From: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org (support-system-digest) To: support-system-digest@smoe.org Subject: support-system-digest V6 #135 Reply-To: support-system@smoe.org Sender: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk support-system-digest Friday, May 30 2003 Volume 06 : Number 135 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: "Why Can't I?" moves up the Hot AC chart [AWeiss4338@aol.com] i beg to differ ["dana p." ] setlist for the Warfield, SF, CA, May 28, 2003 [Kenneth Lee ] Re: SF show report [TitleTK@aol.com] Re: Liz Phair in San Francisco Bay Guardian ["Eric Ginsburg" ] Liz at the Warfield. [Polygrrrl@aol.com] live liz photos [Emil Breton ] liz @ starbux ["over pavema" ] stuff ["Mike Katsoulis" ] Bounced message [owner-support-system@smoe.org (by way of Jase ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 02:09:06 EDT From: AWeiss4338@aol.com Subject: Re: "Why Can't I?" moves up the Hot AC chart I just checked out the new airplay charts posted today at radioandrecords.com. "Why Can't I?" has been added at 10 more stations this past week, bringing the total up to 41 now. The song was played 395 times during the week, up from 268 spins during the previous week, which was enough for the song to move from #39 to #32. If the momentum keeps building during the next few weeks, I wouldn't be surprised to see it in the Top Ten by the time the album is released. My first encounter with hearing the song on the radio was this afternoon. A couple of co-workers and I walked over to Tim Hortons (an ubiquitous coffee place here in Canada; there's seemingly one on every block) on our lunch break. While waiting in line, I thought I heard something familiar being played quietly in the background and I had one of those quick "Wait, is it or is it not?" moments before realizing it was. I then proceeded to embarrass everyone I was with by exclaiming, "Holy shit, they're playing Liz Phair!" a lot louder than I had intended. Even with my mixed feelings about the new album, it seems that I still can't help but be excited to hear the song being played on something other than my own stereo. Which also makes it's debut at #36 on Billboards Adutl top 40 chart. Jase I'm not trying to step on your toes. I've heard the song on WPLJ, NYC's Adult top 40 station, while it sounds good on the radio, it's also a little unnerving that it's Liz on the last station I'd ever imagined her to be heard on. I agree, this is going to be in the top ten when the album comes out, and wow, Liz, in the top ten, freaky. For the person who wondered what the radio is doing about the line 'we haven't f*cked yet,' their erasing it. But not so much that you don't get the idea, which is good. Andrea ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 23:29:08 -0700 From: "dana p." Subject: i beg to differ [this kid used to write this drivel for the Universityof Michigan student newspaper ... he's been writingsanctimonious crap like this for years ...] ummm, what? drivel? sanctimonious? please.... this guy nails it to the wall. ha ha: more art for her to "subvert" or whatever the fuck she thinks she's doing.... i think he laid his points out really well. in other news, i found jase's comment about her being more "fake" with EIG and now she's being more "real" to be totally fascinating. i wanted to get in on that one right away, but i'm too bogged down with stuff right now... uurrgh. oh, here's a question: whatever happened to that guy (john henderson, i think's his name) who left the production of EIG in disgust? anyone know anything about that? or him? just curious; i wonder if he's still in music. and maybe another topic will get started here, i dunno, but we had a discussion in my ProTools class about the current state of music, particularly that artists really have no incentive to record due to the napster stuff. is it really just a matter of musicians pulling an ani and doing distribution themselves? are labels gonna become obsolete? i thought i had this all figured out at one time, but now i'm not sure.... anyhoo, laters. dp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 00:33:13 -0700 From: Kenneth Lee Subject: setlist for the Warfield, SF, CA, May 28, 2003 Hello all, Here's the setlist from tonight's show: Glory (performed solo) Johnny Feelgood (performed with guitarist and bassist) Stratford On Guy (Liz added this at the last moment) (performed solo) Why Can't I? (performed with guitarist and bassist) Divorce Song (performed with guitarist and bassist) Rock Me (Liz didn't play on this one, with guitarist and bassist) Supernova (performed with guitarist and bassist) Fuck And Run (performed solo with guitarist adding occasional accompaniment) More details later... - -Ken kenmlee@ix.netcom.com MeSmErIzInG - AnOtHeR LiZ PhAiR WeBsItE http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Club/2471/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 04:09:40 -0400 From: "john kim" Subject: SF show report expository (if you just care about liz, go to next paragraph) ok. so i went to the show tonight at