From: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org (support-system-digest) To: support-system-digest@smoe.org Subject: support-system-digest V6 #38 Reply-To: support-system@smoe.org Sender: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk support-system-digest Sunday, February 16 2003 Volume 06 : Number 038 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: support-system-digest V6 #37 [Talula0474@aol.com] Re: support-system-digest V6 #37 [robert joyner ] Re: face to face to what? [fallout@purdue.edu] the Liz interview part 4 [Kenneth Lee ] Canary/Beth Orton/Pastels and Ivy [s.fried@ugrad.unimelb.edu.au] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 12:01:46 -0500 From: Talula0474@aol.com Subject: Re: support-system-digest V6 #37 Tori Amos sang Songbird in Wallingford, CT, this Fall, to commemorate the death of Kevyn Aucoin. One I'd never heard of. Just her and piano. Alice ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 09:59:10 -0800 (PST) From: robert joyner Subject: Re: support-system-digest V6 #37 - --- Talula0474@aol.com wrote: > Tori Amos sang Songbird in Wallingford, CT, this > Fall, to commemorate the death of Kevyn Aucoin. One > I'd never heard of. Just her and piano. > > Alice not to mention the British band it's okay to like, Coldplay, covered Songbird at one of their NYC Fall 2002 shows. there is an mp3 of this floating around on winmx and kazaa. with Courtney and Liam collaborating, it should be interesting (and headline-worthy) at the very least. being a fan of both hole and oasis, i'll have to snag a copy of that when it hits the stores. robert Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 00:31:21 -0500 From: fallout@purdue.edu Subject: Re: face to face to what? I didn't mean you personally were juvenile, but the interpretation of the song that you presentedwas one step short of the songs enlightenment. To me. Please do not call me dude. There is a maturity in the song that you are receiving. I think. You cut me down good with my misquote of a lyric. I still respect the song on a deeper, more mature level than you, and that burns you up inside. But let's not fight. I wasn't saying you were wrong, just that there's more going on. A song about a girl living with a guy and her pinpointing of "the interface between sexual and social identity" (which is not an applicable phrase at all) only entails her lame sitori of the shit state of the world is juvenile. It's high school poetry. It's purple and shit. It appeals to you when your young and you believe you suffer and you where black. It's ghetto existentialism. I want to think more of the song than that. When you see the shit state of the world, but move on to find the subtle humor and nuance within the shit state of the world, you smirk. You're enlightened. You getting a rare, conscious view of life. jeremy ps - don't reply. > > Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 23:45:19 -0800 > From: "dana p." > Subject: face the face > > "juvenile"?? dude.... please. i'm blathering on and on about how she's > nailed a profound "face yourself" moment, probably the biggest one all of > us make at one time or another, 'cause she's pinpointed the interface > between sexual and social identity, and that insight is "juvenile"? now > that is truly hilarious. i'm not sure how a person "smirks" his or her > way through something like that..... but what do i know? my life's been a > giant bowl of..... ba dum bump. and--yo!--at least i know she's > talking about her molly, not a prop from "spartacus." yeah...... dp ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 21:54:18 -0800 From: Kenneth Lee Subject: the Liz interview part 4 Hi all, Continuing with the interview, this was my favorite of Liz's answers. It's not the part about Sundance but her mention of her days in San Francisco... Ken: How did you get involved in the January 21st gathering at Sundance? Liz: Which brings me to Sundance. Brian Young at Untitled (acting managers) set me up with the HBO show. I was the entertainment at the Creative Coalition's event honoring Colin Callendar, president of HBO film. It was very impressive to see the montage they played to give the audience an idea of the breadth of his work. Basically every project was one I'd either seen myself or wanted to see and there were like a million of them. The party was held in this tight little carpeted tent, very swish for a tent, and very space age, somehow, in a moveable feast kind of way. All sorts of luminaries showed up for Colin and lots of old friends I haven't seen for me. It was a heady mix, and I say that with an English accent. My long lost friend Nora Maccoby came. She and I were really close friends, living in a loft in SOMA, San Fransisco, right after we graduated Oberlin. (By the way, one of our other loftmates was Charles Wurmfeld, director of Kissing Jessica Stein). Oh my god. The stories from that time could go on for days, and if I wrote them all down it would make an excellent movie. Nora was at Sundance because she wrote the film Buffalo Soldiers, which had quite a buzz and at the screening some woman threw a bottle at Anna Paquin's head for acting somehow too well for this woman to understand it was a movie. Anna was at my show, too. Nora was the reason, way back when, that Chris Brokaw came to SF to visit us at our loft and subsequently charmed me into playing all my secret songs for him while Nora went AWOL during his stay. I guess something went wrong with their love connection. Anyway, good thing because that's when Chris Brokaw dared me to put my songs on tape and send it to him. So you see, without Nora, there would be no Chris. And without Chris, there would be no girlysound. And without Chris and Tae Won Yu making dubs, and me, a reputation, you would not be reading this exhaustive rumination at all. Funny. Long answer to a short question: Why am I getting into film? Because I've always been around it, long before music, back when I was an art major in college, and I think my connection to the visual arts was a big part of what made my music different and special, and I want to get that back. Any way. Sundance. I cannot believe all the free shit actors get. SCHWAG! SCHWING! I won't even tell you what I mean, it'll make you too mad. Have you ever been in the bonus bean room in the Harry Potter Chamber of Secrets computer game? The conclusion tomorrow. - -Ken kenmlee@ix.netcom.com MeSmErIzInG - AnOtHeR LiZ PhAiR WeBsItE http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Club/2471/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 16:54:32 +1100 From: s.fried@ugrad.unimelb.edu.au Subject: Canary/Beth Orton/Pastels and Ivy >> "juvenile"?? dude.... please. i'm blathering on and on about how she's > nailed a profound "face yourself" moment, probably the biggest one all of > us make at one time or another, 'cause she's pinpointed the interface > between sexual and social identity, and that insight is "juvenile"? now > that is truly hilarious. i'm not sure how a person "smirks" his or her > way through something like that..... but what do i know? my life's been a > giant bowl of..... ba dum bump. and--yo!--at least i know she's > talking about her molly, not a prop from "spartacus." yeah...... dp>> Have to say dp that I totally agree with your analysis of Canary, it's always struck me as feminine mystique-esque, reminds me of this Liz quote: "Men would prefer to ignore womens complications, because its a natural instinct to ignore any complications that arent your own. For women that grew up being male-fixated, its long been appealing to keep it to yourself and make sure honeys happy. I dont think you can unravel that in thirty years. You cant unravel millennia in thirty years." Speaking of the Feminine Mystique, has anyone seen the Hours? Is it worth seeing? Saw Beth Orton Thursday night and she was absolutely BRILLANT!!! She played 20 songs, including all the songs of Daybreaker (Carmella being a highlight) and did 3 encores. Was fortunate enough to meet her afterwards, got her to sign my ticket and got a photo with her, woohoo! Only downpoints were when some idiot yelled out after the first song that he had paid $55 for this "crap" and when another idiot yelled out "take your top off", can't believe guys still do that at gigs, wankers. Has anyone ever been at a Liz concert when a guy's yelled out that? What did she say? Or did she just ignore it? Also, is anyone here into the Pastels or Ivy? I've just borrowed Mobile Safari and Apartment Life and quite liked both of them. Seeya, Sally "And why is it charming pretending I'm younger than my years?" Lush ------------------------------ End of support-system-digest V6 #38 ***********************************