From: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org (support-system-digest) To: support-system-digest@smoe.org Subject: support-system-digest V6 #92 Reply-To: support-system@smoe.org Sender: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk support-system-digest Wednesday, April 16 2003 Volume 06 : Number 092 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Random stuff ["Mark J. Foxx" ] new songs [Athiena00@aol.com] RE: new songs ["INMAN, DAVID B" ] Re: [Andrea Uptmor ] Record companies [Dermich@aol.com] RE: Record companies ["INMAN, DAVID B" ] A few questions [Kate Stewart ] RE: new songs [Jase ] RE: new songs ["INMAN, DAVID B" ] RE: Record companies [Jase ] no bye, no aloha... [Dan MacDonald ] RE: Record companies ["INMAN, DAVID B" ] RE: Record companies [ReallyHip@aol.com] Re: That was no pirate, that was my own sister [fallout@purdue.edu] sharona, the new album [Valerie ] Re: sharona, the new album [robert joyner ] hope i am wrong [pat flynn ] liz to play Field Day fest in NY [Stephen Griffes ] dorian grey [LilRussianGirl@aol.com] Re: No Pirate [SHERLY McLACHLAN ] Parental Advisory Sticker ["Orange Nish" ] cajones ["dana p." ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 04:37:03 -0500 From: "Mark J. Foxx" Subject: Random stuff I can't really remember what Mike Kat was talking about, but I seem to remember agreeing with his take of the album like...a lot. I'd like to read his whole review. I sort of agree with the inappropriateness of selling "Hot White Cum" to 13-year-olds (because whether or not they've really thought about it that is exactly what they're doing)...except that I think it's absoultely impossible to keep kids "uncorrupted" or whatever in this day and age. I'm 17, so I guess I'm one of the first generations to grow up during and post intenet boom...but I know for sure that I knew what that term meant by the time I was in the 7th grade. I'm sure it's just worse now. I mean...if I had a dollar for every e-mail I've recieved in the past year with the word "cum" in it...I'd have like...more than enough money to get all the Buffy *and* Angel box-sets...or something. I mean, it's all...just words anyway. Especially with Liz's song. If kids doesn't know what the word "cum" is at this point, their parents are likely still protective enough not to buy them an album with a parental advisory sticker. But maybe it should come with an extra little warning not to sing track 11 in public just in case. Also, it's weird that people hate the x-box line. That was almost definitely my favorite line in the first half of the album. It's just...funny. I laughed out loud at that the first time I listened to it. I had to pause the album and rewind because I was so distracted by the sudden burst of personality that I missed the name check. And I loved the name check...but for different reasons. The x-box line is just...funny...because it's so stupid that she's singing a song about loving young guys...but...it's so...on. She wants the type of guy that would romance her by inviting her to play x-box on his floor. I don't know. You can't...make things funny for other people...but I thought it was one of the funniest Liz lines ever. I loved the name check, too...almost as much. It just...fits...with her personality on this album. It's just so...over the top...and completely rediculous...and just...funny. I don't know. The second verse to "Rock Me" is one of my favorite parts about the first half of the album...or...it's lost some of the effect as I've now listened to the album maybe a thousand times, but...yeah. I've gone on way too long about two lines in "Rock Me", but it makes me sad that other people didn't enjoy it...but that everyone liked "Scared". KEN! Can you ask Liz if "Scared" / "Red Light" whatever is *supposed* to be Avril / Michelle Branch parody? Because then the song would actually be pretty great. SIDENOTE: I had a dream last night that I somehow ended up owning "Let Go", and I listened to "Complicated" and it had the same chorus as "Scared". It totally freaked me out. I also...wish the lyrics to "Love / Hate" were...not...these. I really love to think that she was forced into this album by her record company. Because then it's actually really, really cool...because it's almost like beating the system. But I really think she wants a hit just as much as her record company...which is fine. The album still has it's share of good songs; I think the last four tracks are among her best ever. I'm going to have to look at this album in context with the rest of her career. If, in a year, she releases another album...this time the album she really wanted to make...then go Liz. If she waits eighteen months and releases an even better superficial pop record, then...still...go Liz. If she waits another five years and releases something worse...then...eh. I'm really pretty much ok with whatever Liz does after this provided that she doesn't get worse. Or even if she does get worse, it'd be sort of ok if she were