From: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org (support-system-digest) To: support-system-digest@smoe.org Subject: support-system-digest V6 #143 Reply-To: support-system@smoe.org Sender: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk support-system-digest Saturday, June 7 2003 Volume 06 : Number 143 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Liz / Blender [Kenneth Lee ] maybe we should take up a collection... ["Chris DeLisle" ] Re: avril/liz article [TitleTK@aol.com] liz on mtv (sorta) [Andrea Uptmor ] my 2 cents on the new record ["Chris DeLisle" ] another few cents to Liz ["Chris DeLisle" ] Liz / ICE [Kenneth Lee ] Liz / Instinct [Kenneth Lee ] Blow-Up! dvd [C79helium@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 23:06:07 -0700 From: Kenneth Lee Subject: Liz / Blender In response to Emil Breton / Steve Kisko... The June / July Blender article / pictures are now available for viewing at Mesmerizing. A special thanks to Robbie McCown for the transcription and some of the scans. Enjoy! - -Ken kenmlee@ix.netcom.com MeSmErIzInG - AnOtHeR LiZ PhAiR WeBsItE http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Club/2471/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 06:52:55 -0400 From: "Chris DeLisle" Subject: maybe we should take up a collection... fellow Listers, re: KEN LEE, get thee to a Barnes & Noble (er, your "local newsstand") and purchase the aforementioned publications. you would think after all this time and all of his hard work that we could come up with a collection for Ken, or just send the magazines out to him! :) chris deLisle ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 09:24:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Valerie Subject: avril/liz article just picked up the new "stomp & stammer" (sometimes-amusing-sometimes-pretentious-always-free atlanta music rag)...there's a two-page spread entitled "mamas, don't let your avrils grow up to be liz phairs." take a guess at the slant. there's some coverage of the recent avril show, interviews with her young, tie-wearing fans, then goes on to rip on liz for her new direction (there are a couple of "ouch" moments). anyway, i'm technologically challenged but if you send me your address, ken, i'll send you a copy. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 09:32:27 EDT From: TitleTK@aol.com Subject: Re: avril/liz article In a message dated 6/6/03 9:23:49 AM Eastern Daylight Time, valerieb@mindspring.com writes: << "mamas, don't let your avrils grow up to be liz phairs." take a guess at the slant. there's some coverage of the recent avril show, interviews with her young, tie-wearing fans, then goes on to rip on liz for her new direction >> Is this pro avril and anti-Liz? or anti-both? james ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 09:35:08 -0500 From: Andrea Uptmor Subject: liz on mtv (sorta) - -- hey guys, last night I gorged myself on the supreme act of sensationalism that is the MTV 2003 Movie Awards, and I nearly jumped off my couch (well, ok, I did jump off my couch) when, after a commercial break, they played the opening chords to "Extraordinary" while panning over the audience...my friends thought i was a bit too excited, but I must say, it made my heart pitter-patter with joy and love to know that Liz made it on MTV...:) good for her, I say. Andrea U. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 17:19:15 -0400 From: "Chris DeLisle" Subject: my 2 cents on the new record hello, all. i've just listened to the new album for the first time. i have to admit that i was a little reluctant. i mean, GOD, the four songs i'd heard and that damned stream of bits of her record on her web-site did not sit too well with me. but i think it's the computer's fault. as i'd guessed earlier, i needed the context of the whole album. i needed an actual record (or disc) in my hands. i needed headphones, and not my little crappy computer-speakers. i am throwing in my lot with all of those who love the record. Liz, i barely recognize you, but you've done it again! my findings (almost in chronological track-by-track order): - -- after listening to a number of songs, i've got to reiterate something i've said in the past. Liz Phair always puts at least one thing in each song (hook, chorus, verses, guitar, drum sound, whatever) that draws me in every single time. - -- just listened to "Red Light Fever," and i'm not entirely sure why everyone's ripped into this one or thought of it as mediocre. - -- hey, is that Avril Lavigne singing back-up on "Why Can't I?" surely, there's someone else other than Liz singing there. - -- love the opening to "It's Sweet." - -- is it the words? or rather, the lack of relating to her songs on as deeply an emotional level as you have in the past? i, too, will say that not one of the songs did it for me, lyrically. i still love that line about not having a real record collection because the guy doesn't know who Liz Phair is. myself, i don't really pay as much attention to words anymore. sure, it's GREAT when the actual lyrics mean something to you (and EIG & W-S meant volumes to me), but something happened in music not long ago that made me think twice about the lyrics of songs. now, this is even coming from an "aspiring writer's" point of view: when i was in high school, lyrics by Roger Waters of Pink Floyd, Pete Townshend of the Who and Neil Peart of Rush basically helped form the foundation