From: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org (support-system-digest) To: support-system-digest@smoe.org Subject: support-system-digest V6 #151 Reply-To: support-system@smoe.org Sender: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk support-system-digest Sunday, June 15 2003 Volume 06 : Number 151 Today's Subjects: ----------------- June/July Magazines ["WaverRider" ] Liz EMI email spiel... [s.fried@ugrad.unimelb.edu.au] Re: Liz EMI email spiel... [TitleTK@aol.com] FW: [Trash-talk] NGR: Flaming Lips/ Liz Phair ["trent [hardcore since '74] Re: Liz EMI email spiel... ["Steven" ] Gallery of Sound [Emil Breton ] it's just that easy ["dana p." ] vitamin c e card - no liz [LilRussianGirl@aol.com] Re: vitamin c e card - no liz [TitleTK@aol.com] liz phair barbie dolls [LilRussianGirl@aol.com] Liz on World Cafe ["Eric Ginsburg" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 01:36:04 -0400 From: "WaverRider" Subject: June/July Magazines Can someone please summarize the June - June/July magazine issues that Liz is in? Someone on Ebay is selling a June/July issue which Liz is in, but they won't give the name. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 20:34:09 +1000 From: s.fried@ugrad.unimelb.edu.au Subject: Liz EMI email spiel... This from EMI (Liz's Australian distributor: Liz Phair's deeply clever and often brutally candid songs have been commanding ears and raising eyebrows ever since she started writing them, and her new self-titled fourth album is perhaps the strongest link yet in an incomparable musical chain. After her homemade "Girlysound" tapes quickly made the rounds among Chicago's indie tastemakers in the early 90s, she followed up with what is considered one of the most accomplished debut albums for any artist in any genre, 1993's Exile in Guyville.Following Guyville, Phair released two other highly-acclaimed albums, 1994's gold-certified Whip Smart (featuring modern rock radio hit "Supernova"), and 1998's deeply confessional whitechocolatespaceegg. She also toured with the Lilith Fair, got married, gave birth to a son, and got divorced. Released almost exactly ten years after Guyville made waves, Liz Phair is a testament to her continuing maturity as a composer and performer, but also harkens back to some of her most fearless songwriting about carnal knowledge (and ignorance). Alongside point-blank songs about love, loss and longing, the album contains a song called "H.W.C." (an acronym for "hot white come," as the chorus "Give me your hot white come" makes abundantly clear). Her name alone as the album's title suggests Phair at her most naked and direct. And her powerful brand of first-person narratives -- variously naughty, wistful, pointed, sexual, and humorous, often at the same time - are very much in evidence. Liz Phair is the latest chapter in one of rock's most indelible autobiographies, almost always going straight for the heart (and the loins) but just as often hitting squarely in the gut. And without apology. It was quite strange for moi to get this cause mostly the emails EMI send are about people like Robbie Williams or the Vines so it was quite a shock to get this. All in all though, this write-up is not bad and I was quite impressed that they didn't say that she has only acheived as a "female" singer-songwriter, that really pisses me off when people make being female a genre like that. The email also came with an e-card that said that the album's coming out in Australia June 30 - can anyone confirm this? Also, are any Aussies going to the Veruca Salt or Placebo concerts coming up? I'm getting quite excited about them! Seeya, Sally "Failure was on me cause your ideals bore me..." Sneaker Pimps ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 09:05:54 EDT From: TitleTK@aol.com Subject: Re: Liz EMI email spiel... In a message dated 6/14/03 6:35:17 AM Eastern Daylight Time, s.fried@ugrad.unimelb.edu.au writes: << Veruca Salt >> They still exist? Who knew? ============================================================= James E. Place TitleTK@aol.com Days until the new Liz Phair album is released: 11! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 11:36:48 -0400 From: "trent [hardcore since '74l]" Subject: FW: [Trash-talk] NGR: Flaming Lips/ Liz Phair This was posted to the Garbage mailing list ... Interesting take on Liz's performance. trent - -----Original Message----- From: trash-talk-bounces+pitchatrent=yahoo.com@tcp.com [mailto:trash-talk-bounces+pitchatrent=yahoo.com@tcp.com] On Behalf Of curtis Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2003 6:41 AM To: trash-talk@tcp.com Subject: [Trash-talk] NGR: Flaming Lips/ Liz Phair I got a chance to go see this show when I was in Dallas last week. First off, Wayne Coyne and the rest of the Lips are genius onstage. This wasn't the best concert I've ever seen, but it was the most entertaining, fun one. I went just to see Liz Phair and wasn't that familiar with anything except a little bit of Yoshimi Battles the Pink Robots but, after 6 1/2 hours of standing, sweating in the stagnant heat and then walking four blocks in a downpour back to my car, it was the Flaming Lips that had me smiling and feeling great about life. Liz who? Before the show, Wayne would come out the back door periodically, in his white linen stage suit, to wave at the people in line and talk to whomever would come up to the barricade. During the opening act, Starlight Mints, he came out the sides of the stage to shake a balloon animal or toss out giant balloons for the crowd to bounce about overhead. Between sets he'd patrol the stage with a huge leaf blower, cooling the audience. Starlight Mints were a little reminiscent of Talking Heads. Liz Phair was good, but disappointing at the same time. I'd heard she would be either solo, acoustic or stripped down. The latter certainly applied. She came out in fishnet hose, knee-high boots, black