the warfield. if you know the warfield, the balcony sucks. it gets hot and you can barely see shit unless you are low and in the middle. i was in the upper corner. tried to get the people downstairs to let me down on the floor for liz, but they wouldn't let me. tried standing at the front of balcony, but got kicked out. so i just sat in empty seats in the center hoping no one would kick me out even though the ushers were pulling ridiculous attitude on me. liz came out. to warm applause. there still weren't alot of people in there. she was accompanied by some hipster guy on acoustic and the bass player from the starlight mints (a band from OK city that opened the show). she was playing her silvery-white guitar (not the red one). they sat in two chairs on either side of liz, who stood up and played. it was really cool. it reminded me of how it would be on her first tours solo or whatever. just her standing stark there by herself--kindof--on stage. she took a couple of songs to loosen up, but got into it and she looked super happy. i've been shitting on the new album w/ all the other indie kids, but i gotta say that liz is so fucking charming live, that it didn't matter what kind of bullshit she was singing. i also think that having her live and raw helped instead of the super-produced stuff that's on her record. like you can't hear all the cheesey effects, and it's just liz's voice and guitar so you can appreciate it better---unlike what i thought her wcse tour was like w/ the full band, this was much more of an intimate sound, obviously. i even was sitting there during the breakdown/bridge part of "why can't i"--which i hate the recorded version of--thinking that it was SO LIZ. i know it sounds crazy. i didn't even cringe when she sang the "xbox" line during "rock me." i think that if you are taken enough by liz to be on a list like this, you will enjoy seeing her play even the new songs live-at least in the stripped down form. so go see her if you get the chance even if you hate the new album. some of the songs she sang and played w/o accompaniment. usually the other guys played with her. the acoustic guitar guy kind of sucked. he played a couple of the songs too fast. he also would strum the high strings really hard which made this terrible vibrating sound that would make the first half of every measure sound like crap. liz said she was reall happy to be on tour and she looked it. talked about how much she loves the warfield. i know people are interested in what she wears, so: some boots and an army jumper looking thing. the flaming lips mount a camera on the front mic stand so that was on the whole time she was singing w/ a huge thing of her face projected behind her. at the end of her set, wayne from the lips came out and got everyone to clap really loud (if you have been to a lips show, you know what i'm talking about) and i thought she would come back out and do another song, but she didn't. here's the setlist: glory johnny feelgood stratford why can't i divorce song rock me johnny feelgood fuck and run _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 08:22:41 EDT From: TitleTK@aol.com Subject: Re: SF show report John (or anyone else that went to the SF show), What does her voice sound like? Is it as clear sounding as on the new recordings or still kind of wobbly live? I just think it will be weird to hear the new stuff in this totally perfect voice. james ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 09:39:17 -0400 From: "Eric Ginsburg" Subject: Re: Liz Phair in San Francisco Bay Guardian The writer accuses Liz of abandoning her youthful, bohemian beginnings for modeling, festival-touring, and other money making activities. And yet, he accuses Liz of sandbagging, waiting four and five years between albums. So which is it? Indifference or profiteering? His argument would have been better if he simply said, "...eeew, and like, I hate her shoes." As a fan who has waited years between albums and prayed for a live show anywhere in my timezone, I can't see how her attitude has anything to do with money. If there were any products available, I'd have bought them. Perhaps this is simply the music that Liz wants to make right now. Other than that, I liked the article. Back, after a few years, - -Ginz >Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 10:13:15 -0700 >From: carrma@WellsFargo.COM >Subject: Liz Phair in San Francisco Bay Guardian > >Not exactly the auspicious, ambitious beginnings of a >millionaire-in-the-making. When Phair signed to Capitol, jumped on the >Lilith Fair bandwagon, and started showing up in Levi's ads and singing on >Sheryl Crow songs, suddenly her ode to brass in pocket seemed more >prescient >than anyone ever suspected. _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 10:22:42 -0400 From: Dan MacDonald Subject: san francisco treat trent wrote: this kid used to write this drivel for the University of Michigan student newspaper ... he's been writing sanctimonious crap like this for years ... wasn't he actually ON this list at one time? i'm sure i remember emailing this