From: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org (support-system-digest) To: support-system-digest@smoe.org Subject: support-system-digest V6 #171 Reply-To: support-system@smoe.org Sender: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk support-system-digest Monday, June 30 2003 Volume 06 : Number 171 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Cleveland; Kimmel; EP [ReallyHip@aol.com] perfect vs. organic ["Chris DeLisle" ] Liz on her guitar playing [Al Madrid ] more on the EP ["Chris DeLisle" ] Bounced message [owner-support-system@smoe.org (by way of Jase ] Bounced message [owner-support-system@smoe.org (by way of Jase ] Liz / SF Chronicle [Kenneth Lee ] Re: LP's NY Times letter [TitleTK@aol.com] Liz on Kimmel, new EP and other ramblings [Mariam Hamou ] the 'times' and 'uncle f*cker' ["over pavema" ] Re: the 'times' and 'uncle f*cker' [Kate Stewart ] Bounced message [owner-support-system@smoe.org (by way of Jase ] chicken little; kcrw; guitar [Emil Breton ] how do I download EP? [Ray ] what other albums are good? [melany ] Re: what other albums are good? [Ray ] Re: what other albums are good? [Jase ] Liz and Peaches [Jase ] Bounced message [Jase ] Re: jimmy kimmel [Jase ] Toronto Star review of 'Liz Phair' [Jase ] net EP ["jeF kearns" ] Liz / ROCKRGRL [Kenneth Lee ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 02:26:15 -0400 From: ReallyHip@aol.com Subject: Re: Cleveland; Kimmel; EP The EP has made it clear that Liz is still my girl. If she releases five songs like this every few years, I'll remain a fan. I do really enjoy the new album... though somewhat disposable, it's still one of the most fun listens I've had in awhile. I've made a playlist for my iPod with the new album, plus the EP... and it really sounds alot more like the album I was expecting. Thanks, Liz! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 02:41:09 -0400 From: "Chris DeLisle" Subject: perfect vs. organic Kiwi, re: And my god, the songs are just so, well, perfect .. intro/chorus/more/chorus..resolution..see ya!.. i think you've just nailed it. i think one of the things that was so original about Liz's songwriting before was the fact that it was so organic. before, choruses or refrains just kind of appeared when they were needed. songs like "Dogs of L.A." or "Shatter" always seemed to me like they had a starting point and just took off from there ~ any structure be damned. it might be this quality that we like so much about the EP songs. chris deLisle ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 00:25:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Al Madrid Subject: Liz on her guitar playing Emil wrote, "Oh, and would someone mind cranking her amp a little bit? Hey Liz, you can PLAY. Quit pretending otherwise! I really was generally psyched by her performance, and just prefer to see her putting her actual talent to use." Damn, I totally forgot to mention this to the list, but during that Live L.A. radio performance, Liz was talking about the different people she worked with on the ablum and basically said that "I can't play the guitar as well as them, so it was hard to tell them what I wanted." or something like that. I was furiated at her for saying that. Her guitar playing is just so original and cool to hear. I agree that she needs to turn the amp up on her playing. She makes me melt when she plays the intro to Shatter and that new song on the EP, forgot the name, the glad to be back song. Pure and simple beauty! Al __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 03:32:40 -0400 From: "Chris DeLisle" Subject: more on the EP in the Beatles Anthology video, Ringo Starr smirks in regards to George Martin's wish that the Beatles had released only one record as the Beatles "White Album" because there was "so much fat" on it. he says: "we should have released 2 records ~ the White Album and the Whiter Album." just listening to the EP over and over again and i think in a perfect world (pardon the pun), Liz should have released the Liz Phair record along with the "Liz Phairer" record ~ this EP + "Down" are six excellent friggin' songs that would have helped make an amazing album. "Bouncer's Question" has an excellent beginning and recurring theme with...whatever that sound is. i think "Fine Again" would make an excellent solo encore spot a la "Perfect World" from the "wcse" tour. "Hurricane Cindy" is an excellent update. "Jeremy Engle" might be the best of the bunch. "Shallow Opportunities" is growing heavily on me. Liz, do your wallet a favor and release everything else in album form while you're on tour or something. get all those critics back on your side to boot ~ as well as everyone else on the Sound Opinons Message Board. defending you was like fighting a bunch of dragons on there! chris deLisle ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 04:07:41 -0400 From: owner-support-system@smoe.org (by way of Jase ) Subject: Bounced message From: Lizphairfan@aol.com Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 