From: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org (support-system-digest) To: support-system-digest@smoe.org Subject: support-system-digest V6 #72 Reply-To: support-system@smoe.org Sender: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk support-system-digest Thursday, March 27 2003 Volume 06 : Number 072 Today's Subjects: ----------------- preview of album ["sandra" ] extrdnry [Judy Feldmann ] HWC [Kate Stewart ] Re: support-system-digest V6 #71 [Kate Stewart ] Re: support-system-digest V6 #71 ["Daaaaan Theman" Subject: preview of album jesus christ, stop arguing and just copy and distribute the fucking thing. we're ALL going to buy it anyway. every last one of us. michael, THANK YOU for that review!! sandra ps: and please let's be respectful of others and Trim Our Posts. who wants to scroll forever? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 17:06:19 -0500 From: Judy Feldmann Subject: extrdnry >You think that I go home at night >Take off my clothes, turn out the lights >But I burn letters that I write >To you, to make you love me > >But I drive naked through the park >And run the stop sign in the dark >Stand in the street, yell out my heart >To make, to make you love me > >You may not believe in me >But I believe in you >So I still take the trash out >Does that make you too normal for you? > >So dig a little deeper, cause >You still don't get it yet >See me lickin' my lips, need a primitive fix >And I'll make, I'll make you love me > >See me jump through hoops for you >You stand there watching me performing >What exactly do you do? >Have you ever thought it's you that's boring? >Who the hell are you? those lyrics to verses of 'extraordinary' sound VERY cool to me ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 16:17:18 -0800 (PST) From: Kate Stewart Subject: HWC After reading Michael's review of Hot White Cum, it reminded me of an article I read a few months ago, in a feminist magazine (probably Bust or Bitch). It was about this honest-to-God medical study on women who had unprotected sex vs. women who had no sex or protected sex.... and these doctors concluded that women who had a regular dose of "HWC" were happier and in a better mood than those that didn't. I kid you not. They said it was something about the horomones in semen that made women happy..... I don't think I have to explain the reaction it got in the magazine. I think the study may have been disproven later. Anyway, it just makes me wonder if Liz keeps up on her Medical Journal reading. Sounds like she's still our same old Liz, responding to sexist cultural things in a very subtle and sarcastic way.... it's too bad that people (like those Sound Opinion guys) don't get it. Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 16:23:20 -0800 (PST) From: Kate Stewart Subject: Re: support-system-digest V6 #71 Just found the article. It was in Bitch, issue #19, page 15, if anybody is interested. The study was done at SUNY Albany by Gordon Gallop and was published in the _Archives of Sexual Behavior_. If you can't tell, I am a grad student geek. Always cite your sources! Kate Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 19:59:57 -0500 From: "Daaaaan Theman" Subject: Re: support-system-digest V6 #71 I am so glad that the lyrics to "Extraordinary" were posted. The super-goddess part does actually work with the rest of the song. I feel much better about the album after the mini-review. I'd love to start a tree thing, Now that I know so much about it, I can't wait till the end of June! I feel kind of badly about what I wrote after hearing that tiny blurb of the song. I was listening to the song "Perfect World" today, and I realized if I heard the line "i wanna be cool, tall, vulnerable, and luscious", I might have found it slightly cheesy as well, but it really works in the song. And I do like "Firewalker" a lot, I just liked the other few songs better. Did anything from girlysound surface on the record? Even a little line, or melody? dan - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 21:41:49 -0500 From: owner-support-system@smoe.org (by way of Jase ) Subject: Bounced message (RE: "Happy Tragic Thing" PROMO!!!!!!) From: "INMAN, DAVID B" To: "'Jeffrey Gray'" , "J. Alan Doak" , support-system@smoe.org Subject: RE: "Happy Tragic Thing" PROMO!!!!!! Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 11:21:32 -0600 Actually, I am required to "payback" my salary each year, however, unlike others, I don't get the excess, but if I fall short I owe the company. I sense a bit of sarcasm in your email - but your biting the wrong hand - I'm the one who is there on Tuesday morning to buy the first copy for sale - - in line the night before tickets go on sale - don't drink beer, cuz I could have a t-shirt instead. I don't get the idea you're serious, but I am the ideal fan for Liz - I buy all of her products (without hearing them first) on CD & vinyl, I've seen her in concert, stood in line for her autograph, proudly wear her t-shirts, display her stickers and recommend her to everyone I can - all this just because I like her music - I expect nothing in return. Oh yeah, after I've purchased every commercial product that Liz has to offer, I've purchased other non-commercial products. I'm a part of the solution, not the problem. If Liz's record company can't make money because of fans like me, then perhaps the blame should turn inward. Finally, I really appreciate listserves such as this one - the next best thing to actually hearing new Liz material, is hearing about new Liz material. This beats the heck out of wondering if she's even still interested in the music biz. P.S. I too am in a band, self financed - the most thrilling day of my short life as a band member was when a friend of mine told me she heard a "demo" copy of our CD long before it was finished. I was just thrilled anyone was interested enough to listen. Oh, and she bought three "commercial" copies at the CD release show. - -----Original Message----- From: Jeffrey Gray [mailto:jeffrey@bugmusic.