panties, purple t-shirt and a funky brown hat - puffy and droopy on top with a long brim in front - think 60's Carnaby Street. Introducing herself as "the musical interlude", she only played 6 or 7 short songs on Fender Jaguar, with Starlight Mints guitarist playing bass for her and a roadie (or maybe it was her famously young boyfriend) sitting on a chair playing acoustic. There was a real thrown together at the last minute feel to the set. A lot of people around me also came just to see her and were left wanting a lot more from the experience. When the Lips came out, all but Wayne were in animal costumes. The guitarist as a pink elephant. The bassist was a zebra. There were 7 or 8 extras (radio station employees and maybe fans) on each side of the stage dressed as giraffes, unicorns, bears, Santa Clause, etc. all dancing and waving high powered flashlights and balloon swords. The stage props were incredibly low-tech and produced a happy, innocent atmosphere. Hundreds of giant balloons, confetti, fake blood, robot blow-up dolls. Wayne swinging a hooded work light with a long tail of Christmas tinsel overhead, in Roger Daltry microphone style, batting at the balloons or skewering them with a nail taped to the headstock of his bizarre little acoustic guitar. Hundreds of giant homemade valentines were passed out into the crowd - colored, heart shaped paper with silly slogans written in Marks-a-lot such as "smile at at stranger" or "hey, hello hey". Mine said, "see you at the vitamin store". They used nothing the whole night that you couldn't buy at a hardware store or party supply shop. The only complex parts of the show were the music onstage and the synched video presentation throughout the set showing clips from early 60's Charles Bronson combat movies, 70's topless bikini girls kung-fu dancing, Teletubbies, and Japanese all girl action films or animations with plots resembling the Yoshimi songs. It's too bad they're at the end of their tour. They play Bonnaroo today and then a few dates in Norway, Montreaux, UK and Ireland. I've never such a goofy, happy vibe at a show. The security guys were going up and down the aisles, collecting armloads of empty bottles and trash and disposing of them for fans. One of the biggest, meanest looking guys was even cradling one of the small, heart shaped balloons to his chest, swaying to the music. It was an evening full of strange sights. _______________________________________________ Trash-talk mailing list Trash-talk@tcp.com http://www.tcp.com/mailman/listinfo/trash-talk ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 02:26:32 +1000 From: "Steven" Subject: Re: Liz EMI email spiel... From: >that the album's coming out in Australia June 30 - can anyone confirm this? Also, are any Aussies going to >the Veruca Salt or Placebo concerts coming up? I'm getting quite excited about them! argh, glad you posted about it I hadn't heard anything about it.... I'll be going to the Sydney one if any *checking dates* bugger, I get back from canada the day after... hmm, time to see about an earlier flight... Anybody know of any good concerts on in the States between 27th of June and 14th July? Steven ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 12:24:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Emil Breton Subject: Gallery of Sound article from galleryofsound.com: Phair Exchange Liz Phair's tumultuous new life informs the core of her self-titled new album. by Brian Baker "It used to bother me a little bit but it shouldn't because it's absolutely accurate," says Liz Phair when asked about the perception that her art mirrors her life. "I make the albums to chronicle my life and times and my emotional states. They're a diary of where I've been and where I'm going." With her stunning 1993 debut, Exile in Guyville, each album has been an exercise in documentary songwriting for Phair. Guyville served as a simultaneous celebration and indictment of Chicago's boy's club indie rock scene at the time as well as Phair's powerful sexual manifesto. The following year saw the release of Whip Smart, her introspective response to the reaction to Guyville, while her marriage and pregnancy informed the sedate and reflective yet energetic whitechocolatespaceegg in 1998. For the past five years, Phair has been largely out of the limelight, playing occasional shows but tending primarily to domestic life and sporadically recording. With the release of her self-titled new album, Phair serves notice that she's back musically, sexually and culturally. The two events that most sharply define Phair's new album are her recent divorce and her expanding role as a mother. Her reemergence as an available single woman is tempered with the realities of her parental responsibilities, resulting in material that ranges from the sweetly lascivious "H.W.C." to the heart-wrenching "Little Digger," a song that documents a meeting between a young son experiencing his father's absence and his mother's new boyfriend. It is one of the most moving moments Phair has ever committed to tape. "My friends cried when they heard that one," says Phair. One of Phair's most difficult tasks with the new album was trying to apply some measure of consistency to songs that were recorded by numerous producers over a four year span. With tracks helmed by Michael Penn and R. Walt Vincent, demos with Phair's whitechocolatespaceegg touring band and a handful of songs produced by the Matrix team (Avril Lavigne, Mariah Carey), Phair found a way to solidify several different recording periods, production processes and sonic directions to make a cohesive whole. "I had to decide what I wanted to do with it all," says Phair. "A lot of the songs that I really liked rocked and I had my favorite small ones, but I didn't want to bring the energy down too much. A lot of the stuff that I was excited by had a lot of energy to it, so it raised