From: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org (support-system-digest) To: support-system-digest@smoe.org Subject: support-system-digest V6 #179 Reply-To: support-system@smoe.org Sender: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk support-system-digest Tuesday, July 8 2003 Volume 06 : Number 179 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: friend of mine [Catherine Molanphy ] Re: from today's boston globe [Catherine Molanphy ] unknown tracks [Erin ] RE: Aussie release OT ["trent [hardcore since '74l]" ] Interpretations (fwd) [Ray ] Interpretations (fwd) [Ray ] Interpretations (fwd) [Ray ] Bonnaroo trade anyone? [Jason E Tingle ] lil' digger [carrma@wellsfargo.com] unrealeased tracks [LilRussianGirl@aol.com] Re: Subject: guys, it's just pop music [LilRussianGirl@aol.com] Just pop music?! ["Gabrielle Rysula" ] liz merchandise at shows and XRT exclusive [LilRussianGirl@aol.com] Re: liz merchandise at shows and XRT exclusive [Andrea Uptmor ] Lisa/Bennett [Catherine Molanphy ] 3 Chicago Shows? [SHERLY McLACHLAN ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 02:53:22 -0400 From: Catherine Molanphy Subject: Re: friend of mine Dan McDonald wrote: > just the whole "it's been so long since you've been a friend of mine......what > happend? when did you let go of me..." etc... the lyrics are just so plain - > it reminds me of the directness on exile in guyville that i loved so much. > just plain, simple and to the point. Yes... I probably should have said "plain & straightforward" instead of "nothing special". And yes, it does hearken back to a bit of the simplicity on EIG... "I always wanted you... I only wanted more than I knew." Simple words can be just as shattering (forgive the pun) as weird ones when they're cunningly woven into the melody. - --Catherine p.s. Sorry, Dan, for the double-send. I'll get the hang of this again soon, I swear. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 03:08:11 -0400 From: Catherine Molanphy Subject: Re: from today's boston globe > By Matthew Gilbert, Globe Staff, 7/6/2003 > > When Jefferson Airplane sang ''Life is change, how it > differs from the rocks'' back in 1968, it had uptight > squares -- and not Liz Phair -- in mind. My two musical obsessions in the same paragraph!! HURRAH!!! :slinks back to her hovel: - --Catherine ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 21:57:39 +1000 From: Brian Cooper Subject: Aussie release I only thought of picking up the new album today when I was parking at a mall and heard Avril Levigne on the radio. It's a sad day when I need that sort of prompting. It was discounted for first day of release at HMV so I picked it up. As I was walking past the "V" selection, I couldn't help noticing a similarity in Liz's look to that of Holly Valance, a local pop princess. Anyway, I eventually got home and slapped the album on. Don't love it, don't hate it. It's just ear candy, which is exactly what I thought of Tori Amos' latest release, "Scarlet's Walk". It's something light and airy you can put on in the background and it won't challenge you to sit down and listen, but I did anyway. Probably the most annoying song for me was "It's Sweet". I was liking "Rock Me" until the chorus, can totally see what some of the women here are saying about "Little Digger", really dug "Love/Hate" and can see why everyone gets "H.W.C." stuck in their heads (no pun intended). The album certainly is pop and it seems a logical extension of WCSE. I really don't think I've heard so many uses of the word "baby" in an album since Debbie Gibson. Can't wait until I get near a high speed internet connection to hear the EP after what everyone's said about those tracks. Brian ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 07:42:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Erin Subject: unknown tracks I am so lost... I looked through my other digests and nowhere could I find a link to this. Can someone help? Thanks, Erin SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 11:40:49 -0400 From: "trent [hardcore since '74l]" Subject: RE: Aussie release OT Wow ... I would not call Scarlet's Walk ear candy by any stretch of the phrase ... I think that album is one of Tori's best ... - -----Original Message----- From: owner-support-system@smoe.org [mailto:owner-support-system@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Brian Cooper Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 7:58 AM To: support-system@smoe.org Subject: Aussie release It's just ear candy, which is exactly what I thought of Tori Amos' latest release, "Scarlet's Walk". It's something light and airy you can put on in the background and it won't challenge you to sit down and listen, but I did anyway. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 11:54:47 EDT From: HauntedIcicle@aol.com Subject: Re: Scarlet's Walk (was: Aussie release OT) In a message dated 7/7/2003 11:41:53 AM Eastern Daylight Time, pitchAtrent@yahoo.com writes: > I would not call Scarlet's Walk ear candy by any stretch of the > phrase ... I think that album is one of Tori's best ... I completely agree! It's a beautiful album and one of my all-time favorites. ~Tilly ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 13:34:02 -0400 From: "Daaaaan Theman" Subject: Friend of Mine/ Fantasize Did anyone else pick up on this connection? The first line of "Fantazize" is "He's a friend of mine", and in "Friend of Mine" she sings "It's been so long since you've been a friend of mine". "Fantasize" was most likely about her husband because of when it was written/ released, and "Friend of Mine" is clearly a break up song. Pretty interesting huh? I think "Friend of Mine" is a blatant response to "Fantasize". Didn't Liz say that people weren't really "listening" to her record? She's so right. -daniel - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 18:18:39 +0000 (UTC) From: Ray Subject: Interpretations (fwd) Lyrically, I think the CD is very strong. I think people are missing the point of the CD, probably because of the over production. Liz has a good voice and writes great lyrics. The CD production distracts from her strengths. Once you get past the production and get into its substance, the CD has quite a bit to offer. This CD is about dating at 35 after a marriage and a kid. Some of you perhaps haven't experienced this, but she pretty well hits the nail on the head. It is an odd experience. The first two songs are about the conflicting emotions of a breakup. "Extraordinary"--this is the kind of self-affirming mental crap supposedly helpful while your entire life is flushed down a toilet. "Red light fever"--her lover is out somewhere and she is at home trying to understand what to do. Lyrically, the song is fantastic. If you have been through this, the lyrics are precisely on point. The music, though, doesn't fit. It is like trying to put high heel spikes on a football player. The next four songs are about falling in lust with someone and having a fling. "Why can't I" is almost exactly how confusing the experience is...a mature 30+ adult shouldn't fall so stupidly in love, but it happens. The music is OK. "Its sweet" is great. She is suddenly being tossed into a situation where she is having sex in the "dirtiest apartment in town" while both pretend to be in love. "Rock me" is pretty self explanatory...good, clean sex with someone who is not self-aware. Basically, she is describing sex with a human vibrator. "Take a look"--the fling has ended, and she is talking about it perhaps with a friend. The CD then turns to the "dating life and how my ex figures into it." "Little Digger"--pretty self explanatory "Firewalker"--this is a tough song to figure out. If it fits within the theme, then this is about her and her ex, but who knows? "Favorite"--A song smothered by over production...a little leaner, and this would be a classic. I'm sure some of you have had a love affair you can't quite stop even though you know the relationship is going nowhere. Great idea, great lyrics, great hook... but the music? "Love/hate"--kind of "what the hell is wrong with me? What the hell is wrong with you? what is wrong with everyone"? "HWC"--a really great jingle with a touch of reality--yes, sex is good for the complexion. The music beautifully supports the theme of the lyrics--sex is trivialized to the point of being a substitute for clearasil. "Bionic Eyes"--clearly, someone has spent too many nights on the prowl at the bars. She can't fell anymore, but she can fake it forever. "Friend of Mine"--I think this is sung to her ex. "Good love never dies"--a very ironic song...in love with someone, but she is so worried about keeping the relationship alive that she can't enjoy it. Lyrically the CD is great. The failure is with the music. The music doesn't create a mood which reinforces the theme of the lyrics. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 18:20:04 +0000 (UTC) From: Ray Subject: Interpretations (fwd) Lyrically, I think the CD is very strong. I think people are missing the point of the CD, probably because of the over production. Liz has a good voice and writes great lyrics. The CD production distracts from her strengths. Once you get past the production and get into its substance, the CD has quite a bit to offer. This CD is about dating at 35 after a marriage and a kid. Some of you perhaps haven't experienced this, but she pretty well hits the nail on the head. It is an odd experience. The first two songs are about the conflicting emotions of a breakup. "Extraordinary"--this is the kind of self-affirming mental crap supposedly helpful while your entire life is flushed down a toilet. "Red light fever"--her lover is out somewhere and she is at home trying to understand what to do. Lyrically, the song is fantastic. If you have been through this, the lyrics are precisely on point. The music, though, doesn't fit. It is like trying to put high heel spikes on a football player. The next four songs are about falling in lust with someone and having a fling. "Why can't I" is almost exactly how confusing the experience is...a mature 30+ adult shouldn't fall so stupidly in love, but it happens. The music is OK. "Its sweet" is great. She is suddenly being tossed into a situation where she is having sex in the "dirtiest apartment in