From: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org (support-system-digest) To: support-system-digest@smoe.org Subject: support-system-digest V6 #175 Reply-To: support-system@smoe.org Sender: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk support-system-digest Friday, July 4 2003 Volume 06 : Number 175 Today's Subjects: ----------------- First Week Sales ["Derek McGough" ] Re: support-system-digest V6 #174 [ElisaRoseB@aol.com] detroit show/new music [Dan MacDonald ] Re: Insanity [Ray ] Re: Song-by-song response? [Ray ] children and Liz music [Andrea Uptmor ] RE: children and Liz music ["Brooke, Robert" ] jeremy engle nuts!! [Erin ] Re: Billboard, Jeremy Engle, Insanity (long) [Al Madrid ] [none] [Valerie ] Re: "Insanity" mp3 and ogg (and ethics) [Aaron Walker ] How about a Liz EP series? [Jason Tedford ] liz on kcrw [Erin ] "deception" [Catherine Molanphy ] My Mistake? [Easter ] liz on chicago radio [robert joyner ] Udovitch rocks! [Catherine Molanphy ] Re: Unknown Liz Songs (4th Album Roughs) [Patrick Bucci ] unknown tracks online [Brett Jones ] Liz on Rage tonight [Brian Cooper ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 20:38:51 +1000 From: "Derek McGough" Subject: First Week Sales >>sales for CDs are down across the board from five years ago (#1 albums used to average around 400,000 copies; now they're averaging about 200,000). So selling only 4,000 less than a 1998 album is really not bad.<< This seems about right, particularly since WCSE entered the chart lower (at 35) on higher sales, during a similar mid year release (August 1998 vs June 2003). Incidentally, 27 is the tied as her highest charting album, as it is the same peak reached by WS. Interesting, because obviously topping previous achievements commercially was the aim here. Albums rarely climb above their debut rankings these days, apart from some brand new artists. Derek PS Australian release is this Monday - decent stores will have it on sale from Sunday. There is also a tentative release for a CD single of "Why Can't I" in August, tracks TBA. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2003 09:42:44 -0400 From: ElisaRoseB@aol.com Subject: Re: support-system-digest V6 #174 Hi, I've been on this list since WCSE but too lazy to post, ever, but Sandra, I just wanted to say how completely I agree with you. I have kids, and I find Little Digger completely devastating. I have to skip over it because it makes me cry every time. Just thinking about it gives me a little lump in the throat. That line about the trucks exactly captures something that little kids do all the time . . . I have such a clear image of my son as a toddler putting his trucks in a line, just like that. By the way, I don't think anyone posted it (maybe I missed it) but slate.com had an interesting review of the album last Friday. Probably the review I most agree with. Elisa >From: "sandra" >To: >Subject: Re: support-system-digest V6 #173 >Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 00:31:36 -0500 > >musing here. Granted, I didn't "get" Go On Ahead till recently either -- now >I think it's an incredibly sad, revealing, and touching song. And yes, I >became a mom last year. I fully accept that has something to do with it. I >hate to be all "you'd see it differently if you had kids" but ... you'd see >it differently if you had kids. I am a stereotype. > >and then someone ... oh jeez, EMIL, said: > >"Little Digger" actually > > is in my Top 3 from the new record (if I use my > > imagination -- ha, ha), but the "trucks on the bed" > > thing is *weak*. Arf. > >Dude, that is one of if not THE strongest image on the entire fucking album >to me. I daresay it's the only time a Liz song has made me cry. Different >strokes. > >sandra ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2003 09:47:13 -0400 From: Dan MacDonald Subject: detroit show/new music steve wrote: the metro times says the show is this Sunday w/ tix going onsale the day before. that has to be a major misprint. tickets go on sale july 5th (sunday) but i double checked with clear channel to make sure - and they said the show will be August 25th at Saint Andrews Hall. You almost gave me a heart attack there!! also - the Detroit show is listed as a solo Liz show, no sign of Jason Mraz or whatever the fuck his name is. it's also 18+. i'm curious about what the crowd will be like, and how a few of the new songs will be received. i know her sets are going to be heavier on the older material - but i wonder what the response will be when she plays songs like Why Can't I? or Favorite. hope there are no boos...but it could make for some really sticky situations. PS - downloaded "Insanity". I really like it. Reminds me of Shallow Opportunities - same kinda vibe. a little bit swanky. that's seven great songs that weren't on the album. i can understand putting poppy