somewhat prolific in releasing albums. Five years, GOD. I was starting the 8th grade when her last album came out, and now I'm about to graduate. Weird. But, anyway, I really...can't have much to worry about since I don't imagine that it's prossible for Liz to get any worse than this. Which sounds like a total bashing, but I don't really mean it like that because this *really* isn't bad at all. It's all relative. I only bash it *because* it's Liz Phair, and when something about her music annoys me, it annoys me a lot. But, yeah, for whatever my criticisms of the new album, it is still Liz Phair, and I...cannot stop listening. I can't wait to hear this stuff live. ( I LOVE YOU LIZ ) - -Mark _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 08:32:14 -0400 From: Athiena00@aol.com Subject: new songs i heard the new songs up on the website. and i just dont likethem. i am in agreement with jessica corso. liz can evolve and move all she wants. she can grow up and become a more complex songwriter. shit, she can even turn out a record that ironically sounds like avril helped out (and she did). but doesnt mean i have to buy it. i am NOT wasting my money on her new cd. i think i might by johnny cash's or cat power. now those are some good new records. or maybe i will pick up belle and sebastion....anyone have any suggestions? faith ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 08:25:27 -0500 From: "INMAN, DAVID B" Subject: RE: new songs i'd definitely go with johnny cash & check out the video for the nine inch nails song he did - haunting... as for liz's new record - regardless of your opinion, i wish everyone would quit giving avril levine so much credit - if you hate the songs, blame it on the matrix - they are behind avril levine - avril is just their milli vanilli - we're giving her waaaaayyy too much credit. - -----Original Message----- From: Athiena00@aol.com [mailto:Athiena00@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2003 7:32 AM To: support-system@smoe.org Subject: new songs i heard the new songs up on the website. and i just dont likethem. i am in agreement with jessica corso. liz can evolve and move all she wants. she can grow up and become a more complex songwriter. shit, she can even turn out a record that ironically sounds like avril helped out (and she did). but doesnt mean i have to buy it. i am NOT wasting my money on her new cd. i think i might by johnny cash's or cat power. now those are some good new records. or maybe i will pick up belle and sebastion....anyone have any suggestions? faith ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 09:43:47 -0500 From: Andrea Uptmor Subject: Re: that's fine and all but you should really hear the whole album before you say anything about it. common sense. Quoting Jessica Corso : > So, I've been listening to Ms. Phair since I was twelve > (I'm now 20), and her music has had a profound impact > on my adolescence up until even today. She was one of > the few musical entities that had a sort of voice that has > stayed with me and taken on all sorts of new meanings over an > eight year period. And then there's this new album. You know, I realize > and am fully accepting of the fact that there will never be another > Exile. And that's fine with me. I am all for "artists evolving" and > growing and blah blah blah, my only request being that this oh so > highly evolved music isn't complete and utter trash. I am in > no way putting down anyone who likes this album, but it is > not the musical Liz we grew up with. By this I'm not trying to > suggest her material should sound the SAME, I'm just implying > it should sound like HER. I thought Polyester Bride was a bit of > a stretch from her usual when I first heard it, but you could still un- > mistakably tell who was singing. After hearing the new songs up on > the website, it sounds like it will just meld with the rest of the mindless > drone that consumes mainstream music. I agree with the fact that musical > artists cannot always please their fans, but I just don't understand how > an obviously creative and intelligent artist could be personally pleased > with marginal at best work. I was listening to the song "Do You Love Me" > off of Girlysound last night, and I was saddened by the realization that it > really does just become all about commercialism and money, even to someone > that > I've held in such regard since I was young. I supposed Liz said it best > herself > with the line "It's nice to be liked....but it's better by far to get > paid."Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : > http://explorer.msn.com > - -- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 10:45:11 -0400 From: Dermich@aol.com Subject: Record companies Lor wrote: >I wish more artists would have the balls enough, like Aimee >Mann, to tell them to Fuck Off. I really think you made some good points, but actually, that example isn't a very good one. Aimee made her name the traditional way, through MTV and a major-label deal. It didn't work out for her, and she was enterprising enough to parlay her high profile into a more artist-centric new deal. That's something that really, really bothers me: These famous artists who talk about tearing down the system and "doing it all themselves." That is such utter crap. They're playing the system and its distribution themselves, then picking up and continuing on when things didn't go their ways (although 9 times out of 10 nothing changed in the contract they signed; they just decided to wipe the stars out of their eyes long enough to realize that all those people who do promotion gotta get paid somehow too). Liz has always, always said she wanted to be a big star. We'll see. derek ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 09:51:38 -0500 From: "INMAN, DAVID B" Subject: RE: Record companies These famous artists who talk about tearing down the system and "doing it all themselves." That is such utter crap. I agree, with the exception of Fugazi. - -----Original Message----- From: Dermich@aol.com [mailto:Dermich@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2003 9:45 AM To: support-system@smoe.org Subject: Record companies Lor wrote: >I wish more artists would have the balls enough, like Aimee >Mann, to tell them to Fuck Off. I really think you made some good points, but actually, that example isn't a very good one. Aimee made her name the traditional way, through MTV and a major-label deal. It didn't work out for her, and she was enterprising enough to parlay her high profile into a more artist-centric new deal. That's something that really, really bothers me: These famous artists who talk about tearing down the system and "doing it all themselves." That is such utter crap. They're playing the system and its distribution themselves, then picking up and continuing on when things didn't go their ways (although 9 times out of 10 nothing changed in the contract they signed; they just decided to wipe the stars out of their eyes long enough to realize that all those people who do promotion gotta get paid somehow too). Liz has always, always said she wanted to be a big star. We'll see. derek ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 08:06:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Kate Stewart Subject: A few questions I thought I'd pose a few random Liz-related questions, some of which I have been wondering about for quite a while. If you want, feel free to email me instead of clogging up the list. 1. Recently someone told me that Johnny Feelgood is about drugs. True or false? (personally, I vote for false) 2. Has anyone ever tried to figure out the lyrics to Bars of the Bed? Not the Star-spangled banner lyrics, obviously, but what she sings over it on the second time around. Maybe I'm deaf, but I can't figure out what she's singing. 3. Does Liz know how to read music? I read something about how she faked her way through music lessons when she was little and was just wondering whether she ever really learned. It seems like some of the best songwriters don't read music. Does anyone know if she has a way of writing down songs? 4. What song is the phrase "The mean girl with the eyebrows" from? 5. Liz has called herself a feminist and also been labeled as one before. Do you think the new album will change or confirm that? That's probably enough for now. Kate The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 12:03:49 -0400 From: Jase Subject: RE: new songs David wrote: >as for liz's new record - regardless of your opinion, i wish everyone >would quit giving avril levine so much credit - if you hate the songs, >blame it on the matrix - they are behind avril levine - avril is just >their milli vanilli - we're giving her waaaaayyy too much credit. Exactly. It's a little weird to say that anything sounds Avril-esque, because she really doesn't have a sound of her own. She just has what was created for her by her collaborators/producers. The songs on the Web site sound like the Matrix ... which makes sense, as they're the ones who produced them. Before anyone writes Liz off and decides not to buy the album when it comes out, why don't you wait until you hear some of the other songs? The Matrix tracks make up less than a third of the album and they're not really representative of the record as a whole. Also, remember, if you don't buy the album, you won't have access to the internet-only EP that the CD will contain a secure link to. You won't get to hear any of the other songs that didn't make it onto the record, some of which you may like better than the ones you've heard so far. Jase ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 11:03:15 -0500 From: "INMAN, DAVID B" Subject: RE: new songs Is anyone on this list really considering NOT buying this album? Man, I hope not! After all this chatter about it, how could you resist. Also regarding promos, bootlegs, etc.. Has anyone ever gotten a "burned" or "illegal" before the actual LP is release that wound up sounding exactly like the