of how i viewed the world and how i thought about things. (kind of pathetic, but hey, i was a teenager.) alas, the lyrics were VERY important to me. when i first got into REM (post-"Green" / pre-"Out Of Time" / freshman year of college), what struck me as the most important instrument in the band was the sound of Michael Stipe's voice. not exactly WHAT he was singing, but how he was singing it. roughly a year later, "Nevermind" came out and once again, it wasn't what he was saying, but how Cobain said it that really struck a chord. in the ensuing years, jazz sort of obliterated all use for lyrics for me. while listening to Radiohead, it occurred to me that lyrics were often merely the structure, and they just gave you an excuse to sing along with the song if you wanted to. King Crimson pretty much does the same. as much as i love King Crimson, the words haven't meant anything to me. - -- love the Cheap Trick ("Surrender?" "Dream Police?") / Pete Townshend (circa WHO ARE YOU album) synthesizers in "Love/Hate Transmission." - -- "H.W.C." -- ok, it's a fairly decent song, but is this going to be another one of those "touchstone" songs where all the articles are going to be about it? i remember reading all those articles from 1993 or so and every single one of them mentions "Flower" and "Fuck And Run" and virtually nothing else, therefore missing most of the emotional quotient of the entire record. it's a diversionary song. it's just one track. get over it. write about something else. - -- "Good Love Never Dies" -- sounds quite a bit like "Only Love Can Break Your Heart" by Neil Young is in there somewhere. and i think a wee little bit of Styx ("Fooling Yourself (The Angry Young Man)?") is in there. you know i haven't thought about it lately, but Liz still loves to sample other people's songs without them knowing it. remember the "Summer Breeze" bit from the song "Down?" in that sense, she's still got a bit of the "girlysound" in her. so, if lyrics are what do it for you, i understand how the new Liz Phair record might piss you off. critics love to pounce on this, especially with artists as extraordinary as Liz. has anyone ever ripped on Radiohead's lyrics? is there any reason to think about them one way or the other? but you can count me turned on! can't say which song is my favorite, yet, but i'm sure it will change a number of times. just like all the other great records eventually do. chris deLisle p.s. -- hey, Liz: Will Roadie For Food & Travel for your tour. i've got nothing planned for the rest of the summer... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 20:15:54 -0400 From: "Chris DeLisle" Subject: another few cents to Liz OPEN E-MAIL TO LIZ Liz, love the album! you've got to exploit the shit out of "It's Sweet" when you play it live. none of this 2:50 stuff. the groove on that one is killer. that song needs/deserves to be played for four or five minutes, at least. play it early (1st or 2nd). play it long. dance around the stage. your band will get off on it. you'll have the entire crowd in the palm of your hand. *** for those of you who are worried about the new album, don't be. as you can tell by my 2 posts today, i'm very, very, very excited about this album's release and the impending tour. we should come up with projected / suggested set lists. i've been thinking about possible set lists for the next tour for the last couple of hours. i feel a little guilty to the group i used to belong in (ie. those who hadn't heard the album, yet). but let me be your John the Baptist ~ i'll brave the inevitable head on the platter thing ~ and say that it's coming and it's better than you might think given your internet exposure. chris deLisle ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 17:41:59 -0700 From: Kenneth Lee Subject: Liz / ICE Hi all, The June ICE with outtakes is now available for viewing at Mesmerizing. Another article should be up this evening. Enjoy! - -Ken kenmlee@ix.netcom.com MeSmErIzInG - AnOtHeR LiZ PhAiR WeBsItE http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Club/2471/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 19:00:49 -0700 From: Kenneth Lee Subject: Liz / Instinct Hi all, The June Instinct article is now available for viewing at Mesmerizing. That didn't take as long to transcribe as I thought it would. More to come. Enjoy! - -Ken kenmlee@ix.netcom.com MeSmErIzInG - AnOtHeR LiZ PhAiR WeBsItE http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Club/2471/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 22:32:30 EDT From: C79helium@aol.com Subject: Blow-Up! dvd Forgive me if this already has been mentioned on this mailing list but there is a Various Artist DVD out now called "Blow-Up!" which has the video for Liz Phair "extraordinary" on it. Also has videos by Coldplay, The Dandy Warhols, The Star Spangles, The Music, Fischerspooner, Idlewild, Verbena, Doves, Ok Go, Telepopmusik, Dirty Vegas, Vines & an exclusive footage of Radiohead. BTW: I totally dig the new Liz Phair album. Hope for the best of luck for her new album & tour she is doing. -cana- "That I'm a little despot, short and stout, Here is my handgun, here is my crowd control, When you tick me off then the bullets fly out." "Don't come and play, I like to be on my own, don't miss me, people say I'm better off alone" liz phair ------------------------------ End of support-system-digest V6 #143 ************************************