town" while both pretend to be in love. "Rock me" is pretty self explanatory...good, clean sex with someone who is not self-aware. Basically, she is describing sex with a human vibrator. "Take a look"--the fling has ended, and she is talking about it perhaps with a friend. The CD then turns to the "dating life and how my ex figures into it." "Little Digger"--pretty self explanatory "Firewalker"--this is a tough song to figure out. If it fits within the theme, then this is about her and her ex, but who knows? "Favorite"--A song smothered by over production...a little leaner, and this would be a classic. I'm sure some of you have had a love affair you can't quite stop even though you know the relationship is going nowhere. Great idea, great lyrics, great hook... but the music? "Love/hate"--kind of "what the hell is wrong with me? What the hell is wrong with you? what is wrong with everyone"? "HWC"--a really great jingle with a touch of reality--yes, sex is good for the complexion. The music beautifully supports the theme of the lyrics--sex is trivialized to the point of being a substitute for clearasil. "Bionic Eyes"--clearly, someone has spent too many nights on the prowl at the bars. She can't fell anymore, but she can fake it forever. "Friend of Mine"--I think this is sung to her ex. "Good love never dies"--a very ironic song...in love with someone, but she is so worried about keeping the relationship alive that she can't enjoy it. Lyrically the CD is great. The failure is with the music. The music doesn't create a mood which reinforces the theme of the lyrics. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 18:20:46 +0000 (UTC) From: Ray Subject: Interpretations (fwd) Lyrically, I think the CD is very strong. I think people are missing the point of the CD, probably because of the over production. Liz has a good voice and writes great lyrics. The CD production distracts from her strengths. Once you get past the production and get into its substance, the CD has quite a bit to offer. This CD is about dating at 35 after a marriage and a kid. Some of you perhaps haven't experienced this, but she pretty well hits the nail on the head. It is an odd experience. The first two songs are about the conflicting emotions of a breakup. "Extraordinary"--this is the kind of self-affirming mental crap supposedly helpful while your entire life is flushed down a toilet. "Red light fever"--her lover is out somewhere and she is at home trying to understand what to do. Lyrically, the song is fantastic. If you have been through this, the lyrics are precisely on point. The music, though, doesn't fit. It is like trying to put high heel spikes on a football player. The next four songs are about falling in lust with someone and having a fling. "Why can't I" is almost exactly how confusing the experience is...a mature 30+ adult shouldn't fall so stupidly in love, but it happens. The music is OK. "Its sweet" is great. She is suddenly being tossed into a situation where she is having sex in the "dirtiest apartment in town" while both pretend to be in love. "Rock me" is pretty self explanatory...good, clean sex with someone who is not self-aware. Basically, she is describing sex with a human vibrator. "Take a look"--the fling has ended, and she is talking about it perhaps with a friend. The CD then turns to the "dating life and how my ex figures into it." "Little Digger"--pretty self explanatory "Firewalker"--this is a tough song to figure out. If it fits within the theme, then this is about her and her ex, but who knows? "Favorite"--A song smothered by over production...a little leaner, and this would be a classic. I'm sure some of you have had a love affair you can't quite stop even though you know the relationship is going nowhere. Great idea, great lyrics, great hook... but the music? "Love/hate"--kind of "what the hell is wrong with me? What the hell is wrong with you? what is wrong with everyone"? "HWC"--a really great jingle with a touch of reality--yes, sex is good for the complexion. The music beautifully supports the theme of the lyrics--sex is trivialized to the point of being a substitute for clearasil. "Bionic Eyes"--clearly, someone has spent too many nights on the prowl at the bars. She can't fell anymore, but she can fake it forever. "Friend of Mine"--I think this is sung to her ex. "Good love never dies"--a very ironic song...in love with someone, but she is so worried about keeping the relationship alive that she can't enjoy it. Lyrically the CD is great. The failure is with the music. The music doesn't create a mood which reinforces the theme of the lyrics. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 15:16:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Jason E Tingle Subject: Bonnaroo trade anyone? Hi, I just got a copy of Liz's Bonnaroo set if anyone is interested in a trade. Nice show, not much audience noise either, plus she doesn't play Why Can't I. Also Liz totally messes up during 6'1". I'm looking for non-mp3 sourced shows only. Especially the complete girlysounds demos(the 2 disc set) as well as other 2003 stuff. I also have her 5-31-03 Palladium show and On the Edge 95' radio show, if anyone is interested in those. The 2003 shows are unusually good, I guess Liz knows her new album is horrible because she is limiting her sets to only 2 new songs. Here is the source info on the Bonnaroo. Contact me off list please. Liz Phair Bonnaroo Music Festival "This Tent" Manchester, TN June 14th, 2003 Taper: Chris Berryman Source: (DFC/FOB) Josephson C-42mp (XY)->MP-2->D100 @44.1khz Transfer: A6->Datport->P3-550mhz->CDWav->mkwAct>SHN 01 - Intro 02 - Glory 03 - Johnny Feelgood 04 - Divorce Song 05 - Rock Me 06 - Uncle Alvarez 07 - Supernova 08 - Stratford-On-Guy 09 - 6'1" 10 - Fuck and Run 11 - Extraordinary 12 - Perfect World ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 12:26:33 -0700 From: carrma@wellsfargo.com Subject: lil' digger I don't have kids but I really dig this song, too. Little Digger feels like it is the most honest song on the album. It really evokes the conflicted emotions of her situation. I can't believe a reviewer called it condescending toward her son, it sounds as if Liz is very aware and understanding of what her son is feeling. I like how Firewalker turned out. I never really listened to the demo of this song, but I think that's the album track I've listened to most. Love/Hate Transmission.... hmmm. I liked that better as a jam that I couldn't make out the lyrics to! All in all I would have to say I thoroughly enjoy about half of the album. The ep and itunes track make up for the other half of the album. It is really a shame that that ep wasn't given a proper release--hopefully any cd singles this album spawns will have bonus tracks of the same quality as the ep. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 16:35:05 EDT From: LilRussianGirl@aol.com Subject: unrealeased tracks Hey - What happened to the unreleased tracks? I couldn't download them over the weekend and now that I can they appear to be gone. Help!!!! Can someone email them to me if they have been taken down? Maybe I could trade you something in return.... Thank you.... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 16:41:19 EDT From: LilRussianGirl@aol.com Subject: Re: Subject: guys, it's just pop music In a message dated 7/6/2003 6:45:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, jefkearns@hotmail.com writes: > Ionian scale What is this? Sorry for my musical ignorance... (Actually, coincidentally, my grandpa has just been diagnosed with cancer, and it's been pretty devastating.) Just wondering. Thanks. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 15:57:42 -0500 From: "Gabrielle Rysula" Subject: Just pop music?! This is Greg Kot's article in Sunday's Chicago Tribune, and I think it ties in very well with the "it's just music" thread we have all been spinning. _______________________________________________________________________________________ Of all the definitions of the word "surprise," the one that I like the best is this one: "Overcome, overpower (the mind, the will, the heart); captivate." I live for those moments on my job, when my mind, will and heart are invaded by the unexpected: Seeing an obscure Seattle trio named Nirvana for the first time with a few dozen other people, and leaving awed by the singer's self-destructive fury; watching a kid named Ben Harper commit what seemed to be sure artistic suicide -- sitting down and bending over a lap guitar to play bluesy hymns as the opening act for a hip-hop group and earning a standing ovation from an audience that was clearly as impressed as I was. But the most overpowering of all was my first encounter with singer Jeff Buckley. Buckley had been building a small but ardent following playing the folk clubs of New York, but his music really didn't fit with any trend or scene. He skipped from Nina Simone-like cabaret blues to Led Zeppelin-inspired rave-ups. It sounded a bit muddled, unfocused, but I was curious enough that I trudged through a blizzard to see him at a Wrigleyville coffeeshop, Uncommon Ground, in February 1994. My head was fogged in by the weather, and as I walked through the front entrance, I was astonished to find Buckley not more than 10 feet from me, seated in front of the pastry counter. Hunched over his guitar, he was playing to maybe two dozen people. I was struck by how boyish he looked: 27 going on 17. And I was blown away by what I heard. He had a spectacular multioctave voice, but he didn't use it for acrobatic thrill-riding. Instead he used it to burrow inside his songs, personalizing even daunting covers such as Leonard Cohen's "Hallelujah." He rushed from whispers to falsetto pleadings, obsessing about a girl who "was heartache from the moment you met her." And there was reverie when he took on one of Edith Piaf's French ballads, extracting harplike tones from his electric guitar. I had the opportunity to interview Buckley a few times after that performance; he would die in 1997 in a swimming accident. He told me that his expectations for art and music were demanding: "I want to be ripped apart by music," Buckley said. "I want it to be something that feeds and replenishes, or that totally sucks the life out of you. I want to be dashed against the rocks." On that night at Uncommon Ground, I knew exactly how that felt. