liz has to act dumber than she is > to > sell records. Reverse feminism? Maybe. > > james ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 03:39:46 -0800 From: Steve Rhodes Subject: Bitch mag needs you! (fwd) Sorry this is so long, but it is important. 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With gratitude, Lisa - -- Lisa Jervis Bitch: Feminist Response to Pop Culture PLEASE NOTE OUR NEW ADDRESS! 1611 Telegraph Avenue, Suite 515 Oakland, California 94612 510-625-9390/lisa@bitchmagazine.com/ http://www.bitchmagazine.com - --- end forwarded text ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 08:25:00 EDT From: TitleTK@aol.com Subject: Re: liz at tower (jewel) In a message dated 7/16/03 6:24:06 AM Eastern Daylight Time, dewaine_mcbride@yahoo.com writes: << No, the "thing" is, rock music primarily serves two purposes: to make listeners feel like they are cool and smart, and to make money. >> Not really . . . look at acts like The Breeders and Lucinda Williams, they are hardly racking in the dough, and have very little invested in trying to look cool. Of course, the actual music business is all about making money, but it isn't for all artists. Liz has made it very clear that it isn't about the music anymore . . . she's used those exact words. Many artists make a very decent living releasing music that doesn't appeal to the general population and are hardly poverty stricken. I do not avoid pop music, where did I say that? What I dislike are artists who feel as though they need to mold themselves into a particular image to make money. james ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 09:48:19 -0500 From: "Jon Burk" Subject: Casey Casem >>Is Casey Casem still alive? He actually died three years ago. But just like Prince, he has like 10+ years of voice tracks that they piece together for his shows every week. It really is quite an amazing technological feat! Jon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 08:45:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Al Madrid Subject: Re: Mainstream/Indie Catherine, that wasn't my intent at all and I don't mean to offend anyone but my point of "It's just music" was made because I believe the reviewers are taking things too far and being way to harsh with LP and way too serious and just need to mellow out. I love music and the music I listen to now, I realize will be added to this sorta anthology of music that has/is a part of my life and EIG and Whip Smart play a huge part in the recollection of my life between the ages of 23-30. The music I listen to now will do the same for me now that I'm in my 30s. I still have yet been able to come across an album or artist that has had such a profound affect on me the way EIG and WS did. I thought those EP songs would've done it (the are great) but it just doesn't have the right effect. Maybe because I'm older now? Of course I take the new album seriously. I really genuinely like it. I've been friggin obsessed, can't you tell? Sorry if it came out the wrong way. Al :) Please don't suggest that the people who find some pleasure in the new album do so because they don't take music so seriously. In my case, that couldn't be farther from the truth, and i'm willing to bet that's the case for many others on this list. Care about music/don't care about music is a false dichotomy. - - --Catherine __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 15:37:26 -0800 From: Steve Rhodes Subject: [none] This is from Bust magazine's email newsletter: Here's what's got those typing fingers flying in the BUST Lounge right now... "The first two weeks Liz's new album has been out, it's only sold 55 thousand copies. Liz Phair charted on Billboard's album chart at #27 last week. Ouch. It's starting to look like Liz's blanding out and dressing like an 18-year-old Brittney-wannabe has been all in vain. Anyone want to wager on how long until Liz sues to get off her current record label Capitol, since they've had a hand in wrecking her career? (I mean she was allowing the president of the record company to pick her clothes for a photo sho ot for goddess's sake!)" - scorpioboy, Liz Phair we hardly knew ye... http://bustline.c.tclk.net/maabghqaaZeKobbSk8ab/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 11:14:21 +1000 From: s.fried@ugrad.unimelb.edu.au Subject: Louise Post on Liz/VS review Greetings peoples, Went to a VS concert last night and got to meet Louise afterwards and I asked her about that Liz Phair would have done it better and she said that it was about a boyfriend telling her that Liz would have done it better than her and that she had forgotten about the song and that I reminded her of it! Then I asked her what she thought of the new Liz and she said that she was too scared to listen to it, that she had seen the new photos and then talke about how good an album EIG was and that Liz has never matched it and about how Chopsticks was the best song on Whip Smart and Chopsticks was supposed to be on EIG - then I asked her if she ever heard the Girlysounds tapes and she said she hadn't. She started talking about Jewel and about how she wasn't really a fan of Jewel's anyways but just was comparing her change in direction with Liz's and then I said about how in that GQ article Liz had to get Andy Slater's approval for what she wore on the album and then I basically told Lo! uise (sorry Liz) that the album was atrocious and go into it with really low hopes and then she said that she wouldn't bother checking it out. She said that Liz was really nice and that she met her when she was pregnant and because Liz is so skinny she just looked like she had a big basketball up her top or something like that. She kept on gushing about EIG though. She was really nice, really down to earth and cool, I wanted to ask her about Courtney and Bastard but by this point they were kicking us out of the pub. Also met the new GORGEOUS guitarist who was giving everyone a kiss on the cheek (which I personally didn't mind one bit) and I was kinda hovering near the new bassist and drummer but didn't say anything to them. A fellow support-systemer (Ally) I do believe went back to their hotel with them, haven't heard from her yet but I wonder if she asked Louise about Liz too? Anyways, the show itself was really REALLY good, I was quite close to the stage and Louise played! a new song solo that was supposed to be on Resolver, I can't remember what it was called but she said it was about her best friend who was addicted to painkillers (Louise said she got on them from her as well) and got blacklisted by all the pharmacies and told Louise that she had 3 choices: suicide, heroin or methadone and the song was about how Louise was just waiting to get the call that her friend had died but the friend is still alive from the sounds of things. Is anyone here into Tegan & Sara? I'm considering getting their album cause they're touring here next month and I'm thinking of seeing them. Any thoughts on them? Danke, Sally ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 22:36:17 -0500 From: "sandra" Subject: Re: support-system-digest V6 #188 > This is going to sound very pretentious, but I don't listen to the radio at > all. HA! this makes one pretentious? then i'm as pretentious as the day is long. i don't listen to the radio largely because in this godforsaken part of the country the only thing i can find is either in spanish or playing toby keith. i had to go to a record store listening station to finally hear "complicated" -- and that was only a few months ago. busy, isolated, chasing after a toddler ... but not pretentious. =) sandra ------------------------------ End of support-system-digest V6 #189 ************************************