From: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org (support-system-digest) To: support-system-digest@smoe.org Subject: support-system-digest V5 #257 Reply-To: support-system@smoe.org Sender: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk support-system-digest Tuesday, December 10 2002 Volume 05 : Number 257 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Upping The Ante. 20 Songs of 2002 [ReallyHip@aol.com] Bounced message [owner-support-system@smoe.org (by way of Jase ] Cherish [Jase ] Top 2 of my Top 10 ["trent \[carbon made\]" ] 20 tunes [RbSayre@aol.com] Wilco, Respond Project benefit CDs [Steve Rhodes ] Re: top ten/twenty songs ["Stacy Konkiel" ] re: uping the ante best of 2002 ["kimberly ann" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 01:26:44 -0500 From: ReallyHip@aol.com Subject: Upping The Ante. 20 Songs of 2002 Name your favorite two songs off of each of the albums you listed for your top ten of 2002. 1. I Can't See New York, Carbon - Scarlet's Walk - Tori Amos 2. Ghost, All Or None - Riot Act - Pearl Jam 3. London, Too Alive - Title TK - The Breeders 4. Clocks, Warning Sign - Rush Of Blood To The Head - Coldplay 5. A Better Future, Slip Away - Heathen - David Bowie 6. Burn Away, Come Back - One By One - Foo Fighters 7. Keep Fishin', Space Rock - Maladroit - Weezer 8. Don't Know Why, Shoot The Moon - Come Away With Me - Norah Jones 9. She Says, Slow Down - Australia - Howie Day 10.Worlds Apart, The Rising - The Rising - Bruce Springsteen - -Michael ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 01:36:14 -0500 From: owner-support-system@smoe.org (by way of Jase ) Subject: Bounced message From: "cheddarcat" Subject: that's the way i like it she did that song live on squirt TV, you know that show i think on mtv with that 12 year old kid inhis bedroom [or a studio set that looked like his bedroom i guess]? i've seen a video of it, too, really great. > Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2002 22:28:28 -0600 > From: "Mark McFly-er" > Subject: Take a Look, etc. > > Well, it was nice...to hear Liz's voice loud and clear (chorus aside) in a > new song. That's...mostly it. I really liked the first verse, especially > the tail end...but the rest sorta made me want to cry. I missed "Down" > actually. "Down" and "Take a Look" have almost identical structures...but > for some reason in "Down" (while by no means a model of perfection) the > structure worked, whereas in "Take a Look" it just made everything after the > first verse feel extremely unnecessary...like its only purpose was to fill > out the remaining three minutes so it would qualify as an actual song or > whatever. It got really obnoxious. I'm pretty sure this is the only Liz > song that I don't enjoy listening to at all. I've only listened to it a few > times, but...yeah. It's just...not even her. So, so bland. First verse > aside, this could be Jennifer Love Hewitt. I love Liz, and if her entire > album were filled with even lesser songs, I would still probably wear out my > copy, but...really. At least we can probably look forward to a studio > version of "Firewalker"...? I...liked "Firewalker"...a lot...like...in that > "Poleyester Bride", > it's-not-why-I-love-Liz-Phair-but-it's-still-a-really-well-written-and-extre mely-catchy-pop-song > kinda way. Or maybe songs like "Firewalker" are why I love Liz Phair. I > don't know. I'm confusing myself. She's not going to make another > Whip-Smart, but if she can make a fun, catchy "Soak up the Sun"-ish pop cd > (better than C'mon, C'mon), I'd be more than satisfied. At least the slower > songs should be ok. I think it'd be hard to overproduce "That's the Way I > Like It"...or...weird example, but...yeah. Oh!...but "That's the Way I Like > It" is the perfect example of why I love Liz Phair. It's by no means my > favorite Liz song, but...yeah...just the feel of it. What's the story > behing "That's the Way I Like It" by the way? Because...I just downloaded > it off Kazaa or WinMX or whatever I was using at the time (I've only been a > Liz fan for about two years, so I didn't get into the unreleased stuff until > around this time last year)...and it was labeled as a cover so I had only > really listened to it recently...but...yeah...I'm curious to know what it's > from...why she was singing it. Like...because...it's not a concert...and it > wasn't a WCSE reject and it doesn't sound like it was recorded in a studio. > It sounds almost like she just made it up on the spot on some talk show or > something. And...I've been rambling for quite some time > now...but...yeah...anyway...can someone tell me about this...because I'm > curious...and I KNOW YOU KNOW. > ...? > > I'm done. > > I'll still be more than estatic when Liz sets a date for the new album. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 02:02:20 -0500 From: Jase Subject: Re: Upping The Ante. 20 Songs of 2002 Michael wrote: >Name your favorite two songs off of each of the albums you listed for your >top ten of 2002. Like I didn't have a hard enough time just coming up with my list of ten albums... ;) 01. "Step Aside," "Oh!" - Sleater-Kinney 02. "The Young Crazed Peeling," "City of Angels" - The Distillers 03. "Look a Ghost in the Eye," "Blood Tree" - Mary Timony 04. "I am Trying to Break Your Heart," "Jesus, etc." - Wilco 05. "Forced to Drive," "Too Alive" - The Breeders 06. "Rain on Tin," "Disconnection Notice" - Sonic Youth 07. "Relative Ways," "Another Morning Stoner" - Trail of Dead 08. "Pavlov's Bell," "Lost in Space" - Aimee Mann 09. "Bang," "Mystery Girl" - Yeah Yeah Yeahs 10. "Fight Test," "Do You Realize??" - The Flaming Lips Cheers, Jase NP: The Distillers, "The Young Crazed Peeling" (From one article I recently read about the band: "The whiskeyed snarl evokes Mia Zapata and Courtney Love. The anthemic guitar riff brings to mind Prison Bound-era Social Distortion. It's the Distillers' "The Young Crazed Peeling," easily the best rock single since Seattle went ka-bang in 1994." Perhaps that sort of praise is a little over the top, but it's easy to forget any reservations while you're listening to the song.) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 06:09:49 -0500 From: Jase Subject: Cherish Hey everyone, Just a quick reminder that Cherish is supposed to be out on video and DVD tomorrow (Dec. 10). Shortest post ever, Jase ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 05:50:33 -0800 (PST) From: "trent \[carbon made\]" Subject: Top 2 of my Top 10 01. Tori Amos  Scarlet's Walk - "Carbon" & "Strange" 02. Alec Empire  Intelligence + Sacrifice - "Addicted To You" & "Everything Starts With A Fuck" 03. Kylie Minogue  Fever (U.S. edition) - "Can't Get You Out Of My Head" & "Love At First Sight" 04. Frou Frou  Details - "Shh" & "Let Go" 05. Nine Inch Nails  And All That Could Have Been - "The Great Below (live)" & "Starfuckers, Inc. (live)" 06. Andrew W.K.  I Get Wet - "Ready To Die" & "Party Hard" 07. The Breeders  Title TK - "T and T" & "Huffer" 08. W.I.T.  Advance - "Ooh I Like It" & "It Kills" 09. Chantal Kreviazuk  What If It All Means Something? - "In This Life" & "Julia" 10. No Doubt  Rock Steady - "Hella Good" & "In My Head" ===== "Blade to ice it's Double Diamond time and keep your eyes on her... on her eyes on her horizon" Tori Amos - Carbon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 10:28:21 EST From: RbSayre@aol.com Subject: 20 tunes the songs that got stuck on repeat play this year.... 1. "election night" -bic runga/beautiful collision 2. "makin' pies" -patty griffin/1,000 kisses 3. "walk through the fire" -buffy:once more, with feeling 4. "shining light" -ash/free all angels 5. "chady saves the day" -kay hanley/cherry marmalade 6. "not the same" -ben folds live 7. "deconstruction of love" -indigo girls/become you 8. "what becomes of the broken-hearted?" -standing in the shadows of motown 9. "waste the day" -heather nova/south 10. "the moth" -aimee mann/lost in space 11. "top of the world" -dixie chicks/home 12. "a million tears" -kasey chambers/barricades & brickwalls 13. "see, i'm smiling" -sherie rene scott/last 5 years 14. "shift" -jennifer nettles band/gravity:drag me down 15. "pounding" -doves/the last broadcast 16. "clocks" -coldplay/a rush of blood to the head (how much does chris martin remind you of Sting on this song??) 17. "the storm" -tanya donelly/beautysleep 18. "something to talk about" -badly drawn boy/about a boy 19. "water" -the roots/phrenology 20. "hanging around the day" -the polyphonic spree/beginning stages of... ok so i sorta bent the rules. there were many more excellent tracks than excellent albums....... rick (still) listening to jennifer nettles band/gravity:drag me down if i abstain from fun & such, i'll probably amount to much; but i shall stay the way i am, because i do not give a damn. -dorothy parker let's face it, kids... rick's homepage oy, with the poodles already! -lorelai gilmore ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 12:29:05 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Rhodes Subject: Wilco, Respond Project benefit CDs The DVD of the Wilco documentary will have a lot of additional material including 20 complete songs. The tentative release date is Feb. 18th. More details at http://www.wilcofilm.com The new DVD company that is doing it is releasing a bunch of other interesting stuff including Benjamin Smoke on Jan. 21st http://plexifilm.com This is from the Kill Rock Stars email newsletter: Respond II is a compilation to