From: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org (support-system-digest) To: support-system-digest@smoe.org Subject: support-system-digest V6 #106 Reply-To: support-system@smoe.org Sender: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk support-system-digest Wednesday, April 30 2003 Volume 06 : Number 106 Today's Subjects: ----------------- la la la la la, i am not listening ["sandra" ] Liz at SoHo Apple Store on Friday [Aaron Walker ] explain it to me ["dana p." ] Re: support-system-digest V6 #105 [Lisa Rosenthal ] Hey, German boy! Go back to Germania! [Meredith Robbins ] Re: The Great Debate [Michael Carapella ] Re: don ho love songs [robert joyner ] Re: Liz's clothes [Andrea Uptmor ] Fwd: Liz's clothes [TitleTK@aol.com] Re: Liz's clothes [Andrea Uptmor ] Re: I'm a menace! Part One. [trentfs@ix.netcom.com] Michael's post [robert joyner ] uh ... hello? [LilRussianGirl@aol.com] Liz in SoHo and on the radio [Mark Henninger ] Re: uh ... hello? [ReallyHip@aol.com] ADMIN: Posting request [Jase ] Let me Clarify (if that's what I can call this) [Mariam Hamou Subject: la la la la la, i am not listening Good God. Some people clearly have too much time on their hands. If I may (and I probably may not): "If you can stand to move a few feet closer to the center, I promise the album rocks. And if you can't, then have a laugh and wait for the demo material to trickle out. It's only music. You don't have cancer." So have a laugh. You don't have cancer. sandra ps: um, about "uncle alvarez"? someone mentioned that "criticizing uncle alvarez is just bizarre." i'm not exactly sure what that means in the context of the post, but all *i* meant is that to me, UA is a skipper. always hated it, always will. to each her own, eh? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 01:03:34 -0500 From: Aaron Walker Subject: Liz at SoHo Apple Store on Friday I'm not caught up on the list so I'll apologize in advance in case this is already public knowledge, but according to http://www.macminute.com/ Liz will be appearing at the SoHo Apple Store on Friday as part of Apple's promotion for their new iPods and online music store. - -- - -Aaron Walker http://www.visi.com/~lazlo/liz/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 23:09:52 -0700 From: "dana p." Subject: explain it to me [the only problem I have with Dana, Steve, andthat one james is their seeming begrudging anyone elsefor daring to like the record.] Okaaaayyy.... so where does *this* come from?? seriously, before i really go off, i just want to understand this. at this point, i feel like i'm supposed to apologize for--what? articulating opinions? since when is *that* not allowed on this list? "begrudging anyone else for daring to like the record"?? what?! see, i can believe that you haven't bothered to read all my posts, as i know you have a problem with me, but, dude, seriously, you gotta *verify the info* before you go "surmising" or whatever it is you're doing.... 'cause, really, what ARE you doing? i'm not begrudging anyone anything. (???!!) i've heard four songs: i like two and i don't really like the other two, and i've said so. what's the problem? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 00:34:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Lisa Rosenthal Subject: Re: support-system-digest V6 #105 > Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 23:00:08 -0400 > From: ReallyHip@aol.com > Subject: RE: don ho love songs > I'd rather people just left than gave six page dissertations on their > farewell to Liz's music and how much of a sellout they think she's > become. > It's music. I think far too many of us are taking Liz's career arc too >seriously. > - -Michael I don't know, Michael... I kind of think there are reasons besides geekiness to take pop music seriously. Sure, it's just music, but if we don't care about it, why is anyone bothering to discuss it in the first place? Personally, I think that Liz Phair's career arc is actually really interesting, and I think it does speak to a larger phenomenon. At the risk of sounding really pretentious, (too late?) it seems to me that the trajectory of her music tells a really sad story. part of what made her so incredible in the first place was that she was this incredibly typical, incredibly bourgeois girl who was secretly smart, and who was fighting to break the mold. to see her 10 years later putting out hack work is depressing because it sort of implies that everyone gets hammered down eventually, that the world will make you mediocre no matter what. What's next? Will her fifth album be titled "Fat and Happy in Guyville"? And if so, is that a good thing because, yknow, she's happy and we're her loyal fans? i've only heard the songs on the website, so I'm (nervously) putting off judgement on the album until i hear it. all i'm saying is that i think those three songs are incalculably worse than even her worst songs heretofore. I think it's fair to make a judgement on those songs alone, because, after all, the album's not out yet-- what else am i supposed to go on? i'm not going to go as far as the person who said that she doesn't have any good songs left in her. i'm sure she wasn't that into working with the Matrix, and I'm doubly sure that she didn't actually write those songs, cowriting credits or not. hopefully when i hear the album I'll