stuff on to get a new audience - but why leave such great gems off? a 20-song album containing all of these songs would have been far better than all this "get online and download it" crap or "shit i don't have a mac" bull. anyway, thanks to everyone who's helped get the hidden songs out there! dan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 14:23:06 +0000 (UTC) From: Ray Subject: Re: Insanity Anyone know where I might pick up a copy of "Down"? Thanks, Ray ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 14:38:22 +0000 (UTC) From: Ray Subject: Re: Song-by-song response? > Unfortunately, a slicked-up Liz Phair has already been done to death. I feel > bad, because unlike some other fans, I would LOVE hearing Liz songs on the > lips of my teenybopper cousins... but I have the sinking feeling that, yet > again, it ain't gonna happen. Too bad. I hope I'm wrong. > > --Catherine I have to wonder if that is what Liz was shooting for. I have a real hard time understanding why a 35 year old divorcee would make a pop record aimed at kids young enough to be her children. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 10:11:18 -0500 From: Andrea Uptmor Subject: children and Liz music > I have to wonder if that is what Liz was shooting for. I have a real hard > time understanding why a 35 year old divorcee would make a pop record > aimed at kids young enough to be her children. > Um...am I the only one who doesn't think this record is aimed at children? Excuse me, a song named Hot White Cum and a big fat parental advisory sticker do not a children's album make. I think the main audience for this album would be those twenty-three-year-old girls who work on their fake tan year-round and are "like, totally, for sure boy crazy." You know who I'm talking about. We all know at least four. but who am I to say that. I love the album, but I am neither tan nor popular enough to fall into the aforementioned category. Liz, you rock. Like, totally for sure. Andrea U. - -- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 10:15:05 -0500 From: "Brooke, Robert" Subject: RE: children and Liz music Because of the fact that the Matrix and being link to Avril. I know a couple of 12 year old girls (my nieces) that like the new cd. I don't know how there parents deal with H.W.C. But that is not my business per say. I believe that this album is trying to touch a younger crowd. And younger crowds do listen to EMINEM. - -----Original Message----- From: Andrea Uptmor [mailto:auptmo@artic.edu] Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2003 11:11 AM To: support-system@smoe.org Subject: children and Liz music > I have to wonder if that is what Liz was shooting for. I have a real hard > time understanding why a 35 year old divorcee would make a pop record > aimed at kids young enough to be her children. > Um...am I the only one who doesn't think this record is aimed at children? Excuse me, a song named Hot White Cum and a big fat parental advisory sticker do not a children's album make. I think the main audience for this album would be those twenty-three-year-old girls who work on their fake tan year-round and are "like, totally, for sure boy crazy." You know who I'm talking about. We all know at least four. but who am I to say that. I love the album, but I am neither tan nor popular enough to fall into the aforementioned category. Liz, you rock. Like, totally for sure. Andrea U. - -- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 09:09:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Erin Subject: jeremy engle nuts!! "dude, I've been *trying* to start a commotion! It's also my favorite, and if I think back over the years, remembering which "new" Liz songs seemed on par with "old", I'd say this one is up there with "Blood Keeper" and "Don't have Time". I like it better than anything on all of wcse. I'm *nuts* for it. Here's why: 1) It's completely imagined, despite its This-is-how-it-happened literalness (thank you, MSN chat)" **Me too!!! That's why I asked the question (on MSN). I can't get over this song... Keep playing it and playing it and playing it... - -Erin PS- to those of you who sent me your addresses for the Phair sticker-postcardish things, I AM SO SORRY!!! I've been insanely busy with work and summer school and packing (moving to Austin in a month) I'll getthem out to you, I swear! I still have about 10 left, if anyone wants one send me your name and address. SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 09:26:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Al Madrid Subject: Re: Billboard, Jeremy Engle, Insanity (long) One thing about the debut on Billboard for Liz Phair, as I recall about WCSE, it debuted around 28 or so in the first week and than dropped rapidly, I mean rapidly and within like 3 weeks it was completely gone from the top 100. The new cd, I