From: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org (support-system-digest) To: support-system-digest@smoe.org Subject: support-system-digest V6 #188 Reply-To: support-system@smoe.org Sender: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk support-system-digest Wednesday, July 16 2003 Volume 06 : Number 188 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Liz Mp3 Subscription [ewest ] Re: TGI Fridays [Amber ] RE: TGI Fridays ["John Mullaney" ] Me again. [Al Madrid ] WCI played in NYC area? [Catherine Molanphy ] [none] [Erin ] mainstream/indie [Catherine Molanphy ] CAPITALS in article [Catherine Molanphy ] SATURDAY METRO TICKETS [SHERLY McLACHLAN ] Re: new Billboard article ["Orange Nish" ] Re: new Billboard article / extended metaphors [Catherine Molanphy ] Re: support-system-digest V6 #186 [Stephen Griffes ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 13:48:38 -0700 From: ewest Subject: Re: Liz Mp3 Subscription Anyone know or heard of Liz's MP3 subscription thing? replies are appreciated. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 14:00:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Amber Subject: Re: TGI Fridays Yeah, I heard it at the TGI Fridays in Oklahoma City about a month before the album was released. I don't think I've heard songs that new played in any restaurant. That made me think they were really going to push the album. But I have yet to hear WCI on radio stations around here (although I did hear Supernova on a really great station yesterday). And I still haven't seen the video (on tv anyway). *amber* __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 17:51:30 -0400 From: "John Mullaney" Subject: RE: TGI Fridays WCI is getting pretty good airplay in Boston on Mix 985 (WBMX). I have also heard it on WBOS. Amber, I sent you a drink from Boston's TGIF will see when you get it. John - -----Original Message----- From: owner-support-system@smoe.org [mailto:owner-support-system@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Amber Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 5:00 PM To: support-system@smoe.org Subject: Re: TGI Fridays Yeah, I heard it at the TGI Fridays in Oklahoma City about a month before the album was released. I don't think I've heard songs that new played in any restaurant. That made me think they were really going to push the album. But I have yet to hear WCI on radio stations around here (although I did hear Supernova on a really great station yesterday). And I still haven't seen the video (on tv anyway). *amber* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 15:00:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Al Madrid Subject: Me again. UGGGHH!!!! I reeeaaaalllllyyyyy want Liz album to take off. I reeeaaallly burn inside for this, if only for the satisfaction that it will make all those fuckin know-it-all critics eat their own spew! Its a solid album. I really, really like it and they are being way too, too critical and borderline biased in their reviews. Someone wrote: - ---------This is exactly right. The thing is, Liz's fan base is more intelligent than your average crazed fans. I think she knows it and doesn't like it. It's also the reason many people get so defensive when someone doesn't like the new album . . . I'm gonna be frank here . . . some people just didn't get EIG, they don't understand the sheer irony of it, but get the straightforwardness of lines like "somewhere's a place in your heart."--------------- Or some of us get them both. But maybe those of us who get them both get them both because we can cross over to both Indie and mainstream. Doesnt make us better. Thats just our preference. Man, if you knew me 5 years ago, I would never have admitted to liking mainstream music. It use to repulse me, but now Im like what the fuck? Its only music. Someone wrote: - -------------OK, I'm ignorant. So if it is being released to top 40 stations soon does that mean that in the near future I can hear Casey Casem playing Liz on his weekly countdown show soon?----------- Is Casey Casem still alive? Someone wrote: - -------------I wonder why none of these folks are buying the cd? 55,000 units sold to d-------- The way I look at it  and Im not predicting the album is going to take off or anything just hoping  is that sure for us, we know Liz Phairs music, but there are millions of mainstream radio listeners who have heard WCI and probably think she is a new artist or to them she is new or they've heard the name but nothing else. As I said in a past message, WCI seems to be a slow moving hit, but it is moving and catching on at least in the sense that more people have heard it and most of them seem to like it. Im hoping that ExtraO will be the song that prompts them to go out and buy the album. Id be curious to know how Michelle Branchs debut album started out on the charts. Sure Liz has been around a while, but she is a new mainstream artist. I hope she does well. As for the person who compared this album to MBs album which is out right now, dont forget that MB is a mega established mainstream artist. No one had to figure out who she was. Most mainstream radio listeners didnt know who Liz Phair was until this song. Will they like the new album? Who knows. Someone wrote: - ---------- be in goo heaven right now. really, i don't know why there's this personal-attack angle to most of these articles, describing fans of 'exile' as underweight, bad-skinned boys who slouch, and girls who find sylvia plath romantic. it's like they're saying, 'no one could not like this new record unless they're shlubs.