guy about all kinds of stuff - like - seven years ago or something ridiculous like that....but the name rings really familiar. i liked his article, i thought it was funny. the only part i didn't agree with was the "madonna's piece-of-shit album" part. i love madonna's new one - i think it's pretty fun. i still say, if we chop out tracks one through three, and get rid of that stupid underwear song, the album wouldn't be *all* that bad. has anyone seen the video yet? i'm guessing it's only a matter of time before we do, just wasn't sure if there was a release date for it yet... crossing my fingers for the six-song internet ep... dan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 13:05:34 EDT From: Polygrrrl@aol.com Subject: Liz at the Warfield. So how was the Warfield show? What'd she play? How'd she look? Tell all! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 11:08:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Emil Breton Subject: live liz photos Here's a blurb from Billboard.com about Liz's set at the Gorge in Seattle: <> and the photo accompanying it: http://www.billboard.com/billboard/photos/artists/liz-phair3.gif AND... here's two more photos from a Lips show; not sure about the date, though: http://www.krisbell.com/images/5.24.03.LizPhair-thumb.JPG http://www.krisbell.com/images/5.24.03.LizPhair1-thumb.JPG So glad to hear that she actually performed several songs SOLO and opened with "Glory" (???). Wow. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 00:24:18 +0000 From: "over pavema" Subject: liz @ starbux no big deal, but i noticed today that 'extraordinary' is on the new HEAR music sampler, available at starbucks everywhere (literally), and, i'm sure, at HEAR music stores in berkeley, and other west-coast locations. o btw, isn't it possible to interpret the word 'extraordinary' to mean, extra-ordinary, meaning more ordinary than the ordinary person? maybe that's what the song is really saying: i am extra ordinary / if you ever get to know me (read: i'm more pedestrian than anyone you know, which is what makes me unique, if not exactly interesting, and you should spend a lot of your time getting to know someone who is duller than the average bear...)? i don't know; maybe i'm wrong; maybe she meant it in its more commonly-used form. its more ...ordinary form. :-\ _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 21:30:59 -0500 From: "Mike Katsoulis" Subject: stuff <<- -- it kind of feels like when someone you love tells you that they can't go out with you because they need someone "more stable" because the two of you are "too combustible" (ie. her relationship with her "creepy" old fans) ~ and then they turn around and marry someone you find extremely lame (ie. "the Avrilian masses"). has that ever happened to anybody else out there? (crickets chirping?)>> this whole "creepy" fan business is dumb... if she doesn't like creepy fans, than why the hell is she doing the whole major label thing? if she gets ANYTHING out of this, it will be a plethora of annoying, obsessive fans. so yeah... dumb argument. in the end i think this is all a lot of bad press for her... people who don't know liz's music simply think she is a rich, bratty, middle-aged wannabe. at least that is what my friends tell me. they don't get what was ever so amazing about her. That wont sell records. on the other hand - radio is playing the hell out of "why can't i." fuck, i even heard it the other day when i was getting my hair cut. Even my spanish teacher (the one who took me on that field trip to the art institute of chicago where i met liz's mom) has heard the song... and this is a 50+ woman who does not keep up with the trends... she knows i'm a liz fan, and even she was like "mike have you heard the new liz song? her old fans must be really upset with this..." Even my SPANISH TEACHER realizes how out-of-place liz is in this market... oh well mike ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 23:01:17 -0400 From: owner-support-system@smoe.org (by way of Jase ) Subject: Bounced message From: Jason Stone Subject: Liz Tix To: support-system@smoe.org I have a pair of tix to the Liz Phair/Flaming Lips show in San Diego Friday. If anybody is interested in them, drop me a line. Have a nice day! JASON in AZ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 21:49:01 -0500 From: "Mike Katsoulis" Subject: maybe does anyone else think they would feel better about the album if liz made some sort of mention of her past self? she could have done something in a really interesting, subtle way that her newer, cooler fans wouldn't pick up on. for example, i automatically think of nina gordon on her solo b-side "black and blonde." has anyone ever heard that song? in the end she sings a few lines of her classic Veruca Salt song "earthcrosser." to me, it was a way of her saying "i know that my style changed, but its still me... i still love you guys... give me a chance. i haven't forgotten you." it was really assuring. mike ------------------------------ End of support-system-digest V6 #135 ************************************