believe, will have a longer stay in the top 100. Also, there are a lot of radio stations across the country which are just now picking up the single. It's been a huge hit in some areas (L.A., Chicago, etc.) and so-so in others (New York and a lot of rural cities). I believe there is about 2 stations a day that pick up the single. Hopefully for those of us who want to see Liz do well, this is a result of the ripple effect, but who knows. Also, I don't see any posters or any big marketing campaign going on in places like Tower Records, at least where I live. There are but a few of the CDs put out on the "Hit" display but if you weren't looking, you probably wouldn't see it. Anyway, if they can get one of the more rocking tunes to follow up on the radio, I think that is where it will really peak interest. One of the DJs on the radio made the comment that he had never been so jealous of a guitar until he saw the cover of Liz Phair's new album. I don't know what to make of that, but I agree even as a gay male. She's one of only a few (very few) women in this world that I can honestly say gives me a woody. ;P I also think that many of the reviews have been quite unfair. They review it as if Liz deceived them by making radio-friendly music. Liz was straight-forward from the beginning and quite honest with what she was doing and what we fans should expect. She warned us a long time ago, even before WCSE came out that she wanted to do this, but yet we all got angry with her, and acted as if she stabbed us in the back, when the record finally popped up earlier in the year. I always had faith in her that this was just a side thing for her and that she still had that edge about her and would put out her standard style type songs one way or another and she didn't disappoint me with those 5 EP songs and now Insanity. By the way, does anyone else think that Insanity sounds like an Aimee Mann song? I LOVE Aimee Mann so it doesn't bother me, but one could easily replace Liz' voice with Aimee's and I wouldn't mind but I know some of you would end up not liking the Aimee voice version if that was the case. As for Jeremy Engle, just an awesome little gem. I love it! Al __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 13:37:42 -0400 From: "steve" Subject: RE: jeremy engle nuts!! - -----Original Message----- From: owner-support-system@smoe.org [mailto:owner-support-system@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Erin Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2003 12:09 PM "dude, I've been *trying* to start a commotion! It's also my favorite, and if I think back over the years, remembering which "new" Liz songs seemed on par with "old", I'd say this one is up there with "Blood Keeper" and "Don't have Time". I like it better than anything on all of wcse. I'm *nuts* for it." Hi. Jeremy Engle is could well be a defining song for Liz. It is my favorite of all of the newly-released songs. I play it at home, in the car, and on the mp3 player while running. First, she appears to have confirmed (MSN Chat) that is really is her and her thirty-seven-year-old guitar. That means the song should transfer very well in a live performance. In fact, I'll bet it's going to be one of the live standards for years to come. I'm really looking forward to seeing it and maybe getting a live recording of it. I suppose I am going a bit against the grain here, but I thing Liz sounds good with *a little* modern production in this song because the unstructured crescendo effect she creates serves her and the music well. By the time she's wiping a "thingie" off Jeremy's eyes, your humble listener is captivated. It's not generic background music, that's for sure. Going on a limb again, I still believe that there are at least 8 or 10 Girlysound songs that Liz wishes could have had Jeremy Engle's production qualities when she first recorded them (I truly know this -- I have spent many, many hours in my life sitting alone with a 4-track in a bedroom, and trying to the "40 cycle hum" harmony along with my favorite with household appliances!) While certain songs depend on lo-fi quality for their appeal, Jeremy Bender sounds great as is. In fact, I think it is a very radio-friendly cut and I would not be surprised if not only gets airplay, but survives as the longest played, broadest appeal song of the whole new release. (Question - can commercial radio even get a royalty license to play the EP stuff?) I know someone else also has been suggesting that some of the Girlysound songs might sound good re-released. I would be interested in knowing from anyone which songs might benefit from Jeremy Bender-like production? My bet is, she's already done a few of them, but won't release them. Did Liz do the cover art for comeandgetit? I had posted that on the MSN chat, but she did not answer that one. Steve ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 14:15:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Valerie Subject: [none] the digests are huge, they make me dizzy, and there are so many damn reviews, but i didn't remember seeing this one - mim udovitch on slate.com http://slate.msn.com/id/2084862/. eat it up. the sondre lerche/jason mraz/liz phair bill seems somehow odd to me. i saw sondre lerche open for ed harcourt last week, and i really enjoyed both of them (neither of whom i knew much about prior). SL is cute and young and norwegian and self-deprecating and sings poppy, sort of loungy little songs. he made me smile. EH, at times, was like the british love child of tori amos and jeff buckley. i bought his CD and i really like it. later, he showed up at the clermont lounge for karaoke and sang beck's "loser" with one of his buddies/sound guys and showed us pictures of him and his girlfriend. awww. anyway, i don't know much about this mraz character, but his "remedy" song gets on my nerves, and i just don't see the three artists having the same fan base. as far as all these new songs go...i'm hardware- and jargon-challenged, and all this talk of .ogg and 137 bit winamp craziness and so on just hurts my little head. has *anyone* been able to put the new songs on a CD? stuck in the 90's, valerie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2003 13:22:20 -0500 From: Aaron Walker Subject: Re: "Insanity" mp3 and ogg (and ethics) > Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 20:05:20 -0400 > From: "Michael Honaker" > Subject: "Insanity" mp3 and ogg > > For those that are dying for the track and are among us > out-of-the-loop PC users, you can find the link on the > message board here: > http://supernova.board.dk3.com/ > [Snip] > - -Michael > http://suprnova.lunamorena.net I have some real concerns about this. On the one hand I appreciate the efforts that allowed me to download the Internet EP in MP3 format so that I could enjoy it despite my problems with the DRM they used. I bought the CD which included the rights to hear the EP but I couldn't listen to it due to technical difficulties. I also had a copy of the album before it was released (and bought two copies when it was released, partially out of guilt.) The Insanity single is (I imagine) primarily being downloaded by people who did not buy the rights to hear it. Currently only Macintosh users can buy that song so there are people prevented from purchasing it for technical reasons. The iTunes Music Store for windows is due by the end of the year, but that's a really long time to wait for something like this. I'd like to imagine that everyone who downloads that track will buy it as soon as the iTunes Music Store is available for windows, but on some level I fear they won't. In my mind, that hurts Liz. On my site I try to post a few MP3 files from live albums and Girlysounds, stuff that you can't buy anywhere. I often get requests to host "Don't Have Time" or other songs from compilations and I won't do it because they can be bought. If Liz commercially releases Girlysounds then I won't ever post them again because they'll finally be available. I'd definitely be comfortable hosting those MP3s from the radio show Liz appeared on, but I wouldn't be comfortable hosting the EP MP3s and I definitely wouldn't host Insanity. I don't really have a solution I'm comfortable with for the people who want to hear the song but can't because they're PC users. If I were one I imagine I'd eagerly download the song, then pay for it as soon as I could. I hope others feel the same way. If they have a Mac using friend it wouldn't be too hard to ask them to buy Insanity for them and burn it to a CD, but I'm sure there might be some problems with that idea which I haven't thought of. In closing, I don't agree with the RIAA but I also don't agree with the people out there who download stuff without paying for it just because they can. I think there is a reasonable middle ground where customers have some freedom to use the music they buy and to some extent share it with others, while still making sure that artists are compensated for their work. I'm not trying to criticize anyone on the list, I just wanted to share my concerns with the group. Thanks for your time. - -- - -Aaron Walker ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 12:35:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Jason Tedford Subject: How about a Liz EP series? I was checking out this Ben Folds' article at billboard.com: http://www.billboard.com/bb/daily/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1927230 After reading it, I thought this would be a phenomenal way for Liz to get some more of her backlog of material out there. Let's face it, based on the first internet offering, there are some kinks to work out. There could even be an option of purchasing downloadable