From: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org (support-system-digest) To: support-system-digest@smoe.org Subject: support-system-digest V5 #263 Reply-To: support-system@smoe.org Sender: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk support-system-digest Tuesday, December 17 2002 Volume 05 : Number 263 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Top 10 of 2002 [DCLinPA100@aol.com] Re: support-system-digest V5 #262 [TippCity@aol.com] top 10 ["itsmyvoodoo workin" ] Rasputina [SHERLY McLACHLAN ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 01:40:40 EST From: DCLinPA100@aol.com Subject: Top 10 of 2002 I haven't seen anyone mention it yet, but one of my favorites from this year is Bryan Ferry's "Frantic". ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 10:00:05 EST From: TippCity@aol.com Subject: Re: support-system-digest V5 #262 In a message dated 12/16/02 1:16:28 AM Eastern Standard Time, owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org writes: << sorry, but i doubt that--WHAT controversy? a small handful of Internet fans saying they are scared that she's selling out? i don't think that's much of a controversy >> I don't know, I think the major problem is that I just don't like Liz's new kind of music. I always though of Liz as punk -- and thought that was the general census among her fans. Someone said that "Take a look" has a lot in common with the structure of "Never Said" and I disagree with that completely. The repetition of lyrics of "Never Said" is done for a very specific purpose . . . it kind of always reminded me of Minor Threat in a way. The repetitiveness builds and builds as though she is actually accusing the listening. It's very powerful, and in my mind the only true "punk" song of the 90's. Song after song on her first two albums do much of the same thing. "Fuck and Run" is extremely strange song structure. The song builds and builds and we never know where it is going and then finally it just ends. Absolutely fucking brilliant. She does the same thing on Whip Smart in both Shane and Nashville. These songs build and build, and the tension is almost unbearable -- and then once you can't stand it any longer she finally blurts it out "You gotta have fear in your heart" and "I won't decorate my love." There is a firm connectedness in these songs that WCSE just doesn't have. And on both "Down" and "Take a Look" there's a passiveness that turns the listener into an onlooker. Everything is very easy on the ears and it feels like I'm on the outside peering into her life, instead of sitting right next to her. Anyway, I have nothing against mainstreams music, as long as I have an alternative, but right now there is none. I find bands like Wilco and The Dixie Chicks to be nails on a chalkboard. Sonic Youth is still the only band who constantly puts out experimental music. I'm not saying there is anything wrong with people liking Wilco or The Dixie Chicks in the same way that I see nothing wrong with people hating the music I have passion for . . . like The Pixies and Mission of Burma and . . . Liz Phair. I have such a beautiful picture of Liz Phair on my computer right now and I can't help but think of her sitting on the edge of my bed singing to me with a wobbly voice "I won't Decorate My Love." I don't mean to offend anyone . . . but Liz has meant everything to me musically over the past 10 years and I just can't help the really intense feelings I have for her music. Maybe the next album with be brilliant . . . who knows? But I'll be damned if I'm going to sit back passively and watch her shut me out of her music. james ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 12:24:41 -0700 From: "itsmyvoodoo workin" Subject: top 10 thanks for finally putting rasputina and tori in there. i'm really diggin the moistboyz and what about tomahawk, ooooh and the flying frog brigade!!! you gotta check them out. but only if you have a broad sense of humor and an eclectic ear. otherwise you may be offended and scared... ttfn aloha e.Gonzo p.s. don't forget the white stripes. _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 15:43:32 -0800 (PST) From: SHERLY McLACHLAN Subject: Rasputina Hey Everyone, I've seen the band Rasputina mentioned on here lately. What are they all about? Are they heavy like Veruca Salt and L7 or kind of punkish like Sleater Kinney? Later SMc Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now ------------------------------ End of support-system-digest V5 #263 ************************************