actual release? I know I haven't, which makes buying the LP that much more crucial. - -----Original Message----- From: Jase [mailto:phairist@cogeco.ca] Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2003 11:04 AM To: support-system@smoe.org Subject: RE: new songs David wrote: >as for liz's new record - regardless of your opinion, i wish everyone >would quit giving avril levine so much credit - if you hate the songs, >blame it on the matrix - they are behind avril levine - avril is just >their milli vanilli - we're giving her waaaaayyy too much credit. Exactly. It's a little weird to say that anything sounds Avril-esque, because she really doesn't have a sound of her own. She just has what was created for her by her collaborators/producers. The songs on the Web site sound like the Matrix ... which makes sense, as they're the ones who produced them. Before anyone writes Liz off and decides not to buy the album when it comes out, why don't you wait until you hear some of the other songs? The Matrix tracks make up less than a third of the album and they're not really representative of the record as a whole. Also, remember, if you don't buy the album, you won't have access to the internet-only EP that the CD will contain a secure link to. You won't get to hear any of the other songs that didn't make it onto the record, some of which you may like better than the ones you've heard so far. Jase ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 12:28:03 -0400 From: Jase Subject: RE: Record companies David wrote: >These famous artists who talk about tearing down the system and "doing it >all themselves." That is such utter crap. > >I agree, with the exception of Fugazi. What about Ani DiFranco? She's never been signed to any label other than her own. I don't like all of her music, but I do think she deserves a lot of credit for everything she's achieved. She's worked hard for it. I sort of disagree with the point Derek made about Aimee Mann. I still think it was a gamble for her to buy her record back from Interscope and put it out on her own label. There really were no guarantees it was going to work out any better for her to go it on her own, especially when she and her manager had to figure out how to do marketing and distribution from scratch. She invested a lot of time and her own money into it; luckily it paid off and she's selling a lot more records now than she had before. By "famous artists who talk about tearing down the system and 'doing it all themselves,'" I could see the point more if we were talking about platinum-selling artists who really don't need to rely on major label support any longer and decide to break away from the system. I think it's more of a gamble to do it when you're a cult artist like Aimee. At the time, she didn't have the same name recognition as someone like Natalie Merchant (who has recently left Elektra and started her own label); her first two solo records at that point had sold a combined total of less than 230,000 copies. For bigger-selling artists, going on their own is a way of making more money for themselves; for artists like Aimee who refuse to give in and produce "hits," it's more of a means of survival. I totally respect what she's done, especially now that she's going to be using her own label as a means of getting other unrecognized artists' music out there as well, under more artist-friendly terms. She's supposed to be putting out a record by Scott Miller (of the Loud Family and Game Theory), one of her own favorite songwriters who's never received any sort of real recognition; he's more of a cult artist than Aimee had been at the time of her first two solo records. I think it's great that she's now able to use her newfound success and resources to help the artists she admires. Jase ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 12:10:27 -0400 From: Dan MacDonald Subject: no bye, no aloha... hey liz-ters, i'm gonna be temporarily un-subbing myself from this list - after seven years of this particular email address, i figured it's time to retire it. actually, no. i'm moving today (YAY!) and i'm also getting a new high-speed internet hook-up, which means i gotta get a new addy. so yeah - anyone on this list who i correspond with (i know i'm on a "hush-hush", above the law cd tree with kate stewart) u can now reach me temporarily at deadshark77@hotmail.com that's my other email - i've had that one for about as long too!! SAPPY, NOSTALGIC MOMENT: weird...i joined this list just after leaving highschool. i bombed university...eventually sobered up to go to college and i just bought my own house (well, half mine). pretty crazy shit. i'm about as different a person as liz phair is a recording artist. i think i've been on this list almost as long as i've had internet access...jase - when did u start the list? '96?? i forget...my memory is fucked (drugs + alcohol = bad). anyway, i'll see u all very soon..... ps - i heard hot white cum and i'm in love. girlysound all grown