copies or ordering hard copies through the mail (for those of us who are technically challenged or simply want the quality that a hard copy offers - NOTE TO CAPITOL AND/OR LIZ MANAGEMENT: 96kbps is a poor bitrate, I anxiously await being able to hear a clean, clear copy of the current EP tracks!) Anyway, the article just caught me as an artist with a similar sized fanbase as Liz finding a good way to get more music out between proper albums. Just an idea. Jason SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 14:35:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Erin Subject: liz on kcrw I was just playing around with real player and did a search for Liz, they have the entire KCRW interview, audio and video. It's pretty sweet. Dunno if this has already been shared.... But um, yea. Go look. - -Erin SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2003 19:20:20 -0400 From: Catherine Molanphy Subject: "deception" > From: Al Madrid > Liz was straight-forward from the beginning and quite honest with what she was > doing and what we fans should expect. She warned us a long time ago, even > before WCSE came out that she wanted to do this, Indeed. I specifically remember an interview quote from when *Whip Smart* was released and some fans were complaining it was too poppy or something, and she said something to the effect of, "This is nothing... I want to get even more pop than this album..." It was almost said as a warning, and this is some seven years back now. The people who are shocked and/or disgusted are the ones who weren't listening to her all the times she warned them... this is no sudden decision, no last-ditch effort at mainstream success. She's been planning this move for a LONG time. Perhaps the greater wonder should be that it's taken her so long to get here. It might be just too late... - --Catherine ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 16:23:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Easter Subject: My Mistake? While updating my page, I read Liz's note that mysteriously made it to this list nearly four years ago. Does anyone know of any demos existing for "My Mistake?" It'd be nice to hear something with some of the lyrics she provided. Sheesh...it seemed ages ago. Sorta shameless plug here....I add any concert reviews posted here to my website so that everyone can relive those memories. If you don't want yours added, please let me know and I'll gladly remove it. www.geocities.com/wcseliz/lizreview-main.html Katie (); ) ===== ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ "My love belongs to who can see it." George Harrison ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 16:25:36 -0700 (PDT) From: robert joyner Subject: liz on chicago radio listers in chicago may want to tape this. would be cool if someone could up it to the net. i'll check and see if this channel has an internet feed. * Eric Ferguson and Kathy Hart will host a special live performance by Liz Phair at a private studio session from the House of Blues at 11:30 a.m. Tuesday July 8th on WTMX-FM (101.9). (from the chicago sun times.) later robert ===== - ------------------------------------------------------------ Nashville - A Liz Phair Web Site http://www.geocities.com/robnashville - ------------------------------------------------------------ __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2003 19:53:50 -0400 From: Catherine Molanphy Subject: Udovitch rocks! http://slate.msn.com/id/2084862/ Her article really *gets* it, IMO. "True, on Exile in Guyville, Phair famously wanted to be your blow-job queen, something that simultaneously made her beloved of every male rock critic in America and a role model for sexually ambitious women everywhere. But that lyric was always an attention-getting red herring, reducing her, in seven short words, to a different kind of mouth than the smart mouth she really is on that record" I couldn't have said it better myself. And I can't help but like the dig at the male rock critics... heh. "The thing is that Liz Phair is no Avril Lavigne. Phair has integrity and aesthetic subtlety, and she's so much better than Lavigne that when she fakes being fake, it sounds, well, fake." Yes! Yes! I've seen this happen in my own life... whenever I try to seem shallow, or seem less literate than I am, even dumb shallow people can sense somehow that it's a facade. You don't need to be smart to have a sixth sense about insincerity. "Phair certainly isn't the first artist in history who, for one reason or another, put a record out because he or she wanted a hit, I doubt it will happen, but just because I like to see a talented woman get what she wants in every sphere of life, here's hoping Phair spends the summer on TRL talking to Carson Daly about the importance of sending kind of a sweet message to the kids and, in her down time, receiving