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I think that we all want to be ripped apart by something. I have cried at a few concerts because it is so gut-wrenching for me to be standing in front of someone pouring their all into that hour in front of that audience. The trend nowadays (at least in the Chicago indie scene) is to stand in the audience and not move and politely clap between songs. You have to be bored with it all, been there, done that, not impressed, and on most of the occasions in music, this is actually the case, but the times that it isn't... The times that I *am* moved to tears, that I can't even try to think about my bills that have to be paid and the laundry that needs to be done, the times that I never ever want that show to end... Those are the times that I know why I get up in the morning, you know? Passion is just as necessary to everyday life as air and water, but people are passionate about different things. If Lisa isn't passionate about music, I don't think we should attack her, but she also has to understand that a lot of us invest more into this than she *can* understand, obviously... Just a few random thoughts while I am sitting at work. Also, I emailed Greg Kot about the "outtakes from the album sessions that have surfaced on the Internet, which suggest that the singer had the makings of another intensely personal album" that he mentioned in his review because I think that this is what Patrick so luckily stumbled across. Mr. Kot wrote me back very promptly and suggested I check out the standard file-sharing services on the net: "there are a variety of unreleased Liz songs available through file-sharing services like Bluebird, Gnutella, Grokster and Soulseek. if you download the software from these services, you would get access to the files that other file-sharers have. Liz has talked about possibly making some of these songs available later on, but i wouldn't count on it. in any case, some of them are pretty dark in tone, but they suggest that she's still capable of writing songs with some depth, unlike much of what's on "Liz Phair." " He's obviously heard them, but he's not sharing... PS For some reason I feel I have to let everyone know that I don't worship Greg Kot nearly as much as this email suggests. He just happens to have incredible timing lately with what he writes about... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 17:01:32 EDT From: LilRussianGirl@aol.com Subject: liz merchandise at shows and XRT exclusive Hello: Anyone who has seen her live already -- are there other Liz items for sale than just the two clothing items for sale at her website? Anyone here win tickets to see her perform at the XRT studios on Wednesday? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 16:42:04 -0500 From: Andrea Uptmor Subject: Re: liz merchandise at shows and XRT exclusive I won tickets!!! Anyone else going WEdnesday? I'm so excited. Quoting LilRussianGirl@aol.com: > Hello: > > Anyone who has seen her live already -- are there other Liz items for sale > than just the two clothing items for sale at her website? > > Anyone here win tickets to see her perform at the XRT studios on Wednesday? > - -- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 15:27:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Emil Breton Subject: Re: Friend of Mine/ Fantasize > "Fantasize" was most likely > about her husband because of when it was written/ > released, and "Friend > of Mine" is clearly a break up song. Pretty > interesting huh? I was always under the impression that "Fantasize" was one of those 'cheatin' hearts' songs Liz had kicking around. "Hey, you've got to hide your love away" (yes, I know it's a Beatles song) always seemed like "Hey, keep it on the DL... I'm *married*, buddy." It's a fantasy. And she wrote lots of 'marital strife' songs around this same time: "Go On Ahead", "Blood Keeper", "Firewalker", "Bars of the Bed", "Love Is Nothing" (maybe?), "My Mistake"... By the way -- everyone DOES realize that "Lisa" is really a boy (Bennett) with a girl's email address and an extremely subtle sense of humor, right? I've enjoyed reading the impassioned responses, but it was definitely a joke. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 23:13:01 -0400 From: Catherine Molanphy Subject: Lisa/Bennett > By the way -- everyone DOES realize that "Lisa" is > really a boy (Bennett) with a girl's email address and > an extremely subtle sense of humor, right? I've > enjoyed reading the impassioned responses, but it was > definitely a joke. No, I didn't realize that. Man, I feel like a tool. - --C ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 20:21:29 -0700 (PDT) From: SHERLY McLACHLAN Subject: 3 Chicago Shows? Hey Everyone, I got a thing from her web sight that has another Chicago show going on sale for 8/23. Is this right or is it a mix up? She was todays fresh pick of the week on VH1. Have a good one! Lor SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! ------------------------------ End of support-system-digest V6 #179 ************************************