From: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org (support-system-digest) To: support-system-digest@smoe.org Subject: support-system-digest V6 #130 Reply-To: support-system@smoe.org Sender: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk support-system-digest Sunday, May 25 2003 Volume 06 : Number 130 Today's Subjects: ----------------- anyone attend the Portland show? [Kenneth Lee ] Whatever, I still care...sorta ["Mark J. Foxx" ] Re: Whatever, I still care...sorta [TitleTK@aol.com] Nashville / Entertainment Weekly [Emil Breton ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 22:58:48 -0700 From: Kenneth Lee Subject: anyone attend the Portland show? Did anyone attend tonight's Portland show? Just curious. - -Ken kenmlee@ix.netcom.com MeSmErIzInG - AnOtHeR LiZ PhAiR WeBsItE http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Club/2471/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 01:59:46 -0500 From: "Mark J. Foxx" Subject: Whatever, I still care...sorta Yeah...that thing that Jase quoted: "When I'm in the third year of this business, and fourth, I should be pretty much doing what I want, which in some people's eyes will make me greatly cheesier. But I was much cheesier before any of this started. I've totally held myself in because I knew I was going to be looked at. The natural me is much giddier, way more mainstream pop. If people hate me for those reasons now, they have not seen anything. I'm way worse." I was listening to "Nashville" today, and it just occured to me...that this actually is...probably what Liz has always wanted to sound like. Just...yeah...what Jase said...she's never really had the resources. I mean, hell, she worked with Scott Lit last time. She's tried. And didn't she say something one time about how she didn't really like Whip Smart at all? It's just weird to think that she would just be...naturally cool and different...and all she's ever wanted was to sound exactly like everyone else. I'm sorry; I'm rehashing things people have said a billion times. It's just...really bizarre to me. It's just so weird to think that she's probably a lot prouder of this record that she ever was of Guyville. I'm glad that "Why Can't I" is doing well. It just sort of makes me sad, though, that if her music if finally going the direction she wants to...that she's probably just going to...keep going in this direction...and that all her best work is behind her. But whatever. Maybe the demo material is cool. Just...yeah...thoughts...while I listen to "Nashville". _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 07:45:14 -0400 From: "John Cotter" Subject: Why Cant I Promo I just grabbed the Why Cant I single from the radio station that I work at. If anyone wants scans of the cover art I'd be happy to post them somewhere and make them available for download, if this has not been done yet. Bowery August 10! Right on, just ordered ticket. Anyone know of any other shows on the east coast? Peas John Hi Katies ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 08:33:52 EDT From: TitleTK@aol.com Subject: Re: Whatever, I still care...sorta In a message dated 5/24/03 3:00:26 AM Eastern Daylight Time, canadiancurrency@hotmail.com writes: << Just...yeah...thoughts...while I listen to "Nashville". >> It's strange that you bring up Nashville in respect to this . . . because I always thought of this song as sort of her mantra. "I won't decorate my love" meaning love doesn't always look or sound pretty, and this is what my music sounds like and deal with it if you think it's ugly or unformed . . . such is life. I was also reading an article in some magazine that I'm embarrassed to say I was reading that had an interview with Avril. In it, she was talking about how her bandmates were giving her cd's to listen to. She was saying that she turned on The Pixies Debaser and turned it off immediately because it "scared her" and that she liked The Replacements but admits she's never actually heard any of their music. So of course she doesn't play good music, she's never been exposed to anything good. But Liz does know. EIG, WS, and WCSE incorporated punk, country, blues and pop into the pot and come up with some undefinable genre. This is not necessarily a criticism but like Mark, I find it fascinating . . . james ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 13:01:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Emil Breton Subject: Nashville / Entertainment Weekly > "I won't decorate my love" > meaning love doesn't always look or sound pretty, > and this is what my music > sounds like and deal with it if you think it's ugly > or unformed . . . such is > life. Actually, what she's saying in "Nashville" is this: "Everyone liked my first album, because 'they just go for any shiny bauble', but *I* see it as just a bare-bones, half-baked, not-ready-for-primetime affair (i.e. 'naked, half-awake, about to shave and go to work')." The rest of the song is a rumination on what the future held for her as a musician ("and I'm starting to think it could happen to me [...] and I'm starting to actually feel it seep through the slick divide" -- total pop makeover, anyone? I don't get the "I won't decorate my love" thing; it's puzzling, yes, but I don't think she meant she *refused* to gussy up her sound. In fact, she'd wanted to do just that all along, but Brad Wood reined her in, so to speak. So that's that. Thanks, Ken, for transcribing the EW article. Let me tell you, what a *hoot*. This is definitely where I get off. Because Entertainment Weekly is where I first read about Liz, way back in 1994, when Whip-smart was the featured review of the week. A real full-circle type of thing. Now I'm reading stuff like: "I was talking to Pete [Yorn] at a party and he was like, 'Well, isn't it just about the music?' I looked at him and I'm like, 'Not for me anymore. It's _not_.'" (If she doesn't care, why should anyone else?) The best part is when she says, more or less, that she *needs* to be a famous, platinum-selling pop star or "Otherwise, honey, I'm back in Chicago living with my parents." Great. I'll keep that in mind for when I'm 36: Get REALLY rich REALLY quick or move back in with mom & pop. Scary times we're living in, apparently. And that cute photo accompanying the article is NOT gonna work on me this time. Liz, honey, it's over. P.S. For whoever was wondering: Liz loved Whip-smart when it was finished; that is to say, she really loved that bunch of songs, and still does. She just didn't think they pushed the production far enough to the right of Exile for the kind of commercial success that she, Matador, and Atlantic had been hoping for back then. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of support-system-digest V6 #130 ************************************