20:56:59 EDT Subject: Check out Vintage Vinyl - CDs Records Tapes Imports Videos :: Home Page To: support-system@smoe.org Click here: Vintage Vinyl - CDs Records Tapes Imports Videos :: Home Page ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 04:13:09 -0400 From: Jase Subject: Bounced message From: Lizphairfan@aol.com Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 18:57:16 EDT Subject: hidden tour date?? To: support-system@smoe.org i have been a luker here for many years but i am so excited over what i saw today and had to post i was in a local music store accross the street from me in fords nj and i saw a sign in the window saying liz phair was playing there august 9 at 2 pm could it be the one and only liz who i have been listening to since the supernova days could be accross the street from me ?? thenks Matt ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 04:04:50 -0400 From: owner-support-system@smoe.org (by way of Jase ) Subject: Bounced message From: Lizphairfan@aol.com Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 18:57:16 EDT Subject: hidden tour date?? To: support-system@smoe.org i have been a luker here for many years but i am so excited over what i saw today and had to post i was in a local music store accross the street from me in fords nj and i saw a sign in the window saying liz phair was playing there august 9 at 2 pm could it be the one and only liz who i have been listening to since the supernova days could be accross the street from me ?? thenks Matt ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 04:19:55 -0400 From: owner-support-system@smoe.org (by way of Jase ) Subject: Bounced message From: AWeiss4338@aol.com Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 00:25:40 EDT Subject: Liz's Reply To The NY Times To: support-system@smoe.org I don't have a scanner, link (and the Times asks you to subscribe for free, but it's a real pain to do that for one letter), and it's long, so i can't transcribe it. And i wish i could, wait till you read it. It's great and sarcastic, Liz is still Liz. If you can think of what the EP would be like as prose, you'll have the letter. It's a story of chicken little, and her three readers who live in a hut, and as always with CL, the sky is falling. I know what this sounds like, but you'll get it once you read it. And crack up. Andrea ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 01:38:47 -0700 (PDT) From: robert joyner Subject: LP's NY Times letter (Since she doesn't have the stroke to Peter Margyzak/Spin Magazine this guy, she is reduced to nursery tale analogies. I guess this was meant to rally her three listeners. oh joy ===Robert) LETTERS Liz Phair LIZ PHAIR Chicken Little's Tale To the Editor: Re "Liz Phair's Exile in Avril-ville" by Meghan O'Rourke [June 22]: Once upon a time there was a writer named Chicken Little. Chicken Little worked very hard and took her job very seriously. Often, she even wrote. One day, just as Chicken Little was about to have an idea, she heard something falling on her roof. "The sky is falling! The sky is falling!" she shrieked, spilling green tea and vodka all over her work station. This commotion awoke her three readers, who lived with her in her hut, and all three rushed outside to see what had happened to the sky. After enduring several anxious minutes alone, Chicken Little was relieved to see her readers return. "Oh, Chicken Little, it was just the trees dropping their buds on a beautiful spring day," they said. Chicken Little tried not to show her disappointment. Not long after, as Chicken Little was poring over some back issues of other writers' material, she felt another idea about to form in her mind. "Truth . . . no . . . Lies . . . no . . . ummm . . . ummm . . . Conspiracy!" She was just about to write this down, when a great clattering and scraping began above her head. Clutching her PC to her breast, she swung her head wildly to and fro. "The sky is falling! This time, the sky is falling! The sky is falling!" She meant to alert her readers. She felt very responsible for them. They played outdoors, mostly, and had very open minds. The three readers rushed back into the hut, very concerned, and when they saw the look of dread on Chicken Little's sweet face and her finger pointing skyward, trembling, they immediately turned around and rushed back out to see what was the matter. For a few breathless moments, they could neither confirm nor deny, then they all saw the same thing at once. "Chicken Little," said the readers, "it's only two squirrels chasing each other in amorous conquest, skittering over the eave of our house." "It's quite funny, actually," added one of the readers, "you should come and see." But Chicken Little was annoyed. "I have work to do!" she fumed. "Besides, I wasn't speaking to you. I was performing a haiku," she fibbed, faxing something. Well, time passed, and the readers grew, and so did Chicken Little, but not very much. The light inside the hut was dim, and she worked