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 10:06 AM To: INMAN, DAVID B; J. Alan Doak; support-system@smoe.org Subject: RE: "Happy Tragic Thing" PROMO!!!!!! Well you're a regular saint and saviour of your own soul I guess. I'm sure making sure to buy the commercially released product helps you sleep better at night. I dont know how many bonafied fans enjoy ripping of their favorites, but I guess it's more common than not. By continuing to buy promotional copies of commercial product you're supporting as business that does not support the artist. Sure the big bad record company has got flaws...but Liz Phair does have to recoup advances that they provide to her. Have you ever worked for a company that pays you in a loan? It's a tough business and buy helping "Scalpers" of promotional albums you're only hurting the artist and ultimately your pocketbook. Even getting a free copy of a promo album burned is better than paying for it. At least no money is going to someone who has no legal right whatsoever to sell the product. But it's all ok right. I mean you bought the one copy from a legitimate source so Liz (or any other artist) is halfway compensated for her work. She'll only have to raise ticket and t-shirt prices by half as much to cover her advance. Unless Liz (or any other artist) has an AMAZING contract (i.e. is able to sell in Led Zeppelin numbers) she's paying for those promo pressings as well. Whether or not it's fair for the record company to do this, she willingly signed the contract. Support artists. You're not showing the big bad record company a damn thing by cheating Liz from money. If she can't sell enough, they can always drop her as a tax write off. - -----Original Message----- From: "INMAN, DAVID B" To: "'Jeffrey Gray'" , "J. Alan Doak" , support-system@smoe.org Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 09:38:38 -0600 Subject: RE: "Happy Tragic Thing" PROMO!!!!!! > I gotta pipe in on this one - I'll buy whatever music I can commercial > or not by an artist - HOWEVER I ALWAYS purchase the commercial product > as well. > > Funny, it's usually the non-commercial stuff that gets me hooked on the > artist... > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeffrey Gray [mailto:jeffrey@bugmusic.com] > Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 9:19 AM > To: J. Alan Doak; support-system@smoe.org > Subject: RE: "Happy Tragic Thing" PROMO!!!!!! > > > Just so you can justify your position on paying for album advances: > Paying money for advanced copies is a FEDERAL offense and punishable as > such. It's not anyone's property to sell but the copyright holder's. > Blah Blah blah you're a fan and need your fix and you love Liz sure. > But > you're only directly taking money from her pockets and putting it into > some random asshole's who got the copy FREE as a courtesy. Do you > wonder > why record companies can justify charging exorbant fees? You're sure as > hell helping them justify the costs more than you're fighting them > back. > I hope you're happy hypocrit. "I dont believe in sharing songs that > will > be commercially available". Right, you dont but the record company > seems > to want to share it for free with persons. You're just willing to pay > someone for their free copy. > Here I am at work making sure our artists get every penny they > deserve coming to them in an extremely fair and amazing company. You > better damn well believe I'm going to get ticked when I see people > buying > and selling promotional copies that artists give us to distribute for > advertising. To clarify Liz Phair is not a bug client (but should > be)and > I do not collect monies for her in any fashion. That's her record > company/publishing's job to weed out criminals like you. > > -----Original Message----- > From: "J. Alan Doak" > To: support-system@smoe.org > Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 05:58:26 -0800 (PST) > Subject: RE: "Happy Tragic Thing" PROMO!!!!!! > > > I would like to take this opportunity to answer a > > couple e-mails I received... > > > > Well, as Charles mentioned in his e-mail, I think I > > have one of those non-official promo's coming. As a > > rule I only collect official releases but I was so > > excited that the mouse was clicking away on the buy > > buttons faster than my brain was digesting the > > situation. > > > > OK. I'm so starved for new Liz, that at this point, I > > probably would have bought it anyway. > > > > When I get it, I'll list the tracks on my copy to > > compare with what other people have found, and whether > > it's a CDR copy or official. I'm not holding my > > breath on the official-ness. I'll post my own reviews > > of each song, but you'll have to take that with a > > grain of salt. After following this list for a number > > of years, I've determined that I like Liz's music for > > different reasons than the majority of the members. > > > > I'm not going to copy and distribute the songs. I > > don't believe in sharing copies of songs that are or > > will be commercially available. Even though I have a > > lot of heartburn with the music industry, I have > > enough respect for the artists themselves not to > > distribute their commercially available music. > > > > j. > > > > ===== > > This "Ad" belongs to me - J. Alan Doak > > Visit my website: http://www.its-official.com > > > > The following "Ad" belongs to somebody else, > > and may not be endorsed by me. -j. > > Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your > desktop! > > http://platinum.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 22:04:25 -0500 From: fallout@purdue.edu Subject: First times all around Yeah, so was Lars' little rant the first time anyone has accused another person here of committing a crime? How precedental. ------------------------------ End of support-system-digest V6 #72 ***********************************