-------- Well, the way I feel is that those of you who dont like the album or rather those critics who have written their dislike for the LP and get their reviews published, are waaaaay to harsh and exaggerating when it comes to reviewing it. Some guy from the L.A. Times gave LP 1 star out of 5. That is ridiculous. I would respect the review if he gave it even a 2, but a 1? No way! No friggin way it is a 1 star album. A 1 tells me the reviewer has something against the artist. Give Liz a 2 just on talent alone. Also, go onto Amazon.com customer reviews and youll see that the album is rated like 3.5 stars out of like 151 reviews and the only reason it isnt a four (like it is at yahoo) is that everyone of her 1-star reviews is coming from her established fans who continually say they prefer her old stuff and not from anyone new to her music. You guys are a little too harsh and that is why you get the personal-attack from such reviewers. The critics who don't like LP need to lighten the hell up. Al __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 18:09:25 -0400 From: Catherine Molanphy Subject: WCI played in NYC area? This is going to sound very pretentious, but I don't listen to the radio at all. Well, not for music. Can anyone who lives in the NY/NJ area tell me if you've heard WCI on the radio? If you have, which stations? - --Catherine ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 17:36:42 -0500 From: "Gabrielle Rysula" Subject: Billboard article Thanks so much for including this! I couldn't find it when I was on the Billboard site, and I posted last week asking for it because I sat next to Todd at a wedding and he told me about his interview and how much he hated the album, so I was curious to see what he wrote. It wasn't as bad as I thought it would be; it is actually quite fair to her and really sort of blames the label. This is the first I have heard her criticize the album, which is interesting considering the lengths she has gone to protect it in earlier pieces we have seen here. Thanks again! Gabrielle ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 15:44:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Erin Subject: [none] "Don't if people saw this but this guy isn't exactly on Liz's side. I'm still a fan. Scott" ***Well, if Liz Phair didn't commit career suicide with her ALBUM, she CERTAINLY has with her letter in Sunday's "New York Times". Make no mistake, Liz Phair is twisting slowly in the wind. But is it HER FAULT??**** Was it just me, or did anyone else laugh hysterically and then want to vomit when reading this article? What I am trying to SAY is that THIS GUY really should have LAID off of the UPPERCASE LETTERS! The author of the article did do that, right? I mean, seriously, what the fuck? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 18:58:25 -0400 From: Catherine Molanphy Subject: mainstream/indie > From: Al Madrid > Subject: Me again. > Or some of us get them both. But maybe those of us > who get them both get them both because we can cross > over to both Indie and mainstream. Doesnt make us > better. Thats just our preference. Man, if you knew > me 5 years ago, I would never have admitted to liking > mainstream music. It use to repulse me, but now Im > like what the fuck? Its only music. I'm like you in that I straddle the fence... I like music regardless of its category... I'm into the sound of a song, not the stance. The reason I dislike almost all mainstream music is because I hate the way it *sounds*; the music, for the most part, does not make me happy. But if a particular song *did* make me happy, I wouldn't give a fly's behind if it were in heavy rotation on Hot97 (NYC station) or not. I just happen to tend to like shallow pop songs from 20 and 30 years ago, not the ones of today. It doesn't make me deeper or smarter or better, it's just a leaning I have. But Al, IMO, you ruined that paragraph by ending it with "It's only music." Not at all, not at all. Music is *every*thing to me, whether it be a great Liz Phair song like "Stratford-On-Guy" or a silly pop song from the '60s like... oh, say... Dion's "Runaround Sue". They make me feel in different ways, but still they make me *feel*. That's not an "only" anything... that's the warp and the woof of life. (sorry... that was corny) Please don't suggest that the people who find some pleasure in the new album do so because they don't take music so seriously. In my case, that couldn't be farther from the truth, and i'm willing to bet that's the case for many others on this list. Care about music/don't care about music is a false dichotomy. - --Catherine ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 19:01:10 -0400 From: Catherine Molanphy Subject: CAPITALS in article From: Erin > Was it just me, or did anyone else laugh hysterically and then want to vomit > when reading this article? What I am trying to SAY is that THIS GUY really > should have LAID off of the UPPERCASE LETTERS! It was so poorly written I didn't even have the energy to criticize it at the time. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 18:02:08 -0700 (PDT) From: SHERLY McLACHLAN Subject: SATURDAY METRO TICKETS Wasn't someone looking for Saturday tickets? I just checked and they are still available at ticket master. P.S. # 15 on Vh1"s top 20 today!!! Later Lor SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 20:47:27 -0500 From: "Orange Nish" Subject: Re: new Billboard article >This is a great read Thanks for posting it, I think it's one of the best Liz articles I've read in a while. >"There was a period before I was working with the >"I'm in a win-win situation," Phair says. "If this >record goes, I can do things on my own. But if this >record doesn't go, then Capitol will drop me because >of the amount of money they've spent on it, and I can >go to an indie." Hmmm ... interesting. " ... It might sound a little bit like Avril >Lavigne, but the subject matter is nothing like >Avril." Ha! "Sound" like her? "WCI" is "Complicated," minus the lyrics. (Don't get me wrong, I strangely like "Complicated," but I don't enjoy being ripped off by the Matrix.) >Phair didn't always win her arguments with the Matrix. >The song "Favorite," for instance, features a chorus >in which Phair repeatedly compares her lover to an >undergarment. >"That chorus makes me choke a little," she says. "The >Matrix fought really hard, and they won. Good, I'm glad she thinks it stupid, too. >The L.A. Weekly, >for instance, ran an unprecedented four reviews of the >set, and a general consensus was still not reached. Has someone posted this already? I'll have to go dig it up, because it sounds very interesting. >The artist says she hopes to release more songs via >her Web site throughout the year. She better --- and they better work! _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 22:11:45 -0400 From: Catherine Molanphy Subject: Re: new Billboard article / extended metaphors From: "Orange Nish" >> Phair didn't always win her arguments with the Matrix. The song "Favorite," >> for instance, features a chorus in which Phair repeatedly compares her lover >> to an undergarment. "That chorus makes me choke a little," she says. "The >> Matrix fought really hard, and they won. > > Good, I'm glad she thinks it stupid, too. Ditto. Nice to know she's not responsible for that particular piece of inanity. But I seem to be noticing a proliferation of lyrics containing metaphors carried too far. I love the sound of "Take A Look", but the analogy to rubbernecking feels a little forced. "Favorite" is definitely the worst offender. Even "Red Light Fever", which I'm really grooving on, has a touch of this syndrome. - --Catherine ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 22:56:45 -0400 From: Catherine Molanphy Subject: Re: new Billboard article / extended metaphors > But I seem to be noticing a proliferation of lyrics containing metaphors > carried too far. I just thought of another one... that abbreviated track from those "rough cuts"... the one that talks about the rapids, you're going upstream, or something like that. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 23:00:38 EDT From: TitleTK@aol.com Subject: Re: new Billboard article / extended metaphors In a message dated 7/15/03 10:05:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time, catherinemolanphy@earthlink.net writes: << Even "Red Light Fever", which I'm really grooving on, has a touch of this syndrome. >> It seems like a lot of people are really getting into this song -- myself included. Why do I think it's so good? I feel it sounds like a filler ballad on an ABBA record that you always skip just get to Mamma Mia or Dancing Queen. Yet, the lyrics intrigue me. I can't get past thinking this song is about Liz's music career. "So many people want so many things that you only want to forget." I realize she denies it, but in the respect of her career I think the song is heartbreaking. In respect to a relationship, I find it nauseating. james ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 20:16:27 -0700 (PDT) From: SHERLY McLACHLAN Subject: Re;New billboard article Hi All, I definantly found myself breathing a sy of relief after reading her comments about working with the Matrix. She isn't singing this tune now though. I guess she has to play the good little record company girl and say nice things. When was this article dated? I for one am ruding for her. She deserves it. I would rather hear Liz radio tunes anyday over the other crap they play. After hearing the EP and now reading this article it doesn't sound like there will be another atempt at superstardom. Have a good one! Lor SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 23:45:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Stephen Griffes Subject: Re: support-system-digest V6 #186 > out of her anyway. (Well, okay, *I* don't expect much out of her.) Jewel was > *always* just posing at being "indie" and thoughtful and insightful, so her when did jewel pretend to be indie? OH WAIT she does have all those stories about how she lived in her car even though her family was wealthy. that's about as indie as it gets. > 1) That's the most Sheryl Crow-looking photograph of Liz Phair I've ever s Haha! that is hilarious! oh, you can even see her trademark mole! i mean beauty mark! That was the worst article ever! His theory is that former lilith queens are resorting to poppier music because Britney isn't in the spotlight right now? whatever, dude! > Okay, now I like this song a LOT. The production on LP is a little too > sweetly slick, but it doesn't completely ruin it. I think I'd like to hear > all SIX differently produced versions. im with you. Red Light Fever is one of the few songs i really like on the new album. It is one of the songs that i think is an actual good pop song (which is sad, because it hints that Liz IS capable of making a kickass pop album). i also find the production on the LP version too saccharine, but I think there is a real gem in there and I am really looking forward to hearing her perform it live (that and "Love/Hate", which makes me wanna shake my ass even though the lyrical content is awful). i think Rock Me is hilarious. until "I've been waiting all my life for this feeling"...that is the line that kills it for me. it really comes across as sincere instead of sarcastic. what a way to make a funny and empowering song completely pathetic. steve. ------------------------------ End of support-system-digest V6 #188 ************************************