From: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org (support-system-digest) To: support-system-digest@smoe.org Subject: support-system-digest V6 #102 Reply-To: support-system@smoe.org Sender: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk support-system-digest Saturday, April 26 2003 Volume 06 : Number 102 Today's Subjects: ----------------- How crappy the music scene is ["Andrea Steiner" ] Re: How crappy the music scene is [TitleTK@aol.com] radio free--anywhere? ["dana p." ] release date [marty@evansville.net] Fwd: release date [TitleTK@aol.com] "Why Can't I?" request [Al Madrid ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 11:06:13 -0400 From: "Andrea Steiner" Subject: How crappy the music scene is And speaking of selling out, not that I much care for Jewel to begin with, but I saw a clip of her new video. I thought it was a joke--Jewel is now trying to be all pop/dance/R&B/Kylie Minogue. She even dances with dancers in the video. It was totally pathetic. It really pisses me off that Liz is now expected to conform to this shitty standard. Why couldn't the record companies just leave her alone and let her do her thing instead of turning her into Avril Lavigne? Wasn't her large and loyal following enough? Guess not. What's next? Are the Indigo Girls going to start making techno music? *Can't we petition someone to make it so that outside stuff is the key to happiness? I'm tired of people always saying 'It's gotta come from you.' Can't it come from, like, a new pair of shoes? --Owen Wilson* - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ MSN 8 helps ELIMINATE E-MAIL VIRUSES. Get 2 months FREE*. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 12:14:00 EDT From: TitleTK@aol.com Subject: Re: How crappy the music scene is This whole "Liz was forced to make mainstream music" thing really sends shivers up my spine. Listening to the girlysounds cd over the past week (thanks dave inman -- by the way I love The Scuffs), it's obvious Liz really likes money. And who can blame her? I just love her flippancy about it on songs like "Wild Thing." I still can't believe she would sell out like this . . . but truly, is there even a market for something like Whip-Smart anymore? I know we would all buy it . . . but would she get any new fans? Her option really might have been do this "shitty music" and make her "blowjob queen" image into a gimmick or cold spaghetti o's for dinner. I don't know, I guess I'm painting things a little black . . . but I think it really is someone else's turn to step up to the plate now and create a whole different sound. Because I agree with the person who said indie music sucks as much as mainstream . . . Personally I would rather listen to Sheryl Crow than Dashboard Confessional - -- at least she has a personality. But please someone release something interesting soon! My Exile in Guyville, Surfer Rosa, Car Wheels on a Gravel Road rotation is beginning to mold itself to my cd player. Oh . . . but does anyone else out there own The Tom-Tom Club's "The Good, the Bad, and the Funky." I bought it after reading a piece about Tina Weymouth in some stupid magazine. It's really fun "groovy" music if you like that kind of thing. james James E. Place 1233 Rodman Street Philadelphia, PA 19147 (215) 893-0657 TitleTK@aol.com "Of course, he was a Harvard graduate. That might be grounds for justifiable homicide." John Dall (Brandon Shaw) Arthur Laurents (Rope) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 09:56:49 -0700 From: "dana p." Subject: radio free--anywhere? [While I agree that nu metal has to go, and mainstream punk, toss in John Mayer while you're at it, but not Liz or Norah Jones, the albums that are reviewed here is not the way to do it. The only way to really fight bland music is kick it off the charts with good music, and these albums aren't going to storm the charts. The underground is as bad as the mainstream, just as much bland music, and there needs to be something new. I just wish someone with the musical talent I don't have would invent it.] i *totally, completely* agree with this. it's the whole "indie cred" issue. which, to me, is like the "bass/drums/guitar vs. electronica" thing. i just don't get it. what?? anyway, this is why i never bash myself too badly for not knowing every new shred of music out there. it's hard to keep up with everything and i have repeatedly found that more than a few new, hyped-up bands are nowhere near as good as their press suggests. but then the attitude around everything is so "battle of who could care less" and people will act like you're a sucker for "believing" it in the first place. that's the whole thing; you have to be strangely noncommittal. i guess that's the approach.... i can't help but think of, in my opinion, the last time anything truly interesting was going on on a mass scale: the early 80s with the advent of REM and the second Brit invasion. since then, yes, there have been great and wonderful solo things