every parental-advisory-sticker gift she's asking for." I feel the same way. Do I despise everything about TRL and the current state of popular music? Yup! Do I still want Liz to kick serious ass in that venue? Yup! The thing is, despite the fact that I know people sense insincertiy, I'm still rooting for her to be able to fool them... maybe beCAUSE I hate all of it so much. I want the mainstream to be tricked into buying her music. Is that sick? Maybe... Anyway, nice to see that Mim has a similar point of view as I have. (Except thinking that WCSE is "superlative"... I'll have to part company with her on that one.) - --Catherine ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 20:41:17 -0400 From: Patrick Bucci Subject: Re: Unknown Liz Songs (4th Album Roughs) Just a quick note in response to some of the questions I've received: I downloaded the files using LimeWire, a Gnutella-based Peer-to-peer program for Mac. I am not only willing, but would love to share these songs with everyone who is interested. I'm not exactly sure what the best way to go about sharing them with the list would be. I've attempted to e-mail the mp3s to several people who requested them, but either my e-mail server or theirs would not allow the messages to be sent, due to the size of the files. Is there anyone out there who has an FTP site I could upload them to, or at least a suggestion for a better method of distributing these files? It would be much appreciated. Here are the lyrics to the songs (or what I interpret them to be), so that this post has at least some substance... "Track 02" Red Light Fever These lyrics are exactly the same as the album version (as far as I can tell), but the song ends with the line "Somewhere's a place in your heart" repeated over and over. - --- "Track 05" the sky is blue, the world is round these walls keep you from falling down CHORUS: tell me i'm a liar, a liar tell me i'm a liar... i tell you where i've gone and what i've done when i've been low (?) you only tell me what you think i need to know CHORUS i feel like i'm crazy nothing you say is the same the next day i feel like i'm drifting and you're on the dock with your head on the wrong way around... and round, the top is down your car's still here and running, you're not out of town CHORUS - --- "Track 07" i can't stand to see you happy when i'm in trouble, getting knocked around you've got no reason to smile it's gonna hit you in awhile it's gonna hit you that i'm gone CHORUS: i'm in the rapids and you're upstream you're gonna hit them after me i'm in the rapids and you're upstream and you don't see it coming i'll stand onshore and watch you spin hit a rock and come up again better paddle hard now you're not in your car now and you're heading for a fall CHORUS This song, due to interruption in the downloading process is cut off immediately after this chorus. - --- In retrospect, I wish I had been more ambitious and aggressive about downloading these songs (their were at least twelve), but because of the long download time, and the fact that I, at the time, thought them to be tracks from the new album that I would purchase soon enough, I didn't make much of an effort to ensure that I had them all, knew their origin, or at least the person who hosted them. Ah, well. At least we know they're out there, which must mean that they'll all surface eventually. Patrick simbeing@cox.net ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 22:13:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Stephen Griffes Subject: 'internet chart' Liz Phair debuted at #5 this week on Billboard's "Top Internet Sales" chart... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 23:14:45 -0400 From: Brett Jones Subject: unknown tracks online Patrick Bucci uploaded his unknown liz tracks to the my server today. ftp://ftp.5foot2.com/pub/liz/ I'll be taking down the EP tracks soon, I don't want to get a call from our friends at the RIAA for hosting them. If anyone has any tracks they'd like hosted (video or audio), give me a shout. As long as they're not off of an available album I'll be glad to put them on the ftp server. Also someone said they were soon to have access to a demo CD of the EP tracks. If there were in fact able to get thier hands on it, please rip the tracks and encode them at a high bitrate. I'd be happy to host them for a while so list members can get some quality mp3s of the EP. - -- Brett Jones brett@5foot2.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2003 14:08:21 +1000 From: Brian Cooper Subject: Liz on Rage tonight For the Aussies, ABC are playing the video for "Why Can't I" a little after 6am July 5. For the night's play list, go to: http://www.abc.net.au/rage/playlist/archive/2003/20030704.htm Brian ------------------------------ End of support-system-digest V6 #175 ************************************