in a huddled position for long hours. She grew paranoid. She began to think she wasn't sure anymore. She began to fear she didn't know. Then, just as her resolve was nearly wiped away clean, she heard a sound that was not very loud. She cocked her head from side to side, her little neck pouch jiggling, and pecked at a few pebbles lying around her desk. Yes, the sound was definitely there. In fact, it was coming from all sides now, the sound of a million tiny things dropping on her roof. She peeked out her window and saw a million tiny things dropping from the sky. All her chicken senses gathered in supreme vindication. She opened her throat as wide as it would go and crowed, "The sky is falling! The sky is falling! By God, any moron can see the sky is falling!" The peacefully sleeping readers were aroused, but did not pay attention anymore, so used to her hysteria were they by now that her crowing became one more familiar noise in the chattering nighttime forest. "The sky is falling! The sky is falling!" Chicken Little screeched, terrified they would not heed her and would be found the next morning, buried among the intellectual debris. She pecked and pecked at them with her sharp little beak until they finally agreed to be awakened. The three readers rose up and shuffled outside to be greeted by a warm, summer rain falling steady as a heartbeat, wondrous and quiet as unexpected relief from pain. "Why, Chicken Little," said one reader, "it's only a summer shower come to feed the land. It feels great!" Chicken Little cowered in the corner as a fork of lightning licked the trees. "It's dangerous!" she cried, "you could slip on the wetness! You could catch a nasty cold! You could get electrocuted!" The three readers laughed, and went back out to experience the mystery of the storm, without thinking, without deconstructing, without checking what the other would do first. "Listen to me! Listen to me!" cried Chicken Little, as she watched their backs turn. The three readers stopped at the door and called out before leaving: "C'mon, Chicken Little. Hurry up, you're gonna miss it!" LIZ PHAIR Manhattan Beach, Calif. Meghan O'Rourke's review of Liz Phair's new album, "Liz Phair," is online at www.nytimes.com/lizphair. ===== - ------------------------------------------------------------ Nashville - A Liz Phair Web Site http://www.geocities.com/robnashville - ------------------------------------------------------------ __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 01:52:19 -0700 From: Kenneth Lee Subject: Liz / SF Chronicle Hello, Just added the transcription of the San Francisco Chronicle, June 29, 2003. Enjoy! - -Ken kenmlee@ix.netcom.com MeSmErIzInG - AnOtHeR LiZ PhAiR WeBsItE http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Club/2471/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 08:54:31 EDT From: TitleTK@aol.com Subject: Re: LP's NY Times letter Liz's writing to the NY Times today was a wonderful piece of satire . . . but I have to say I do not believe in her message. While I agree that art critics are somewhat overpaid individuals, they do serve a purpose. The state of music right now is a sad one (let's put Liz's new album on the back burner for a second). When Liz emerged in the early 90's great things were happening, especially in Chicago. But now music has become an LA produced soulless factory. I agree that more people should just learn to enjoy music and have a good time. But at the same time, if the entire world did this no new ideas would be pushed to the crowd. Without the critical acclaim that EIG originally achieved, chances are Liz would not be here at all. I don't mean to be playing devil's advocate all the time, but I think it's wrong to be down on critics who may be damning our favorite artist, but may in the future push another artistic genius like Liz into the spotlight. I'm not looking for a flame war here . . . just looking to start a conversation. Any thoughts? james ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 09:18:24 -0400 From: Mariam Hamou Subject: Liz on Kimmel, new EP and other ramblings Hey all, I too watched the Kimmel show (I didn't know it existed before that night), and I thought Liz was great. I have my reservations about this Album but I'm starting to like Why Can't I by virtue of the fact that it is a song by Queen Phair and it was very well performed on Kimmel. I was seriously laying down pretty much dead while it was on and then they announced she was playing supernova and I got this sudden burst of energy and got so excited- my friends starting staring at my like I was on crack. Needless to say I felt ripped off when they cut it in the middle. I also listened to the new EP, I'm so glad I did. I almost lost faith in her but she totally redeemed herself with this. I love Lo Fi Liz. Mariam Hamou Sometimes a dream is what makes you a slave. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 17:36:24 +0000 From: "over pavema" Subject: the 'times' and 'uncle f*cker' someone wrote: >Boy am I looking forward to her response in the times >tomorrow. I can't quite figure out how she's going to >defend herself but I bet it will be mighty >interesting. well, her letter is interesting (i'll assume someone has transcribed it for the list already -- i only get the digest so i won't know for sure til tomorrow, but you don't need 10 postings all listing the whole letter). it's long and basically accuses the writer of being chicken little. it's funny and articulate, but a little bitter and really reduces things to a 'your record sucks!' 'oh, yeah? well, ur a drunken, procrastinating pain in the ass stessed-out loser!' i mean, really, both things can be true, right? we know one of them is... and what's the difference if the writer's a shit? lester bangs was a drunken stressed-out procrastinator, and probably a prick to lots of people. doesn't mean he didn't understand more about what made a good or great rock record than 90% of the performers. but 'the times' also got the last word with jon pareles' synopsis review a few pages later. he's sort of their senior pop/rock critic, and he basically confirms the original reviewer's opinion. and it's unlikely anyone's going to rant on pareles. so, bravo to liz for a funny letter. but she didn't exactly knock it out of the park, because she ignored the premise of this and the other reviews. just saying that critics don't get enough sun isn't really the point. at least sheryl crow acknowledged the ridiculousness of her griping about britney and xtina, and then posing for maxim or whatever it was. but i do think it's unfair for the critics to ignore the internet-only songs, which elevate the release to something more than simple merchandise. i've finally heard the whole album, plus the 'extras'. like most things in life it's not as bad as i'd feared or as good as i'd hoped. 'HWC' is the one that cracks me up. i know some people here have called that their favorite song on the disc (and mostly guys, if memory serves). well, the song actually belongs on the 'South Park: the Movie" soundtrack, next to "Uncle Fucker". ('all you do is fuck me every day and night' isn't as drop-dead funny as 'you eat and drink and mow the lawn / and fuck your uncle all day long'). but, really, this is 2003, and you can construct an excellent album from the songs liz has delivered. just can't maintain the unfortunate context and sequencing she's done (and which she said she spent painstaking hours trying to work out? and this is the result? bro-ther!). so, my preferred record sequence is: - - love/hate transmission (establishes the theme for the whole record, and, yes, whoever said it first, the drumming does kick ass, and makes you wish keith moon was still alive and 25 -- it's a great lost Who song!) - - jeremy engle (risky since a 2nd song should push the pace a bit, but it fits to my ears) - - fine again (this record's 'perfect world') - - red light fever (is this a great lost REO Speedwagon song? sorry, i think that's a funny line) - - why can't i (it's the single, so you make it the 5th song on the album) - - little digger (really, the pivotal song on any version of the album) - - firewalker (the thing about "LD" is that it can't be next to 'favorite' or 'bouncers' or whatever, so it needs something to transition from that to the others, and 'firewalker' serves that purpose, plus i like the song) - - it's sweet (almost could follow 'LD', but the exotic intro is jarring, but i like this song a lot, too) - - hurricane cindy - - friend of mine - - take a look (i've never liked this song much, but it's growing on me in this version) - - bouncers' conversation - - down (i know, this is cheating, but so what? a good song about loss is always a good next-to-last song) - - good love never dies (not a great closer, but thematically makes sense) i'm surprised i left 'extraordinary' off. there's no way they'd have left off 'why can't i'. 'rock me' just plain blows, along with 'hwc', and i can't warm up to 'bionic eyes' or 'shallow opportunities', although either of them would be okay as filler if they wanted 15 or 16 songs on the disc. so, to me this sequence and selection is more unified, touching all the bases of the wars of sex and love, trust and betrayal. it has fun songs and deeper songs. it omits embarrassments like 'hwc' and 'rock me', and it mostly rocks. like i said, it's 2003. make your own fucking record. liz gave you all the material you need to do it yourself. it's an interactive, democratic work of art. plus, you get to post you own personal sequence to the list and pretend people give a fuck or will even read it before they delete it! and if you don't think there are 14 or 15 really good songs here, then i'd encourage you to listen again. they're there. o _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 11:23:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Kate Stewart Subject: Re: the 'times' and 'uncle f*cker' I was right, there really isn't a way she can defend herself beyond "Lighten up!" or "It's my record, damnit!" You really showed 'em Liz, way to go. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 15:39:32 -0400 From: owner-support-system@smoe.org (by way of Jase ) Subject: Bounced message From: "Andrea Steiner" To: support-system@smoe.org Subject: Liz responds to NY Times Criticism Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 15:01:40 -0400 The New York Times Sunday Arts & Leisure section this weekend printed a very long letter Liz wrote to the editor in response to the negative review she received in last week's Arts & Leisure issue. Liz's letter was in the form of a fable, the story of Chicken Little, an earnest writer who takes herself very seriously and is constantly screaming to her roommates (her readers) that the sky is falling, even when it's just a flock of birds flying overhead or a summer rainfall. At the end, the roommates tell Chicken Little to come outside and see the rain for herself, while CL is still screaming about how dangerous it could be to do that ("You could get electrocuted!") I'm not entirely sure what to make of this as to what Liz's true intentions within her fable are. My initial reaction is that "Wow, Liz is all defensive and pissy." Then I thought (and a friend agrees on this point) that she's chastising the writer for taking this whole thing so seriously, when she should just listen to the music without overthinking it. I also tend to think from the tone of the letter, that Liz is pleased with her new sound, regardless of what anyone else thinks of it, and that she thinks if we all listen to it, we'll realize how wonderful it can be. I'm curious to know if anyone else on the list read this letter, and what their thoughts are, because I'm still kind of scratching my head about it. And as for the new album itself, I've been listening to it, and have been finding moments that I genuinely like, and that still have the original Liz Phair kick to them. It's still not as good as her other albums, but I'll be satisfied with it. That is, until her next album. Maybe it won't take her another 5 years to put out another album. I just wish I could listen to the bonus songs on the CD--unfortunately my computer has decided it no longer wants to play CDs. Arg! ~Andrea S. *Can't we petition someone to make it so that outside stuff is the key to happiness? I'm tired of people always saying 'It's gotta come from you.' Can't it come from, like, a new pair of shoes? --Owen Wilson* ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 12:45:46 -0700 From: "dana p." Subject: kimmel repeat?? son-of-a-bitch: i opted to skip the kimmel appearance and now i totally regret it.... damn! do they repeat these??? anyone know? please say yes... as for the leno appearance, i do have to say that i think that studio is cursed. i've seen quite a few performers on there who are GREAT live and they sound like utter shit on that stage. i don't if it's how they're mic'd or the acoustics of the room or what. i think i've heard one semi-good performance on there and it was matthew sweet's new band called the thorns. they sounded halfway decent, but tons of other performers have sounded horrible and i really don't think it's their fault. which is bad because i often will get really intererested if they sound good live; i figger if they can pull that off, it's worth the 17 bucks. but i've had to change my strategy on that. leno's soundstage isn't doing them any favors; almost everyone struggles vocally on that show. i think that stage is messed up. ***as for the EP: oh, man, i am *so* happy.... these songs are wonderful. and i finally get to hear "conversation between two bouncers"; i finally know what y'all are talking about. i think that one intrigues me most. and "fine again" is a beautiful gem; i love the strings and the flute. "jeremy engle" is, like, you get your car and then you turn here and then turn here, go down the alley for awhile, turn here, turn there.... nice. so she hasn't lost her mind. and she *can* still "write like that." so, ha, she lied again.... and i like how she changed "hurricane cindy." i'm hoping like hell the rest of this batch somehow sees the light of day. didn't she have about 50 songs? i think she shoulda realeased two albums at the same time: the cheesy pop one and then the more "arty" one. that would be fun and an interesting/ballsy marketing ploy: then she and "crapitol" (heeee; i like that!) could see once and for all which is the better strategy. i mean, christ, if shania twain can do it.... anyway, then we'd all be happy and the focus would be on her and her enormous output and all the work she did and this novel marketing approach. then she wouldn't have to stand behind this one piece of shit and pretend it's everything she is and everything she ever wanted to do. because clearly it isn't. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 14:37:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Emil Breton Subject: chicken little; kcrw; guitar Liz' letter reminded me: I'd love to see her publish a book of short stories. What do you guys think? "The Little Theatre", from Great Chicago Stories, was such a gas. It starts out as, like, "A Crazy Day in the Life of Wacky Rocker Liz Phair" and then suddenly becomes an almost-believable ghost story. I dig her prose, really I do. Beyond that, her letter to the Times was unimpressive and did nothing to invalidate O'Rourke's review. I guess invalidation -- impossible in this case -- wasn't the point. Bravo! to Brett Jones for hosting the recent Morning Becomes Eclectic show. This new live band KICKS. The wcse-era band was corny beyond belief, but this is a more stripped-down sound (interestingly enough); the keyboards are *subtle* rather than completely dominant. What an excellent set that was (except for the 2 new songs, which were just boring). Oh! Here's another thing: "Uncle Alvarez", as performed on KCRW, is so much better. Who knew that Liz was playing a cool 3-note riff on the verses? You couldn't hear shit with the keyboards and the other guitar cranked up to 12 on the last tour. And the drumming on "Johnny Feelgood"? Totally ACE, as opposed to "totally ASS", as with the last band. I can't say enough good things about this band (except for the embarrassing new "Supernova" arrangement -- WTF?); too bad I'll have to wait a while before she comes around as a headliner. And if Liz thought she needed to give up the guitar to better players on her record, someone please explain why the rhythm guitar on "Firewalker" sounded EXACTLY like her guitar & her playing (it's credited to Buddy Judge)? Does this make ANY sense to anyone? I'm honestly going to make it my mission to get her confidence in her playing back. This has gone too far! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 22:02:01 +0000 (UTC) From: Ray Subject: how do I download EP? I can get to the site and I can listen to the EP. How do I download it? The link doesn't work...I get "Windows Media doesn't know what the f*ck to do with this file." thanks, ray ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 22:04:58 GMT From: melany Subject: what other albums are good? i know LIZ PHAIR isn't even a week old ... but what _other_ albums have you bought recently (or not, i s'pose) are really good? i'm in a musical rut, so to speak. i wish there were a new PJ Harvey, sleater-kinney or juliana album out there to scoop up. oh, i wish luscious jackson were still together. does anyone have that live led zep album? is it worth the money? please, something, ANYTHING!!!! - --melany ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 22:17:59 +0000 (UTC) From: Ray Subject: Re: what other albums are good? Dada and Butterfly Jones (they did a song called "Dizz Knee Land" several years ago) are good. Butterfly Jones got tremendous reviews for the CD "Napalm Springs." White Stripes "Elephant" is good, but I don't think it warrants the reviews it gets. Wilco's "Yankee, Hotel Foxtrott" is great. Ray ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 19:21:14 -0400 From: Jase Subject: Re: what other albums are good? Melany wrote: >i know LIZ PHAIR isn't even a week old ... but what _other_ albums have >you bought recently (or not, i s'pose) are really good? i'm in a musical >rut, so to speak. > >i wish there were a new PJ Harvey, sleater-kinney or juliana album out >there to scoop up. oh, i wish luscious jackson were still together. does >anyone have that live led zep album? is it worth the money? > >please, something, ANYTHING!!!! I don't think I've seen it mentioned much on the list, but the Yeah Yeah Yeahs' _Fever to Tell_ is exceptional. It builds upon the promise of the first EP, but also takes their sound in a few unexpected directions. The first half of the album reminds me quite a bit of Elastica's _The Menace_; "Date with the Night" was a great choice for the first single, but both "Black Tongue" and "Rich" are equally as good. The second part of the album is where the band really stretches out; "Maps," in particular, is a lot more gorgeous than I thought they were capable of. I'm still pretty high on the Distillers' _Sing Sing Death House_ and maintain that "The Young Crazed Peeling" and "City of Angels" were two of last year's best singles. Sure, they're a little heavier than most of the bands talked about here and Brody's voice does sound uncannily similar to Courtney Love's at times, but if you like _Live Through This_-era Hole, you probably would enjoy this as well. Not all the songs are as hook-y as the singles, but none of them meander along or overstay their welcome either; the whole album goes by at lightning speed. I'm really looking forward to their next record, which should be out later this year. Gil Norton -- who has worked with the Pixies, Belly, Patti Smith, and Throwing Muses -- is producing the album and it'll be interesting to see how their sound develops under his watch. Speaking of Throwing Muses, their new reunion album is essential as well, just as urgent and immediate as