From: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org (support-system-digest) To: support-system-digest@smoe.org Subject: support-system-digest V6 #90 Reply-To: support-system@smoe.org Sender: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk support-system-digest Monday, April 14 2003 Volume 06 : Number 090 Today's Subjects: ----------------- JT LeRoy ["Chris DeLisle" ] liz bashing ["Daaaaan Theman" ] Re: liz bashing [Brett Jones ] Re: Bounced message [AWeiss4338@aol.com] is liz ready for this? ["Mike Katsoulis" ] Liz sings backup on new Pete Yorn single [Charles M ] Several Points to Be Made ["Michael Worrell" ] Re: product placement, teenage wasteland, and (of course) the new album [] Re: product placement, teenage wasteland, and (of course) the new album [Matt Tilden Subject: JT LeRoy re: Liz will be participating in "A night with JT LeRoy and friends". It's a reading of JT Leroy's work, hosted by Winona Ryder, and featuring readers such as Liz Phair, Rosario Dawson, Maggie Gyllenhall, Debbie Harry, Stephan Jenkins, Tatum O'Neal... alright, who the hell is JT LeRoy, and where does he come off having 5 of the girls of my dreams throughout my life (Tatum O'Neal when she was in "Bad News Bears" and i was, what, 4 or 5...Debbie Harry when "Heart of Glass" came out and i JUST KNEW she was "sexy," although i didn't really know what it meant at 7...Winona Ryder, who was IT in my late teens, Liz, and the latest babe du jahre (that's crappy french for "babe of the year") Maggie Gyllenhall) reading his work? and shouldn't Meg Ryan be there just to complete the list? that's just not fair. chris deLisle ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 02:25:01 -0400 From: "Daaaaan Theman" Subject: liz bashing All you who keep trashing the new liz album and liz herself can go fuck yourselves. It's a great record and if you hate it, you probably hated WCSE too. Why are you still listening to her then?! Keep it to yourselves. She is never going to make EIG again, but that's ok. this album is amazing. I'm sick of reading all this bullshit. Find someone else to bash. All of you who trash it are going to make the people who haven't heard it have a skewed and biased opinion of it. Well i'm sorry, but it's really good. Get over yourselves. - -Dan (waiting for the hate mail) _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 02:53:49 -0400 From: Brett Jones Subject: Re: liz bashing Lets bash Daaaaan for getting his panties all tied in a knot and trying to stop people speaking their mind. Freedom of speach, it's a beautiful thing. Daaaaan Theman wrote: > All you who keep trashing the new liz album and liz herself can go fuck > yourselves. It's a great record and if you hate it, you probably hated > WCSE too. Why are you still listening to her then?! Keep it to > yourselves. She is never going to make EIG again, but that's ok. this > album is amazing. I'm sick of reading all this bullshit. Find someone > else to bash. All of you who trash it are going to make the people who > haven't heard it have a skewed and biased opinion of it. Well i'm sorry, > but it's really good. Get over yourselves. > > -Dan > > (waiting for the hate mail) > > _________________________________________________________________ > Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail - -- Brett Jones brett@5foot2.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 03:04:31 EDT From: AWeiss4338@aol.com Subject: Re: Bounced message In a message dated 4/13/2003 12:35:37 AM Eastern Standard Time, owner-support-system@smoe.org writes: > has anyone submitted their feedback about the new songs directly to the > official liz site? > it's like a little mktg survey. > I have. It will be interesting what, if anything , happens with it. I suspect you'll get on her announcement list from it. Andrea W ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 03:34:31 -0500 From: "Mike Katsoulis" Subject: is liz ready for this? *this,* being the criticism. i posted my long review of the album at another forum that i read regularly, and the following is what someone had to say on my review of the song "hot white cum." although i do love the new album, i think this is a very valid argument: <> ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 10:39:59 -0400 From: Charles M Subject: Liz sings backup on new Pete Yorn single Yes, it's an Elvis tune: "Suspicious Minds". Liz does very low-key backup on the Dawn version (hard to tell it's her), accompanied by Brad Wood on "Electro-bongo". It's on a bonus single that will accompany the first copies of Pete's new cd, to be released on Tax Day. I'll post a scan of the sleeve at Never Said later this morning. Charles - ----- Liz Phair @ Never Said :: http://mywebpages.comcast.net/discographer/liz/ Get Your War On :: http://www.mnftiu.cc/mnftiu.cc/war.