going on, such as our liz, but it's occurred largely in a vacuum. to my mind, when REM started out, that whole time was when all these people were trying to figure out how to play with sound in various ways---and people really responded to that. i think that's the last time there was actual genuine excitement and "competition" of sorts to make the best stuff you could, among all genres. i thought it was pretty exciting--and really glorious. because it's the last time i can remember (besides grunge) where there was a reaction against slickness and money and it actually really worked--the output was so different; it was a totally different trip. i know there are groans when someone says "the 80s," but i'm not talking about all that top-40 "hey, mickey" crap that was on the radio. maybe it was just the "energy" of those few years, i dunno, 'cause it did indeed dissipate and change. which is fine, that's always gonna happen, but then you also have to figure in the whole corporate stranglehold issue. MTV was *a gas* when it first started. they had three good years. then: total shit. oh well.... so maybe, in the early 80s, all these people were naive enough to think they could actually be rewarded for doing their best. there was just this thing about doing something groundbreaking and different. and *good*. these days everything is categorized and ghettoized into oblivion. it's all "boutique" and shit. it's depressing. again, i blame clear channel and their brainless, soulless minions. media empire this! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 12:39:53 -0500 (CDT) From: marty@evansville.net Subject: release date what is the exact date that the new album is coming out? i know it's sometime in june... thanks, vm ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 16:32:25 EDT From: TitleTK@aol.com Subject: Fwd: release date June 24th. James E. Place 1233 Rodman Street Philadelphia, PA 19147 (215) 893-0657 TitleTK@aol.com "Of course, he was a Harvard graduate. That might be grounds for justifiable homicide." John Dall (Brandon Shaw) Arthur Laurents (Rope) Return-Path: Received: from rly-xf03.mx.aol.com (rly-xf03.mail.aol.com [172.20.105.227]) by air-xf04.mail.aol.com (v93.8) with ESMTP id MAILINXF41-27be3ea97311208; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 13:40:34 -0400 Received: from smoe.org (jane.smoe.org [199.201.145.78]) by rly-xf03.mx.aol.com (v93.8) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINXF310-3e83ea97307132; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 13:40:23 -0400 Received: from smoe.org (ident-user@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smoe.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h3PHe1O6004174 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 13:40:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by smoe.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h3PHe1Nv004173 for support-system-outgoing; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 13:40:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kermit.cinergycom.net (kermit.cinergycom.net [216.135.3.8]) by smoe.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h3PHdwO6004126; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 13:39:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from root by kermit.cinergycom.net with local (Exim 4.14) id 1997Av-000446-09; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 12:39:53 -0500 Reply-To: marty@evansville.net From: marty@evansville.net Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 12:39:53 -0500 (CDT) To: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org, support-system-digest@smoe.org Subject: release date X-Mailer: Correspond 4.5 X-Architecture: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows 98) X-IP-Address: 216.135.44.108 X-Correspond-Data: WYI27892135YET2/marty Message-Id: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.4 required=5.0 tests=CARRIAGE_RETURNS,NO_REAL_NAME,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01 version=2.43 X-Spam-Level: ** Sender: owner-support-system@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit what is the exact date that the new album is coming out? i know it's sometime in june... thanks, vm ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 14:25:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Al Madrid Subject: "Why Can't I?" request Hey, I went onto this radio station here in L.A. called Star and it is a typical mainstream station -- the kind which Liz Phair and Capitol are trying to get onto -- and I see they played "Why Can't I" on Sunday night April 20th. I didn't here it, but here is the play list for that night. http://www.star987.com/newmusicshow.html You can request songs for their all request night through their web site and I did request WCI. http://www.star987.com/allrequestnights.html Al The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of support-system-digest V6 #102 ************************************