anything they've done. If you're not already familiar with them, I'm not sure it'd be the best place to start (in that case, I'd probably favor _The Real Ramona_ or _University_), but it's definitely still a rewarding album. Has anyone heard the new Blur album yet? I've heard very mixed things about it, so I've been apprehensive about picking it up. Somehow I just can't see the record being all that great now that Graham Coxon has left the band. Jase ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 19:45:18 -0400 From: Jase Subject: Liz and Peaches Did anyone else find it interesting that Liz quoted Peaches (although she got part of the lyric wrong) in the San Francisco Chronicle article Ken posted on Mesmerizing? I just find it kind of amusing, because I remember posting that "Hot White Cum" sounded like a Peaches song title, after we first heard about it (and before it was abbreviated to "H.W.C."). I didn't really think that Liz would be familiar with her work, though. Now there's an idea for a tour -- forget this whole Mraz thing, Liz. Do a headlining tour of your own and have Peaches open. Just be prepared, though; Peaches is a tough act to follow. I speak from experience, having seen her open for Elastica. For the record, "Fuck the Pain Away" is a great song to liven up any social gathering. Jase ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 04:09:19 -0400 From: Jase Subject: Bounced message From: Lizphairfan@aol.com Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 18:57:16 EDT Subject: hidden tour date?? To: support-system@smoe.org i have been a luker here for many years but i am so excited over what i saw today and had to post i was in a local music store accross the street from me in fords nj and i saw a sign in the window saying liz phair was playing there august 9 at 2 pm could it be the one and only liz who i have been listening to since the supernova days could be accross the street from me ?? thenks Matt ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 01:45:54 -0400 From: Jase Subject: Re: jimmy kimmel Sandra wrote: >she played why can't i and sounded, i thought, better. she also looked better, >or maybe it wasn't as close-up as the tonight show. I agree -- she looked a lot more comfortable and sounded better than on the Tonight Show appearance. She also had a huge smile on her face throughout most of the performance and you could tell she felt a lot more at ease. I think Jimmy Kimmel's introduction helped -- he said that he was a huge fan of hers and declared that _Exile in Guyville_ is a classic. Is it just me, or did anyone have a flashback to _Whip-Smart_-era Liz while watching her perform? I don't know if it's just her hair or her overall demeanor, but I was reminded both of the "Supernova" video and her performances of that song and "Cinco De Mayo" on 120 Minutes just after that album came out. Overall, a definite thumbs-up. I'm really looking forward to her tour. Jase ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 00:39:08 -0400 From: Jase Subject: Toronto Star review of 'Liz Phair' The Toronto Star's Vit Wagner reviewed the new album on Wednesday. It's kind of harsh, not very well written and doesn't say anything new, but here it is anyway: LIZ PHAIR Liz Phair (Capitol) The eponymous title is our first clue. Ten years after her landmark, lo-fi debut Exile In Guyville, indie diva Liz Phair has re-invented herself as mainstream pop princess. Imagine Avril Lavigne, armed with better pipes and a parental advisory. The Avril comparison isn't as far-fetched as it sounds, given the involvement of the Matrix, the sought-after production trio that crafted Lavigne's debut. Not only has Phair copped Avril's sound, she's prowling the same playground. "I want to play Xbox on your floor," is a come-on to a younger lover on "Rock Me." Phair, now 36 and a single mom, is as salty and lascivious as ever, but the provocation now sounds as forced and transparent as her musical transformation. Sales are now Phair's only possible vindication. Good luck to her. [http://www.torontostar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1056492620169&call_pageid=968867496921&col=969048868981] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 02:29:15 +0000 From: "jeF kearns" Subject: net EP Is anyone else having trouble getting their CD to authenticate for the internet EP site? Mine keeps giving me a "failed" message :( Te two best CDs ever (buy these!!!): www.cdbaby.com/dansteven2 www.cdbaby.com/dansteven _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 19:25:28 -0700 From: Kenneth Lee Subject: Liz / ROCKRGRL Hello again, Just added the transcription from the Summer issue of ROCKRGRL to the site. And the New York Times from the past two Sundays are there as well. Enjoy! - -Ken kenmlee@ix.netcom.com MeSmErIzInG - AnOtHeR LiZ PhAiR WeBsItE http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Club/2471/ ------------------------------ End of support-system-digest V6 #171 ************************************