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 10:24:55 -0500 From: "sandra" Subject: my sharona? horrors! dp, you just made me bust a nut. how did i not know this? sandra only in those days, we'd have "my sharona" blaring out the > windows--and at least it's about masturbation, for chrissakes--something > *interesting*.... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 13:19:40 -0400 From: "Michael Worrell" Subject: Several Points to Be Made The more I think about it, the more that this post could be titled "Beavis Lives!", but I'm too obstinant to fix it. Anyways, to my points: 1. I'll confess that I was worried about this album. The fact that Miss Levine's support team was brought on board to the latest ECP thing was concerning me. Call me crazy, but I was of the opinion that Liz don't need a support system. Ha ha. Miss Levine's album, although occasionally interesting in a sonic way, was about as utterly devoid of vocalized "feeling" as was the soundtrack to Carl Sagan's "Cosmos". Inasmuch as the Cosmos soundtrack _had_ no vocals (more or less), this is a bad thing. At some point during the discussion, I remembered that ECP, unlike Sheryl Crow (boo! hiss!) for example, has never let me down on an album. "Trust Liz," my brain said. OK. It could very well be a steaming pile o' poo, but at least it would be an ECP steamin' pile o' poo, and that would mean that it's better than most released music out there at the moment. 2. I finally worked up the surfing courage to visit lizphair.com, and that was no small venture. My reaction to the site is probably influenced by the fact that I'd recently watched most of "Beavis and Butt-head Do America" and seen the new commercial for an anthology of their greatest episodes (sans the video portions, which really diminishes the appeal of the product; half the cool of that series was the video bit[1]). At this point, I suppose it's pretty obvious that my reaction was along the lines of "huh huh huh...cool". I don't know CBGB from C.G.B. Spender, but I do know that she's still holding up well in the visual appeal department, and this is a good thing. Sayeth Butt-head: "Hey baby..." At the same time, let me paraphrase the candidate formerly known as "viable" and say that we need a regime change in the costuming department for that photo shoot. I still haven't heard a single of the songs from this album yet, and I'm not going to until whenever it's released. I'll either find it cool or find it foul at that point, and that'll be that. 3. I'm not down with the whole evolving artist thing. Why is this, you ask? Because I'm big on continual meeting of my expectations. Artistic experimentation, although cool for the people in "old-red" America is not satisfactory for me down in "old-blue" America. When I lay out my hard-wheedled bucks for say an Olivia Newton-John album (wind the clock back fifteen or twenty years in the process), I'm not expecting to get 21st century bump-'n-grind music from Christina Aguilera. I don't like surprises---if I put money on an artist that isn't "risk capital" so to speak, I don't want to hear the musical version of "This isn't really a Pepsi and I'm not Halle Berry". My reactions usually look something like that dude who got Barry Bostwick in the end, or Florence Henderson instead of Sharon Osbourne. (Admittedly, had it been Shirley Jones or Susan Dey, I think I could have coped. Fractally painted buses rock.) Another thought on artist change: If it happens, fine, well, chin up and hope for something better on the next album. If it's forced, then hellfire and damnations, that's a bad thing. Having said that, it's her career---I hope. She wants to do that uniquely American thing called profiting from her labor, and hopefully she's got a good reason to make these changes. I figure we all ought to be affirmatively "for" whatever it is that makes Liz's cash register ring. [1] Anyone know if an ECP video ever made it to the TV of those two? I could envision a couple of humorous uses for "Chopsticks" and Stewart. Michael NP: "Dance of Illusions", Castlevania: Symphony of the Night OST "You think you know what I'm doing, so obviously you don't."