know she's still got it in her. still it sucks that the album's been 5 years in the making and a good quarter of it or so is shit. and even she admits that's what it is: "predigested" = shit. (let me just say, by the way, that it's not the production that bothers me at all. i'm an unabashed lover of glossy, lavish production, string instruments and everything. it's the writing that bugs me.) anyway, I'm sure I WILL quit this list when I give up all hope. until then, though, where else am I supposed to wring my hands about it? i get the impression there are a lot of people who feel the same way. sorry for the six page dissertation. bennett The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 17:11:36 +0930 From: cerebus@internode.on.net Subject: Re: support-system-digest V6 #105 >Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 01:00:55 -0400 >From: Charles M >Subject: Copy protection on advance cds of the new record > >I don't think this has been mentioned yet, but the advance discs for >the new album are marked "Copy Controlled" on the back insert and on >the disc itself. > >The drive in my computer makes an awful racket when the disc is >spinning. I successfully ripped MP3 and AAC (MPEG-4) files, but they >have some minor artifacts -- occasional popping, etc. I've not yet >compared playback from my audio CD player against that of the computer, >but I'll try a A/B taste-test in the next few days. > >My guess is that the disc employs something akin to the Cactus Data >Shield (see the article here for more info -- >http://www.theregister.com/content/archive/27960.html) to make >computer-based playback/copying/ripping less simple and attractive. > >This is my first encounter with a "protected" audio cd; let's hope the >commercial disc doesn't have the same "feature". > >Charles >http://mywebpages.comcast.net/discographer/ > EMI Australia has been putting the "Copy Control (TM)" technology on discs since last November. Its meant to launch its own audio player on Windows PCs to prevent digital copying. In practice this means that some PCs can't play them at all, some launch the software but can't rip, and others let you rip away like a normal CD. It ultimately depends on what model of CD Writer/Reader you have. Most audio only home CD players have no problems with it - although some car cd players have problems, and they also set the "don't copy" bit to prevent you digitally copying to MiniDisc. Anyway you can read more at http://copycontrol.emimusic.com.au The forums on that site are very interesting as well. Note that these CDs don't carry the standard Compact Disc Audio symbol, cause they don't meet the RedBook standard for what a CD is. All up, they suck. chris ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 01:22:45 -0700 (PDT) From: robert joyner Subject: reply to bennett - --- Lisa Rosenthal wrote: > At the risk of sounding really pretentious, (too > late?) it seems to me that the trajectory of her > music tells a really sad story. part of what made > her so incredible in the first place was that she > was this incredibly typical, incredibly bourgeois > girl who was secretly smart, and who was fighting to > break the mold. to see her 10 years later putting > out hack work is depressing because it sort of > implies that everyone gets hammered down eventually, > that the world will make you mediocre no matter > what. What's next? . > > bennett From the way you framed the argument, I'm sure you'll want to give a "Love/Hate" a few listens when the album comes out. "Love/Hate" seems to be a meditation on the idea of conformity. In the context of the song, conforming to gender roles but i think you could probably extrapolate this out further as a metaphor for liz and her career as a rock singer. The song to me sort of alludes to the chafing against but inevitably submitting to certain expectations, or in this case playing the record company game. Just a little food for thought. Any way you look at it, you're part of it, you know it ................. You might as well get on the train some of the lyrics: I was a mess in my open eyed youth I grew up thinking What's good for one, oppresses the other It's my turn, my life, my way, mine, me It made me crazy I couldn't fight it I couldn't wait to get away It's sister and brother, mother and daughter Father, son, husband, wife, thing It's drugs, it's hunger It's race, sex, and government Any way you look at it, you're part of it, you know it The wrong inside you, can't get it right You might as well get on the train ===== - ------------------------------------------------------------ Nashville - A Liz Phair Web Site http://www.geocities.com/robnashville - ------------------------------------------------------------ __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 07:30:11 -0400 From: Meredith Robbins Subject: Hey, German boy! Go back to Germania! Ha ha ha, everyone's making fun of Steve Kiiiiiiisko! How far the mighty have fallen. I don't like the new songs either, and I haven't bothered to track down the whole album because a. I'm a little busy right now with the sudden shock of having a life and b. um, I don't like the songs I've heard. Please, somebody, tell me what a horrible heinous bitch I am! It'll be even better if you come up with something ridiculously off-base, along the lines of "trendy halfwit" or "high-school-varsity-quarterback bully." Ker-snort. I love you, Steve. And I love that your girlfriend reads Chomsky aloud -- she's a little cutie. If there were a post from you in every digest, maybe I'd start reading the damn thing again. Meredith - -- "Miss America denies reports of unhappiness" -Associated Press headline, Feb. 14, 2002 http://www.exileinnetville.com has a sugar daddy. Spy on me: http://www.livejournal.com/~phairbear ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 09:39:37 -0500 From: Andrea Uptmor Subject: Re: don ho love songs I didn't say YOU were creepy. I said the fact that you were taking actual time out of your day to complain about how a celebrity's clothes were "SO not her" was kinda disturbing. And it is. Andrea U. > I know people hate me on this list . . . one girl even told me I was creepy, > > and needed a girlfriend . . . but even to her I say . . . please don't > unsubscribe, where else can you open your email every other morning to a very > > friendly "fuck you?" > > james > > ============================== > > James E. Place > 1233 Rodman Street > Philadelphia, PA 19147 > (215) 893-0657 > TitleTK@aol.com > "Of course, he was a Harvard graduate. That might be grounds for justifiable > > homicide." John Dall (Brandon Shaw) Arthur Laurents (Rope) > - -- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 11:42:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Carapella Subject: Re: The Great Debate Jase, I see what you mean! What a volly! I, like Steve, left out a few words here and there and was on a bit of a rant, so some of my comments were a little overly-simplistic and I was painting with too wide of a brush. In addressing the songwriting that I've heard thus far from the new album, in my opinion, it doesn't deserve to be criticized as somehow sub-standard, even for Liz. So, coming from that point of view, the main distinction between old and new is production value. Now clearly, it's unlikely we'll hear "Shatter" or "Gunshy" again, but if you look at the great artists that have stood the test of time, the outstanding songwriting does not exist on every song on every album. I wish Brian Wilson could have kept going with songs like "Good Vibrations" and Queen could have given us another "Bohemian Rhapsody." That doesn't happen and it's not realistic. And I don't mind my music "pre-digested." If you like the fact that 6'1 slows down before it even gets started (or don't even notice) then you would LOVE buckets of outtakes from your favorite artists I'm sure. Actually, I like them too, but I also dig a finished version that grooves and everyone is singing and playing in tune. Finally, I have to say, the only thing wrong with "Rock me" is that the title is so unoriginal--but it was the best and most perfect phrase to communicate that message. Otherwise, I think that's a great song. I also agree that her outtakes will be every bit as good as anything she's done and these listers will recognize that--except for the psychics among us who can judge music without hearing it. - -Michael ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 12:25:39 -0700 (PDT) From: robert joyner Subject: Re: don ho love songs - --- Andrea Uptmor wrote: > I didn't say YOU were creepy. I said the fact that > you were taking actual time > out of your day to complain about how a celebrity's > clothes were "SO not her" > was kinda disturbing. And it is. > > Andrea U. Aww, c'mon Andrea, Mr. Blackwell and Joan Rivers made a career out of doing that, so I guess you think they are creepy too.........uhhhhh,.....ummm..... okay bad example...but I think you missed the point of what james was trying to say....i took his commentary on her clothes not so much as fashion criticism but what they were representing: the marketing of the new Liz Phair. You have to think of the context of where the photos were: her website. When i saw the photos the first time i thought...damn she looks younger than she did when guyville came out. Once i got past the "damn she looks hot" - ness of the pics i kinda chuckled at what this kinda portended for the future. Think Vitamin C on this week's episode of Celebrity Boot Camp on Fox. I don't wish that on Liz even if i don't like some of the album (I am picturing Kisko as the R lee ermey full metal jacket type drill sargeant, though.) Hope she survives the spirit-crushing dog and pony show of selling records to the masses. I keep wondering what's next, is Capitol gonna give her a new hip street name like L-to-the-Izzo or L-Phizzy? robert ===== - ------------------------------------------------------------ Nashville - A Liz Phair Web Site http://www.geocities.com/robnashville - ------------------------------------------------------------ __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 14:53:19 -0500 From: Andrea Uptmor Subject: Re: Liz's clothes > Aww, c'mon Andrea, Mr. Blackwell and Joan Rivers made > a career out of doing that, so I guess you think they > are creepy too... Point is, robert, that when you start making rude comments about a person's clothing, we lose all damn respect for you and any other "critical thoughts" you might have about their music, because you have just shown us that you are a shallow individual indeed. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 16:18:11 EDT From: TitleTK@aol.com Subject: Fwd: Liz's clothes In a message dated 4/29/03 3:54:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time, auptmo@artic.edu writes: << Point is, robert, that when you start making rude comments about a person's clothing, we lose all damn respect for you and any other "critical thoughts" you might have about their music, because you have just shown us that you are a shallow individual indeed. >> I still don't understand the name calling. But I digress. If it makes me shallow to be interested in advertising/marketing than I confess I am guilty. But I'm finding hard to believe people actually have to defend their own value system on a list like this . . . Robert had my point exactly. Andrea, if you're not interested in discussing how a person is dressed to sell their albums, that's fine. But I think it's a really interesting concept. I do think the company's trying to sell her as a "Little Lolita" which is interesting because I always thought the point of Liz's music was that she was the pursuer not the seductress. james ============================== James E. Place 1233 Rodman Street Philadelphia, PA 19147 (215) 893-0657 TitleTK@aol.com "I'm loud, darling, but never cheap -- Jaye Davidson (Dil) Neil Jordon (The Crying Game) Return-Path: Received: from rly-xh02.mx.aol.com (rly-xh02.mail.aol.com [172.20.115.231]) by air-xh04.mail.aol.com (v93.8) with ESMTP id MAILINXH42-a053eaed87d346; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 15:54:39 -0400 Received: from smoe.org (jane.smoe.org [199.201.145.78]) by rly-xh02.mx.aol.com (v93.8) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINXH23-48b3eaed8741e2; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 15:54:28 -0400 Received: from smoe.org (ident-user@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smoe.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h3TJrSsb018145 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 15:53:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by smoe.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h3TJrRtc018144 for support-system-outgoing; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 15:53:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pixie.artic.edu (pixie.artic.edu [198.40.30.132]) by smoe.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h3TJrPsb018128 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 15:53:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (piper.artic.edu [198.40.30.143]) by pixie.artic.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id E621681121 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 14:53:19 -0500 (CDT) Received: from 10.64.44.31 ( [10.64.44.31]) as user auptmo by webmail.artic.edu with HTTP; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 14:53:19 -0500 Message-ID: <1051645999.3eaed82fcb59a@webmail.artic.edu> Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 14:53:19 -0500 From: Andrea Uptmor To: support-system@smoe.org Subject: Re: Liz's clothes References: <20030429192539.35554.qmail@web10401.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20030429192539.35554.qmail@web10401.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.1 X-Originating-IP: 10.64.44.31 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.6 required=5.0 tests=CARRIAGE_RETURNS,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_02_03, USER_AGENT,USER_AGENT_IMP version=2.43 Sender: owner-support-system@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) > Aww, c'mon Andrea, Mr. Blackwell and Joan Rivers made > a career out of doing that, so I guess you think they > are creepy too... Point is, robert, that when you start making rude comments about a person's clothing, we lose all damn respect for you and any other "critical thoughts" you might have about their music, because you have just shown us that you are a shallow individual indeed. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 15:34:11 -0500 From: Andrea Uptmor Subject: Re: Liz's clothes Robert and James, I like hearing from you guys. I do see your point. I don't feel like you are seeing mine. What was initially said by James in his open letter to Liz was: 'I'm sorry, but this "little lolita" look just isn't you.' That was what I found bizarre. There was no mention of the record label's conspiracy to dress her up like a doll in order to sell records. It was a simple statement made with no explanation attached; therefore, it sounded like a shallow comment from one of those hipsters I can't stand. that's it. I don't feel like talking about it anymore, because like I said, I think it's a moot point (but what isn't lately), and also a giant waste of time. thanks for your input. Andrea U. Quoting robert joyner : > I'm guessing you aren't taking fashion design at the > art institute? I was just trying to make the point > that he may be talking about the clothes but not > necessarily talking about the clothes, if you get my > drift. Although i abhor the fashion industry, i do > buy into the thought of fashion as a conveyor of media > message or social grouping. That aside, even if he > was talking about just the clothes i don't think that > makes him necessarily creepy or so shallow as to be > devoid of anything usefull to say. I've been known to > talk out of my ass more often than not but I can make > a few valid points here and there. Of course you > might