the bar. In the end it all seemed to come together naturally, and I felt great about that." Although Phair was very appreciative of Penn's production for the album (his sessions are the most well-represented at five tracks), she began to feel less invested in the album's sonic philosophy. "He's a wonderful man and very unique," says Phair admiringly of Penn. "But I wanted the record to represent how I felt. I ended up going back and needing to have other material included so it felt like the emotional statement I needed to make. Otherwise it felt like his record. I needed it to feel like my record, and it wasn't going to unless it was kinda sloppy, a little louder and a little more obnoxious and had my emotional landscape included." With that goal in mind, Phair sought out the help of Pete Yorn producer R. Walt Vincent (who produced two tracks and sweetened a couple of the band demos), and then moved to the hitmaking Matrix team. "We needed some songs that could get on the radio, so I could have another go at the whole phenomenon of record making," says Phair. "That's a choice I made. I wanted to get on the radio, dammit. I've been trying and my stuff isn't really radio stuff. I was as trepidatious as anyone walking into [the Matrix]. Certainly, it doesn't sound exactly like my stuff would by itself, but I didn't mind that. I found that really thrilling. I felt like they gave me a boost, and I got to hear myself recorded in such a way that it felt heroic and I felt really proud to blast it out of stereos. I've never had that experience before. It was like driving a very fast, expensive car." Emil asks snarkily: Is the new album actually 'kinda sloppy' in spots? and... that bio from EMI Australia is a total fucking joke. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 12:52:28 -0700 From: "dana p." Subject: it's just that easy hey, jeremy: i know we've had our differences here, but i have to say "thank you" for your last post, 'cause i think you're totally right on everything (plus it cracked me up and that's always good). the comparison to the pixies was bizarre to me. liz and frank black are two totally different creatures.... and, of course, i have to agree fully with "emil" on his comments. 'cause that's where i'm coming from on that stuff as well. it's a matter of *how* she says stuff, not being stuck in 1993, at the age of 25, or whatever. her lyrics are completely plastic these days; they have that "new car smell".... and as far as her interview statements/explanations go, i think she just says whatever's convenient at the time. which is her prerogative, but i do think she's into pulling our collective leg. she has that uncanny ability to write a catchy, hummable tune (which not everyone can do!!), but the words.... man, it makes it tough for me. yikes. and the thing is, there IS such a thing as superclever pop. the bubblygummy "sound" does *not* offend me; it's the superstupid words from a 36-year-old woman that grate on me. give us all a break! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 20:38:28 EDT From: LilRussianGirl@aol.com Subject: vitamin c e card - no liz I think someone sent this to me by accident -- cheesy vitamin c hs graduation music e card. See what she's become? Wasn't there a vitamin c doll, too? Just think if "Liz Phair" takes off! What possibilities. look out lizzie! >>To view your music greeting, simply click here: http://www.beatgreets.com/view.pd?i=143759165&m=9971&rr=y&source=bg999 If your e-mail doesn't recognize the above address as a link, simply copy and paste it in your browser address window. If you have any comments or if you're freaking out because you can't get the music greeting to work, visit our Help pages at http://www. beatgreets.com/customer/emailus.pd?source=bg999 Your Friends at BG ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 20:43:15 EDT From: TitleTK@aol.com Subject: Re: vitamin c e card - no liz In a message dated 6/14/03 8:39:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time, LilRussianGirl@aol.com writes: << Wasn't there a vitamin c doll, too? Just think if "Liz Phair" takes off! What possibilities. look out lizzie! >> Woah! A Liz Phair doll! How awesome would that be? I think there should be a whole line of indie-rock barbi dolls. The Breeders? Sleater-Kinney? And Steve Albini can play Ken . . . I would so buy that. james ============================================================= James E. Place 180 Sachem Rd. N. Kingstown, RI 02852 401-885-0564 TitleTK@aol.com Days until the new Liz Phair album is released: 11! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 20:46:04 EDT From: LilRussianGirl@aol.com Subject: liz phair barbie dolls In a message dated 6/14/03 8:42:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, TitleTK writes: > > Woah! A Liz Phair doll! How awesome would that be? I think there should > be a whole line of indie-rock barbi dolls. The Breeders? Sleater-Kinney? > And Steve Albini can play Ken . . . I would so buy that. I was just being a smart ass, but you are right. That would be cool. =) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 01:04:06 -0400 From: "Eric Ginsburg" Subject: Liz on World Cafe WXPN in Philadelphia aired a "Conversations" episode of The World Cafe, a nationally syndicated radio show with David Dye, on NPR, recorded in Philly. Quote David (more or less): "....Liz Phair...one of my favorite things to talk about." David and the visiting album critic discussed the merits of the new album. It seems they liked the songs, but were concerned that Liz had given total control to The Matrix. It appeard to be contrary to her earlier work, where songwriting and production was completely in her control. Oh well, they played Why Can't I and Stratford-On-Guy. - -Ginz _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ End of support-system-digest V6 #151 ************************************