From: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org (support-system-digest) To: support-system-digest@smoe.org Subject: support-system-digest V6 #136 Reply-To: support-system@smoe.org Sender: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk support-system-digest Saturday, May 31 2003 Volume 06 : Number 136 Today's Subjects: ----------------- more SF show ["john kim" ] i heart liz [Margery Reese Pepper ] Re: live liz photos ["John A. Johnson" ] liz's peers [Dan MacDonald ] ring of fire ["dana p." ] Not so different after all... ["Daaaaan Theman" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 02:11:08 -0400 From: "john kim" Subject: more SF show her voice is still wobbly. it's cute. i kept thinking, maybe she's sick or something. like her voice just didn't sound that overpowering--maybe i've been watching too much american idol. but i don't think that's why anyone here really liked liz to begin with. kind of strong--then immediately to wobbly. but she was spot on (pitch) when it got difficult and up and down. people kept saying to turn up the volume, which wasn't very high. and she looked old. or at least older than she did 5 years ago when i saw her on tour for wcse. still good. but wearing too much make up. plus the lighting was bad, which made her look worse. making shadows on her face. no. don't get me wrong though. liz is hott. comments i forgot to make about the show: i thought someone would scream "i love you!" but no one did. i think i would've if i wasn't up in the balcony. a few people screamed songs. that is all. jk _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 02:16:05 -0500 From: Margery Reese Pepper Subject: i heart liz i'm not a super fan of the new album. but that doesn't mean i have to stop being a superfan. i'm so excited to see her in austin next week. it's an early show and i'm getting there at noon. anyone else going? (email me) want to make support-system t-shirts? i've been waiting for 8 years for this. and no album, no matter how different or crappy, will ruin it. i almost wish this was an N*Sync list so i would have her hotel room info. anyone have a guess as to where she'll stay in austin? is anyone else giddy that she's touring at all? i realize liz is a laid-back kindof too-cool-for-excitement thing...but come on! we've spent years bitching about the lack of album and lack of touring. it's here!!!! WAHOOOOOOOO!!!! love, reese ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 07:44:32 -0400 From: "John A. Johnson" Subject: Re: live liz photos The concert in Portland was May 23rd, and here is a better link that points to the full size photos rather than the thumbnails: http://www.krisbell.com/archives/000314.htm On Thu, 29 May 2003 11:08:23 -0700 (PDT) Emil Breton wrote: >AND... here's two more photos from a Lips show; not >sure about the date, though: > >http://www.krisbell.com/images/5.24.03.LizPhair-thumb.JPG > >http://www.krisbell.com/images/5.24.03.LizPhair1-thumb.JPG - ---------------------------------------------- John A. Johnson http://www.personal.psu.edu/~j5j/ My views do not necessarily reflect the official views of Penn State. Penn State is not responsible for my behavior. Nor am I for the university's. "Don't take yourself too seriously/There are precious few things worth hating nowadays/And none of them is me." -- Todd Rundgren ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 10:58:52 -0400 From: Dan MacDonald Subject: liz's peers what i'm excited about is when the bitchy comments from liz's peers or former peers start leaking out about liz's new sound. can u imagine what someone like courtney love would say about this new album? or kim gordon or better yet, barbara manning?? didn't she already have it out for liz? she's gonna have a field day with this one. i think liz is aware of this - which is probably why she's opening for the Flaming Lips and not Nick Carter. did anyone notice how EIG-heavy her live sets are? if she loves her new songs so much, why isn't she playing them live? is she afraid they'll be laughed off the stage by snobby flaming lips fans, or does she not like them all that much either, contrary to what we are reading? could u imagine if all this super-production was really liz being taken advantage of by a big record label who wanted liz to have a hit for them? oh, to dream. dan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 10:59:57 -0700 From: "dana p." Subject: ring of fire actually, i think her current setlist is reassuring; "rock me" and "why can't i?" are the only new songs on the list. i dunno, maybe it's tailored for the lips crowd. she knows everyone's familiar with her earlier stuff. "divorce song," "stratford," "glory," and "fuck and run." that's pretty cool. alrighty.... and good point about the "creepy fans" thing. that's exactly what i think--and i think she's gonna end up regretting her choice that way. you're right; it makes absolutely no sense. sure she's gonna "move units" but she's also gonna acquire the throngs and all that implies. which she hates, so this should be interesting. she prolly figures she's so skilled at blowing people off that it won't matter. (i also agree with the bad press outcome; in fact, i think the bad reviews are *really* gonna start pouring in over the next coupla weeks here. what's happening now, on this list, is nothing.). i was saying in another e-mail that even *sugar ray* started sexing up and going a bit "deeper" with their lyrics 'cause they *couldn't stand* playing to crowds of teenage girls anymore; i mean, they even came right out and said so. of course, this was *after* they made their millions, so there you go. as far as the taking too long between albums, there are tons of artists out there who come out with stuff every two years or so. 'cause, you know, they actually want to have careers in music. *** i just read an old, old article on ken lee's site where she says that she doesn't like the pace of being a professional musician. which she's proved, but now, as she signed on the dotted line, she's gonna have to get it together and get stuff out every two years or so because, hey, this is what it takes. and she's gonna have to tour a lot more, too. *** with alot of this stuff she's been saying lately, i really wonder if she's just trying to convince herself--like, hope against hope--that she's made the right decision here. and/ r trying to *not* face the fact that EVERYONE is stuck on the wheel of life, artistic geniuses included. sometimes it's just all drudgery and there's no way out. i know what she's trying to do; she's smarter than most and knew it would come to this and tried to avoid it, but you just can't.... i tried to do it myself. that article was really interesting. and, yikes, she said, when referring to the frenetic pace you have to keep up as a musician, "what if jim and i got married and i got pregnant? then i'd only have to deal with that...." the whole article was about how she always gets what she wants, one way or another. *totally* interesting. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 23:03:03 -0400 From: "Daaaaan Theman" Subject: Not so different after all... So I was reading some "Exile" era articles and came across this interesting quote on Ken's site. It's from Rolling Stone, July 1993: "I write weird, dissonant chord structures sometimes, but I'm always trying to counterbalance that with disgustingly catchy pop hooks," she says. "I'm basically trying to make the kind of stuff I want to hear on the radio." So get your heads out of your asses, I'm sorry, but I really don't find the new album that much of a stretch for her. Maybe lyrically. I don't know. To me the most unusual song on the album is one that Liz wrote and produced herself ("My Bionic Eyes"). It just doesn't fit. I like it, but it feels like a rejected song from an Austin Powers movie. And maybe "Favorite" is slightly cheesy, but what a great melody! I love the album, I've listened to it multiple times a day since I first got it almost 2 months ago. And I've finally heard "Why Can't I?" on 95.5 in New York twice. I love it. Liz has finally accomplished what she always wanted. Got my Bowery Ballroom ticket too. Already have tickets for the Beacon gig. It's gonna be a fun summer. - -Dan _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ End of support-system-digest V6 #136 ************************************