not agree with me on that last point, lol. > > All that said, I enjoy reading your posts to the list. > I'm not trying to slam your opinion or anything, just > giving you someone else's interpretation of james' > comments. > > later > > Robert > > > > > --- Andrea Uptmor wrote: > > > Aww, c'mon Andrea, Mr. Blackwell and Joan Rivers > > made > > > a career out of doing that, so I guess you think > > they > > > are creepy too... > > > > Point is, robert, that when you start making rude > > comments about a person's > > clothing, we lose all damn respect for you and any > > other "critical thoughts" > > you might have about their music, because you have > > just shown us that you are a > > shallow individual indeed. > > > ===== > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > Nashville - A Liz Phair Web Site > http://www.geocities.com/robnashville > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > http://search.yahoo.com > - -- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 15:23:04 -0700 (PDT) From: trentfs@ix.netcom.com Subject: Re: I'm a menace! Part One. "S - Kon" wrote: > >>(I might make an exception for "Hot White Cum", which has >>GOT to be more intentionally subversive than Liz has >>claimed). > >Exactly. I dont know how _anyone_ could take that song for face value. >It >screams irony to me. Good heavens yes! This song is a blackly ironic and (I'm guessing) angry rebuttal to that scientific 'study' that was mentioned here a few weeks back. It's as topical and political as anything from Sleater-Kinney or Ani Difranco, and the fact that it's not aggressively preachy and is a damned catchy pop-song totally apart from its message is what makes me claim this object-lesson in subversion as the best song on the album (by far!) and a welcome throwback to the kind of uninhibitedly tasteless irony that's all over "Girlysound" but increasingly lost on all her albums since. In other news, KCRW is all over the new album -- I've heard both "Extraordinary" and "Rock Me" on several different DJs' shows (though I haven't heard "Why Can't I?" yet -- thankfully!). Listening to these on the radio while driving around town made me realize they're really not bad pop songs and if they'd come from a new album by, say, Anna Waronker I'd probably be all over them. The catch is that there are plenty of people who can write good pop songs, but appreciably fewer who can write songs like those on "Exile" and "Whip-smart" and thus while I might appreciate these pop songs in and of themselves I can't help also regretting that they're taking the place of something immeasurably more unique and valuable (IMO!). I was thinking there was something else I wanted to mention but I can't recall what now so it must not have been too important. Love, Trent (Smith) NP: Yeah Yeah Yeahs "Fever to Tell" (which I picked up over lunch at Tower for $7.99 new! I could get used to paying this kinda price, but wonder who's eating the other $8 -- the label, the retailer, or the artist? Probably the latter, alas...) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 15:31:15 -0700 (PDT) From: robert joyner Subject: Michael's post redirecting michaels post to the list: - --- ReallyHip@aol.com wrote: > L-Phizzy is officially my new name for her. That's > the funniest thing ever. > > Who else is going to the Apple Store New York > appearance/performance? > > -Michael __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 19:47:42 EDT From: LilRussianGirl@aol.com Subject: uh ... hello? Why is this directed at *me*? >>If you don't like the new Liz, get off the list. >>-Michael I am thinking that perhaps you made a mistake. So let me clarify. I was trying to add something POSITIVE to the conversation. This is a POSITIVE comment. I didn't say anything negative here about the new Liz at all. I was trying to say that it's always nice when one achieves a goal he or she has set for him or herself. So let's try this again. Maybe a greeting will help! Hello listers, I remember Liz saying that she wanted to be able to write love songs that don't sound like don-ho. I was noticing today that there are love songs on here (LP) and they don't sound like don ho. Hopefully she is happy about that. See? Yay Liz. If this was something she wanted to do, I think that she has done it well. Congrats Liz on achieving your goal. Whether you were forced to work with the matrix or wanted to work with the matrix or whatever the case may be -- who knows - I hope that you are happy about achieving this goal. Hope that clarifies things for you. No hard feelings. I am, however, bothered that some people here are beginning to sound like censors if your thinking is not in line with theirs. This is a discussion list. We aren't all going to or supposed to agree on everything. Good grief! It's OK that we don't agree. We can even disagree that it's OK for some to think that others should unsubscribe if they don't agree with those who those who like or dislike the album. I believe in free speech and healthy dissension -- that is - I support the American notion that one should defend even unpopular speech because we are lucky to have and protect this freedom. My hope, however, is that it will be done without personal attacks and insults. I don't see anything positive coming from that. It wasn't *that* long ago that a number of people left this list for just that reason and I am noticing that some are finally beginning to return. We don't all have to agree but can't we at least get along well enough to discuss what it is that we disagree about? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 20:43:43 -0400 From: Mark Henninger Subject: Liz in SoHo and on the radio Two quick news bulletins: 1. WXPN in Philadelphia (member-supported radio from the University of Pennsylvania and the home of the World Cafe) played "Extraordinary" at about 7:45 Monday morning. The DJ, Michaela Majoun, introduced it by saying, "She's back and she's still in your face, Liz Phair!" I have no idea why they played "Extraordinary" instead of "Why Can't I?" Even though it's a member-supported radio station they usually play only the first single before an album is released. 2. Liz will be making an appearance at the Apple retail store in SoHo (NYC) this Friday (May 2). Details are sparce. The announcement I received reads, "Sporting a new design, with enough capacity to hold more than 7500 songs, the new iPod rocks into the Apple Store on Friday, May 2, during a revolutionary event you won't want to miss. From 6 to 10 p.m., enjoy a live DJ spinning tunes on this iPod. Receive a free event poster (while supplies last). And get a limited edition T-shirt for $10 - or for free if you buy an iPod. That's not all: you can also enter to win a JBL sound system worth $1800. Special Appearances. Singer-songwriter Liz Phair will appear at the SoHo store and ska band Less Than Jake will appear at The Grove during this special event." Make of that what you will. Keeping the troops informed, Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 21:27:33 -0400 From: ReallyHip@aol.com Subject: Re: uh ... hello? LilRussianGirl- You could've waited for a response to the private email you sent me before posting that tirade. - -Michael No, it wasn't directed at you. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 22:23:24 -0400 From: Jase Subject: ADMIN: Posting request I was wondering if everyone could make an effort to be a little more judicious and keep quoting to a minimum when responding to posts. Please quote just the relevant parts you are responding to, rather than the entire message, but do quote enough to give everyone an idea of what it is you are replying to. I've noticed a number of posts recently that quoted the entire message being replied to, which itself quoted a previous reply. Suddenly the post is about two or three times longer than it really needs to be and it's a lot to scroll through for the people who are on the digest version of the list. Also, please make an effort to trim out any unnecessary headers from the posts you are replying to, so we don't see a lot of this: >Return-Path: >Received: from rly-xh02.mx.aol.com (rly-xh02.mail.aol.com > [172.20.115.231]) by air-xh04.mail.aol.com (v93.8) with ESMTP id > MAILINXH42-a053eaed87d346; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 15:54:39 -0400 >Received: from smoe.org (jane.smoe.org [199.201.145.78]) by > rly-xh02.mx.aol.com (v93.8) with ESMTP id > MAILRELAYINXH23-48b3eaed8741e2; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 15:54:28 -0400 >Received: from smoe.org (ident-user@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smoe.org > (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h3TJrSsb018145 for > ; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 15:53:28 -0400 > (EDT) This will most often occur when you hit "Forward" instead of "Reply" when composing your response. I imagine the list is going to get a lot busier once the album is out and Liz starts touring. Normally the digests come out once a day or after every 40K of posts. After WCSE's release, it wasn't uncommon for the list to generate two or three digests per day because of the sheer volume of posts. If we can keep our posts free of any unnecessary quoting or headers, the size of the messages will be smaller and we'll be less likely to generate as many digests per day. Thanks, Jase ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 23:31:45 -0400 From: Mariam Hamou Subject: Let me Clarify (if that's what I can call this) Well, I really don't think Liz has "grown" as an artist. I don't know what to think at this point - because I'm greatly disappointed with what I've heard (so far). I've always been a fan of artists trying new things however, I just think THIS IS NOT LIZ. This is Matrix records trying to package and sell a product. They have commodified Liz into this pretty little package and her earlier music was SO against that. Guyville was so amazing because you couldn't pin Liz down and call her anything specific - she embodied everything cool. I find with this new stuff, she's gotten lazy and kinda let everyone else do all the work. I just can't believe she accepted the way it turned out. Seriously, I'm 27 now and I remember at 18 thinking that I wanted to be just like Liz at 27. I look at Liz now and think - nu uh. Anyway, It's WAY past my bedtime and I think I'm just rambling anything that comes into my head. Hey Jase, are you still in Collingwood? I may be going up that way soon - let me know. Mariam "getting sick of this SARS thing" Hamou Sometimes a dream is what makes you a slave. ------------------------------ End of support-system-digest V6 #106 ************************************