benefit RESPOND Incorporated and the Family Violence Prevention Fund. RESPOND, Inc. was one of the first programs in the United States to offer shelter and assistance to victims of domestic violence. The Family Violence Prevention Fund (FVPF) is the nation's premiere organization working to prevent abuse. The Respond II CD is a compilation of women bands and solo artists, including Sleater-Kinney, plus Joan Baez, Indigo Girls, Aimee Mann, Ani DiFranco, Kristin Hersh, Tanya Donelly, Suzanne Vega, Neko Case, Dolly Parton and many more on a 2CD set. The proceeds from this release will go to nonprofit organizations fighting domestic violence. This CD is available all over the place in January, but you can buy online now: http://www.respondproject.org ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 16:37:35 -0500 From: "Stacy Konkiel" Subject: Re: top ten/twenty songs 1. sahara hotnights/jennie bomb: alright alright! [here's my fist where's the fight?], on top of your world 2. the donnas/spend the night: pass it around, take it off 3. the pixies/doolittle: hey, crackity jones 4. modest mouse/the lonesome, crowded west: styrofoam boots, trailer trash 5. sleater-kinney/one beat: light rail coyote, step aside 6. the breeders/title tk: the she, son of three 7. le tigre/s/t & feminist sweepstakes: FYR, well well well, deceptacon, my my metrocard 8. bikini kill/the first two lps: carnival, double dare ya I just realised that its funny I should now cite the bikini kill cd on my top 8 list...cos when I first joined this list, I posted that liz must feel shiested with alanis taking up the spotlight in the mid-90's, as she had much more musical credibility. then someone smugly pointed out that riot grrrl and bikini kill, specifically, were telling people to "suck their left ones" way before liz got a record deal, and brought in the issue of INDIE CRED...and my head promptly exploded. I took it as an offense back then [probably a good 3 years ago], but now I've come to realise that even as pompous and indier-than-thou as this list can be, I've discovered so many good bands from it [quite a few of which are in my list above]. so...thanks, I guess. that's my piece, back into lurkerdom. xoxostacy _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 19:15:46 -0500 From: "kimberly ann" Subject: re: uping the ante best of 2002 here's my list 1. "curbside prophet" "absolutely zero" - jason mraz - curbside prophet 2. "secret" "mornging after" - howie day - australia (awesome choice to whoever mention it before i could 3. "seven years" "turn me on" - norah jones - come away with me 4. "get over it" "your so damn hot" - ok go 5. "quiet" "back to you" - john mayer - inside wants out 6. "big eyed fish" "where are you going" - dmb - busted stuff 7. "algebra" "i can buy you" - a camp(solo project from cardigans singer nina persson) 8. "someday" "trying my luck" - the strokes - is this is? 9. "safe and sound" "abilene" - sheryl crow - c'mon c'mon 10. "home" "traveling solider" - dixie chicks - home and commentarty. 1.& 2. everyone should buy these two albums because they prove that there are some great singer songwriters out there today. 3. wow i just love her voice, so talented, and so wonderful to listen to. 4. so much fun. 5. a reminder that john mayer is not for preteens 6. dmb at their best, a faith restorer after everyday. 7. wonderful quirky record. 8. great to here people just rocking out there. 9. not her best album but those two songs make it worth it for me. if liz's next album sounds like this and has only 2 great songs on it like this i would be ok. 10. no one can do it better. honorable mentions: i found out about guster this year and im getting some of their cds for christmas. the mooney suzuki whose album i have yet to buy but i am just in love with them after seeing them open for the strokes. the donnas whose cd im getting for christmas as well and i want to give recognition to lisa loeb for coming back from oblivion, im going to pick up the album when i get paid. as for take a look, its good, not awesome, but im so pleased to hear liz's voice, and she is still doing it better than anyone else out there. thats long but i deserve it i never post kim _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 19:30:27 -0800 (PST) From: Kate Stewart Subject: [none] Somebody wanted to know about the cable company that gave out the promo cd.... I found this site that explains it was given out on the weekend of Nov 1-3 at Gateway stores by Cox High Speed Internet in Oklahoma, of all places. Anyway, here's the site- http://www.cox.com/okc/CoxHighSpeedInternet/MTV.asp Kate Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of support-system-digest V5 #257 ************************************