From: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org (support-system-digest) To: support-system-digest@smoe.org Subject: support-system-digest V6 #125 Reply-To: support-system@smoe.org Sender: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk support-system-digest Tuesday, May 20 2003 Volume 06 : Number 125 Today's Subjects: ----------------- adamantly free? ["dana p." ] Liz Radio play in L.A. [Al Madrid ] Re: support-system-digest V6 #124 [AMDAmore@aol.com] Re: Liz - Flaming Lips [NegSplitz@aol.com] RE: Liz Radio play in L.A. ["INMAN, DAVID B" ] Re: support-system-digest V6 #124 [Kate Stewart ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 00:24:55 -0700 From: "dana p." Subject: adamantly free? >just what about her previous fans does she want to get away from?> i think she just really hates having to be accountable to anyone else for anything. remember how she bristled at the suggestions that brad wood "made" her? and like you yourself said, i think she hates having certain things expected of her. by the way, chris, i think you totally nailed it in your previous post. everything you said was right on. you've said it many times before that she's never had a clear sense of her core audience and by this time i agree with you. i was just assuming she was brazenly doing whatever she wanted because that's what she wanted to do. i didn't think she had blind spots, but now i can see some big ones. *** regarding how she doesn't seem to know "what's good about herself"--'cause a bunch of us have been getting into this as well--i think it may be an incorrect "association" of some kind that, in her mind, because those brilliant earlier songs came out of personal pain, that that's where we, as fans, want her to stay. a variation of the "tortured artist syndrome." but, see, i don't think we were getting off on her pain. i mean, when i first heard EIG, i didn't really hear it as the ramblings of "some foul-mouthed idiot," but rather as the carefully worded/structured views of an incredibly astute person. the "pain" didn't really occur to me (the exception, of course, being "shatter"). so, there's definitely a disconnect between what we actually admire in her work and what she thinks we want from her. so, i dunno, i'm wondering if, when she hears that we all want the brilliance, she's thinking to herself, "screw that; i ain't never goin' back there again." like, it's just not even a matter of songcraft but of having to go to a crappy place in her own mind. a strange loop. *** plus, i'd like to be given a bit more credit: i'm in no way expecting her--or anyone--to "suicide right on the stage." to me, that's like the whole stoopid premise of that waste dump of a movie called "gladiator"; all that crap about "controlling the mob" and such. oh, how brilliant! gimme a break.... i sat through those cheesy special effects for that?! sheeeesh.... at least the kinks had the good sense to make fun of that whole boring notion via a damn good song. anyway.... i *totally understand* not wanting to be exploited as a "circus monkey" (believe me, that's how i always felt at recital time, grrrrrr....), but that's some take on life when you just assume everyone else wants you to suffer for their entertainment and that's just all there is to it. yikes... even *i'm* not that cynical.... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 09:26:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Al Madrid Subject: Liz Radio play in L.A. Liz was the 10th most played artist on L.A.'s Star 98.7 f.m. Why Can't I was played 26 times in its second week on the radio station compared to only 6 times the first week it aired. The 20-point difference was the highest of any recurring artist on that station. I know most of you don't care for this news, but I think it's great for Liz! Congrats. Also, she one night last week (I believe Tuesday) she was No. 3 requested artist of that day on the stations top 5 for the ride. On the Matador msg board thing, btw, I can't stand whiners who think they know it all. Al __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 12:42:14 EDT From: AMDAmore@aol.com Subject: Re: support-system-digest V6 #124 In a message dated 5/18/2003 10:15:41 PM Pacific Daylight Time, owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org writes: > > Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 13:21:42 -0400 > From: "Chris DeLisle" > Subject: re: OUCH again > > i haven't seen if anyone's responded to my previous message, yet, i've got > another question: why would Liz say what she said in the article...and > also > correspond with Ken? and also receive questions from us? > > just what about her previous fans does she want to get away from? > > c.d. She wants to get away from that the fact that people who appreciate intellectual music are few and far between and aren't the major commercially-targeted community. She has only been marketable in a small, indie community that represents the vaguest minority of the population. Ugh. It's all so gross and sad, but self-motivation seems to be the way of the world. I bet Mother Teresa's (a true Liz fan) flipping in her grave. alice ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 11:12:52 EDT From: NegSplitz@aol.com Subject: Re: Liz - Flaming Lips According to Pollstar.com, Liz is not playing with the Lips in Dallas, but will continue with them until her last show in Tennessee on June 14. Does anyone know what her setlist might be? Would be nice if anyone who sees her (she starts in Oregon on Friday) could post it. Cheers - Wes ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 13:22:02 -0500 From: "INMAN, DAVID B" Subject: RE: Liz Radio play in L.A. Thanks for the info. Al - Love the last article/interview with Liz - the whole transforming from type A to type B - perhaps she's re-inventing the whole indy thing... - -----Original Message----- From: Al Madrid [mailto:almadrid_2000@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 11:27 AM To: support-system@smoe.org Subject: Liz Radio play in L.A. Liz was the 10th most played artist on L.A.'s Star 98.7 f.m. Why Can't I was played 26 times in its second week on the radio station compared to only 6 times the first week it aired. The 20-point difference was the highest of any recurring artist on that station. I know most of you don't care for this news, but I think it's great for Liz! Congrats. Also, she one night last week (I believe Tuesday) she was No. 3 requested artist of that day on the stations top 5 for the ride. On the Matador msg board thing, btw, I can't stand whiners who think they know it all. Al __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 12:47:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Kate Stewart Subject: Re: support-system-digest V6 #124 I don't think she's making music "for me" nor do I think she has ever made it for anyone except herself, until now. I just think there is something seriously wrong when people appreciate your music, and you publicly slight them... remember this quote from a while back? "You go afterward to sign some autographs and that's when I see that they're completely waiting for something, like little kids at a birthday party, 'Is there a clown? Is there a pony?' They want something. They want their own personal snippet to go home and remember. All these hungry mouths, all these gaping baby birds." How hip and Groucho-esque. Also, when she says she is leaving her old fans for a new audience, I take that as, "I'm leaving them for people who have no expectations or standards because they are unfamiliar with my previous talent." The whole thing makes me ill now. I've never come across anybody expecting so much for putting out so little. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of support-system-digest V6 #125 ************************************