up. sorta. laters, dan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 11:22:23 -0500 From: "INMAN, DAVID B" Subject: RE: Record companies Yup forgot about Annie - I'm personally glad she usually does double albums, because I usually like about 10% of her stuff, but I REALLY like that 10%. It's a sad day when the artist formerly and currently know as Prince (or his accountants) figure out he made more money selling 100,000 records on his website than he did selling millions with Warner. - -----Original Message----- From: Jase [mailto:phairist@cogeco.ca] Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2003 11:28 AM To: support-system@smoe.org Subject: RE: Record companies David wrote: >These famous artists who talk about tearing down the system and "doing it >all themselves." That is such utter crap. > >I agree, with the exception of Fugazi. What about Ani DiFranco? She's never been signed to any label other than her own. I don't like all of her music, but I do think she deserves a lot of credit for everything she's achieved. She's worked hard for it. I sort of disagree with the point Derek made about Aimee Mann. I still think it was a gamble for her to buy her record back from Interscope and put it out on her own label. There really were no guarantees it was going to work out any better for her to go it on her own, especially when she and her manager had to figure out how to do marketing and distribution from scratch. She invested a lot of time and her own money into it; luckily it paid off and she's selling a lot more records now than she had before. By "famous artists who talk about tearing down the system and 'doing it all themselves,'" I could see the point more if we were talking about platinum-selling artists who really don't need to rely on major label support any longer and decide to break away from the system. I think it's more of a gamble to do it when you're a cult artist like Aimee. At the time, she didn't have the same name recognition as someone like Natalie Merchant (who has recently left Elektra and started her own label); her first two solo records at that point had sold a combined total of less than 230,000 copies. For bigger-selling artists, going on their own is a way of making more money for themselves; for artists like Aimee who refuse to give in and produce "hits," it's more of a means of survival. I totally respect what she's done, especially now that she's going to be using her own label as a means of getting other unrecognized artists' music out there as well, under more artist-friendly terms. She's supposed to be putting out a record by Scott Miller (of the Loud Family and Game Theory), one of her own favorite songwriters who's never received any sort of real recognition; he's more of a cult artist than Aimee had been at the time of her first two solo records. I think it's great that she's now able to use her newfound success and resources to help the artists she admires. Jase ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 12:59:05 -0400 From: ReallyHip@aol.com Subject: RE: Record companies Whether or not you sign to a label or not, you play a chess game. It's just a different kind of game. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 13:02:41 -0500 From: fallout@purdue.edu Subject: Re: That was no pirate, that was my own sister Even with the fear that this will be lost in a sea of like- and opposite-minded e-mails and will only be skimmed over like so many posts the past week, I want to ask: What is that appeals to you about White Hot Cum? To me, personally, in my opinion, based from my perspective, I think it's as soulless and vacant as the rest of the album. That she says hot white cum 435 times does not make it good, or edgy, just repetitive. It isn't Liz's much fabled and mythified "roots." That song, to me, in my opinion, based from my perspective, like the rest of the album, lacks subtext, lacks more than a single emotion, lacks substance. Hot White Cum differs from such songs such as "Fuck and Run" in whereas "Fuck and Run" was funny, and sad, and so fucking true, White Hot Cum is about a middle-aged woman saying Hot Hot Cum a lot. "Fuck and Run" is also followed by "Girls!Girls!Girls!" which immensely funny and sad and double-edged and shines new light on its predecessor. And I think the superiority of "Flower" is in every respect immediately evident. And, I swear to God, I swear to fucking God, I swear, I do not ever want to hear her sing "Fuck and Menopause," but I do not want something vapid, falsely joyful, and bottom-line oriented. And that hurts, because I really want to like hearing Liz Phair say "cum" 435 times. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 14:36:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Valerie Subject: sharona, the new album dp, sandra...now i have to dig out the "reality bites" soundtrack to listen to "my sharona" for the dirty hidden meaning...in retrospect, i always wondered about that "running down the length of my thigh" line. oy. i heard an even better song by the knack the other day...remember "good girls don't"? it came on the radio while i was in the car, beautiful day, windows down, cranked it up...pure pop genius. yesterday was similarly beautiful, and i popped in my newly acquired (thanks sam!) HTT/LP whatever it is with anticipation. let's just say listening to the knack was a better experience. and maybe i just don't get it yet, it needs to grow on me, i'm being a snob, whatever. i'm only on the second time through it, listening only in the car. off the top of my head, i like the intro to "it's sweet" (the song's not bad). i don't like the super-produced-talking-through-water-like-cher-singing-"believe" backup accompaniment that pops up here and there. "HWC" *is* catchy. and "why can't i" was *made* to be used in some sort of teen/college romantic comedy starring either freddie prinze jr. or some kids from WB shows. it will play as the frat boy/young republican and the angry PETA protester girl in army surplus chic (hey, and maybe that sassy little pink skirt!) discover their unlikely attraction to each other (the boy will order a veggie burger from her while she's working in the cafeteria and visit animal cruelty web sites, the girl will cut her dreadlocks to show her pretty face and buy some nice clothes that fit at banana republic...o henry would be proud), and young girls everywhere will swoon. (all you budding filmmakers keep your hands off my killer plot line!). bottom line...this album wasn't made for me. and that's fine. the world will keep turning, and i have plenty of good stuff to listen to. carry on. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 12:27:12 -0700 (PDT) From: robert joyner Subject: Re: sharona, the new album - --- Valerie wrote: > song's not bad). i don't like the > super-produced-talking-through-water-like-cher-singing-"believe" > backup accompaniment that pops up here and there. > "HWC" *is* catchy. and "why can't i" was *made* to > be used in some sort of teen/college romantic comedy > starring either freddie prinze jr. or some kids from > WB shows. it will play as the frat boy/young > republican and the angry PETA protester girl in army > surplus chic (hey, and maybe that sassy little pink > skirt!) discover their unlikely attraction to each > other (the boy will order a veggie burger from her > while she's working in the c! > afeteria and visit animal cruelty web sites, the > girl will cut her dreadlocks to show her pretty face > and buy some nice clothes that fit at banana > republic...o henry would be proud), and young girls > everywhere will swoon. (all you budding filmmakers > keep your hands off my killer plot line!). Damn, i was thinking the exact same thing! well except for the republican thing...and peta.....and the veggie burger....and the dreadlocks. but def thought this song sounded like it should be in one of those ads for the feelgood teen movie of the summer (and don't they all star Mr Prinze?). I think Capitol is using IM to market the new album and solcit opinion on the matrix tracks...i have been im'ed three times by folks asking me to visit lizphair.com and tell them what i think of the three tracks. they ask the same ?'s each time and last time they even plugged the release date. weird. anyone else gonna get the new Pete Yorn album? Gonna try and hit the circuit city tomm. and get it on the cheap. Wonder if Capitol will throw the "Liz Phair" album out there at some ridiculous price point (like they did with the vines - 5.99 or 6.99) to attract folks to take a chance on the album? if so i'm guessing even the folks who said they won't buy it, will. I don't care i'm buying it anyway, even if i am less than pleased about the album. I either like or can tolerate half the album so it is worth it to me. Besides, Liz is an artist that i want to financially support so that she will remain viable, even if Why Can't I? is a steaming pile. later Robert ===== - ------------------------------------------------------------ Nashville - A Liz Phair Web Site http://www.geocities.com/robnashville - ------------------------------------------------------------ The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 18:39:39 -0400 (EDT) From: pat flynn Subject: hope i am wrong well the other day i was put in the friday after next, which was by the way really not funny. and i was watching the previews, as you can usually read a movie by its previews. so this terrible movie comes on with none other than patrick swayze, and in the background i heard liz. i hope that i am wrong, but i think it was a song from wcse, i dont know the album well, because i don't particularily like it, but nonetheless thought i recognized liz. not that mr swayze is the worst, he was totally there for me when i came out about 7 years ago, actually he was the reason i came out, but nonetheless i wonder what liz's music was doing in this movie. i hope i am mistaken. pat ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 