---Aeon Flux ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 13:15:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Amber Subject: Re: product placement, teenage wasteland, and (of course) the new album okay, i was reading through some posts yesterday and noticed several people griping about the X-box mention in Rock Me. does anyone recall the Walkman reference that was in the original version of stratford-on-guy (from girlysounds)? i didn't think it was that big of a deal. i mean, ps2 or (more generic) video games doesn't really fit. and if she is in fact singing about a college guy, the mention of x-box is very fitting. oh, and i liked what she was wearing. i didn't like the whole wcse dressy, more-polished liz. the clothes actually take me back to the different stuff she used to wear back in exile and w-s days. another thing, different topic, is it just me, or does It's a War sound like the Who's Teenage Wasteland. it's just that sound that's louder in the beginning, end and through the chorus. i have to say, most of the songs are really growing on me. i feel i have kind of grown in the same direction with liz. i had a baby not too long before wcse came out so, even though i didn't really like the style of it at first, i really identified with the songs because i was going through some of the same stuff. you know, it was like she felt she needed to be more reserved and grown-up (reflected in the clothes there, too) because she was married and had a kid and all these grown-up responsibilities. same here. and now that he's older (my son), and i am a single-mom as well, i feel i can do more, have more fun like i used to. i've got some things figured out and it sounds like she does too. she wants to make a living, yeah, but the songs ARE fun. you do what you have to do to be able to do what you want. yeah, i think the old liz stuff should have been played more and could have been but the truth is, for some strange reason, it didn't. maybe this album will and she can keep doing the stuff she wants to do. maybe we'll get some good, raw liz out of it. or maybe that's just my positive thinking. oh, and the people judging the whole album on just the matrix songs from the website...they are just that...all matrix songs. they didn't give a fair representation of the album by doing that. just my opinion. wow, that turned out to be longer than i thought, sorry, *amber* Yahoo! 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Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 16:12:23 -0600 From: "laughing intothefire" Subject: Re: is liz ready for this? well well well who really gives a fuck if liz phair is singing about white hot cum on a pop album. i mean at least she has the balls to really say something forward about sex instead of these cryptic teenie bopper messages that britney spears and all these other cheese dick pop stars convey. i'm sure that little kids have heard and seen much worse by now. not that they should, but as the years go by the more desensetised our socitety becomes. i loved madonna's like a virgin when i was eight years old. in fact its the first album i ever bought. thank god my musical tastes have progressed...and now i understand why my mom was horrified, threw away my tiffany tape and bought me the white album instead. to each their own. hopefully they evolve! if you guys haven't got 'The White Stripes Elephant' yet go fuckin get it! ta ta e.j.g. _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 22:37:00 EDT From: BobDsn@aol.com Subject: Thoughts on the new songs from a long-time lurker & infrequent poster I've been listening to the Phair one from the get-go. I bought GUYVILLE as soon as I read about it, and loved it. So fresh and brash! I anxiously awaited the follow-up and bought that immediately as well. WHIP-SMART was a bit of a letdown for me though. There are some great songs on W-S-- Chopsticks, Supernova, Jealousy, but my overall impression of that record is that most of the songs are leftovers that didn't make the cut for GUYVILLE. whitechocolatespaceegg was a pleasant surprise. Liz's singing is more confident, and the production is more polished, but it still has that Liz Phair magic. I remember hearing Polyester Bride for the first time on the radio and thinking, "hold on-- that sounds like Liz Phair. Wait-- that IS Liz Phair! Hmm . . . pretty strange song. I like it!" Now that I've heard the three songs from Liz's upcoming CD all I can say is "huh?" The songs are catchy and enjoyable enough, but they are also instantly forgettable. Instead of hearing Liz Phair, all I hear are similarities to He ather Nova, Sheryl Crow, Avril Lavigne, etc. I hope I'm wrong, but I really don't think this CD is going to do anything to further Liz's career. I just don't hear anything original going on there anymore. I'm looking forward to the live shows though. - -Bob K. ------------------------------ End of support-system-digest V6 #90 ***********************************