19:17:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Stephen Griffes Subject: liz to play Field Day fest in NY liz is scheduled to play saturday june 7th from pollstar.com: New Yorkers are going to be having a Field Day in June. The first-ever music, arts and camping festival is slated for Calverton - on Long Island's North Fork - June 7-8, and features Radiohead and the Beastie Boys headlining, respectively. Think of this as a Burning Man for the East Coast. "The idea behind Field Day was to create a world-class music, arts and camping festival on the East Coast of the United States," event mastermind Andrew Dreskin said. "Field Day is the product of our desire to present a different kind of festival, one that melds music, contemporary art and freedom of expression. In some ways, Field Day is a sociological experiment. "We hope ticket buyers use Field Day as a platform for self-expression. They can register to create art installations and group camps with their friends. I bet we see some pretty interesting costumes out there." There is an allocated area of the festival site dedicated to artistic expression. Concert-goers are encouraged to register to create an art installation or performance art piece. Artist expression isn't limited to the arts area. Camping groups are also invited to create their own artistic environment for all to enjoy in the Group Camp corral. But enough about the arts and on to the music. There's an impressive two-day roster lined up for Field Day. Among the many names on the list are Beck, Underworld, Thievery Corporation, Spiritualized, Interpol, Dashboard Confessional, Beth Orton, Liz Phair, Tortoise, Thursday, The Raveonettes, My Morning Jacket, Ben Lee, Gemma Hayes, and the 22-20s. Ok. So that's all of them for June 7, which also sees Radiohead closing the day. June 8 will see Sigur Ros, Blur, The Roots, The Streets, Elliott Smith, N.E.R.D., Luna, Blackalicious, The Sea And Cake, Le Tigre, Peanut Butter Wolf, Trachtenburg Family Slideshow Players, The Polyphonic Spree, The Music, Particle, and Ours. The Beastie Boys round out the day. Tickets are available April 18 at fielddayfest.com or Ticketmaster. There are several pricing options and three different date tiers. Depending on when you purchase, a single day pass can run from $65 to $85; $120 to $160 for two-day passes; and $150 to $190 for two-day passes with camping. A portion of the proceeds will go to benefit various charities, including the East End Arts Council, the Community School Of The Arts, and Students For A Free Tibet. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 20:34:17 EDT From: LilRussianGirl@aol.com Subject: dorian grey hey- Forgive my cultural ignorance but who or what is Dorian Grey? thanks ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 17:44:21 -0700 (PDT) From: SHERLY McLACHLAN Subject: Re: No Pirate Why I like HWC !!! Boy that even makes me laugh typing it. Anyways someone asked why. I guess for me it's more than the sound which sticks in your head , or the words that are fun to sing along to. If your one of the people that actually seen the medical study results, of the supposed, positive effects of sperm on women you might apprieciate it more. For me it's even alittle clearer as around the same time as I seen the med. results, about 2yrs. ago, I was on an international flight and one of the movies they played was Dorian Grey. I'm not sure that's the title of the movie but in any case I no who she is referring to. It just makes me laugh that she can sound so serious when she sings it. That's It ! Lor Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 19:55:12 -0500 From: "Orange Nish" Subject: Parental Advisory Sticker What does Liz sing to warrant a "Parental Adivorsory" sticker? _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 18:36:16 -0700 From: "dana p." Subject: cajones ****[copied from previous digest:] Another random question to which I honestly don't have an answer: Do you think the people who like "Liz Phair" will also like her past three releases? I just have a feeling I'll be sitting in a bar somewhere along the way with somebody playing "Why Can't I?" over and over again on the juke box and saying . . . "man, I love Liz Phair, but her early stuff stunk. I can't believe I wasted my money on that droning shit."***** this has already happened to me, 5 years ago with WCSE. this friend of mine liked "polyester bride" and then figgered he'd check out the backcatalog and then kinda got mad at ME for blathering on about the sheer genius of EiG and how he should definitely get it. he was like, "i hate this crap. genius? what are you even talking about??" you think you know someone.... so yeah, that's yet another question about this new "pop" tactic. i agree with the questioning of why she can't somehow tell these people where to stick their matrix and just say "this is me; back me or shut up." i just don't get it. ------------------------------ End of support-system-digest V6 #92 ***********************************