From: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org (support-system-digest) To: support-system-digest@smoe.org Subject: support-system-digest V5 #248 Reply-To: support-system@smoe.org Sender: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk support-system-digest Sunday, December 1 2002 Volume 05 : Number 248 Today's Subjects: ----------------- "take-a-fuckin'-look-at-thisss..." ["dana p." ] Take A Look [Craig King ] OT: Lisa Loeb [Easter ] the new song [Athiena00@aol.com] Re: OT: Lisa Loeb [AWeiss4338@aol.com] Take a Look [Kate Stewart ] new liz song [LilRussianGirl@aol.com] Re: new liz song [Jase ] initial "Take A Look" review ["Chris DeLisle" ] mp3 help [LilRussianGirl@aol.com] taking a look [Dan MacDonald ] Re: support-system-digest V5 #247 ["overpavement" Subject: "take-a-fuckin'-look-at-thisss..." [HA! trivia: What movie is my header from? (hint: it even has to do with chicago....and david mamet wrote it, if you can even believe that.)] anyway, hey--i don't hate it. i think she achieved her goals. 'cause, look, we've all known for awhile now she wants to be skipper to sheryl's barbie. why, i dunno, but this is what we're dealing with now. i like the car-crash metaphor; it's just this side of "gettable" for the throngs. and i really do like the harmonic choruses; they're fun. i really hope she's soloing that guitar, otherwise i'll be pissed. but if this is the big single--and the rest are just filler songs--i'll wait for this CD to show up in the used bin.... it's weird to see someone so unique pursue radio-friendly "normalcy" so aggressively, but, hey, it ain't my life.... (hmmm, what would kant do?? i know--who cares.) lay-tah, dp ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 06:27:57 -0800 (PST) From: Craig King Subject: Take A Look Man, I really hope this new song is not representative of the entire new album. This sounds less like Liz than WCSE did. Way too slick on the production. The song isn't necessarily bad, just not very inspiring. I'm very disappointed. At least Down SOUNDED like Liz. It doesn't even sound like she played any guitar on this new song. If she does, I certainly can't hear her style. I hope she does on the other tracks on the new album. 4 1/2 years for this? :( Maybe it'll grow on me, but I hope better material is on the horizon. Craig Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 08:32:45 -0800 (PST) From: Easter Subject: OT: Lisa Loeb Any suggestions/comments on Lisa's newest releases Hello Lisa and Cake & Pie? I saw both when I was at Best Buy yesterday and was clueless as to which to get. Here's a possible topic we could discuss. Besides the fact that it's a "foreign country," why are Canadian releases considered Imports? Grrr..I have to order from a Canadian online store cuz I'm too impatient to wait for Chantal Kreviazuk's cd to come out here. Hello! Canada is right next door! Oh well, a wave to all. Spaceeggy Katie ();) ===== ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ "My love belongs to who can see it." George Harrison ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 11:40:28 -0500 From: Athiena00@aol.com Subject: the new song HURRAH!!! atleast it is something. atleast we know that she is working afterall. yes. it does sound over-produced. oh well. athiena ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 13:09:38 EST From: AWeiss4338@aol.com Subject: Re: OT: Lisa Loeb In a message dated 11/30/2002 11:34:06 AM Eastern Standard Time, wcseliz@yahoo.com writes: > Any suggestions/comments on Lisa's newest releases > Hello Lisa and Cake & Pie? I saw both when I was at > Best Buy yesterday and was clueless as to which to > get. > Well it's practily the same album. Sadly enough, this story has become all too common, Cake & Pie was basically dumped on the market by A&M, and Lisa, according to what she said on her site, didn't like how the label didn't want to promote it or have her tour behind it as much as she liked. I suspect this was an understement, she apparently bought the album from A&M, and re-released it, with a few songs changed, including sequence of songs, as Hello Lisa on a new label Atremis. I have both as their both good. However, i think the new songs on HL are better then what was on C&P, so I would get Hello Lisa. More on lisaloeb.com Andrea ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 11:07:01 -0800 (PST) From: Kate Stewart Subject: Take a Look "Want to know all the details of my disaster like an accident on the side of the road..." Wow, I didn't think she would directly address her recent career moves in a song. Yep, disaster indeed. Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 14:13:20 EST From: LilRussianGirl@aol.com Subject: new liz song 
I haven't heard it yet, but if it's that bad should we hope it's a hoax and 
not really her?  Are we sure it's really Liz singing?

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Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 14:38:34 -0500
From: Jase 
Subject: Re: new liz song

LilRussianGirl@aol.com wrote:
>I haven't heard it yet, but if it's that bad should we hope it's a hoax and
>not really her?  Are we sure it's really Liz singing?

It's definitely Liz singing. I'd recognize her voice anywhere.

I'm not sure what to make of it myself. I'm hoping she's taking the Aimee 
Mann approach here. Back when Aimee was still signed to Geffen/Interscope 
and was having serious problems with the label, she had said, "I've had 
this revelation about singles. I've suddenly realized that if I have one 
song that they think is a single, they really don't care about the rest of 
the record. Then I can make the rest of the record good. This is my new 
philosophy -- I actually want to be a one-hit wonder. It's only to my benefit."

Now that Liz is signed to a major and is expected to "move units," let's 
hope she's taking the above approach and that the whole album isn't going 
to sound like this.

Capitol seems to be trying to get her to jump on every hot trend, though -- 
write with this hit doctor, hire this hot production team... "Take a Look" 
sounds so generic, it could have been by just about anyone. I'd rather see 
Liz allowed to be herself.

I mean, what's next? Say, for example, if the Distillers become as popular 
as I hope they do, is Capitol going to ask Liz to start sporting liberty 
spikes and a lip ring?

Say what you will about Matador, but I doubt Liz would have ever worked 
with the Matrix if she was still signed with them.


Jase

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Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 16:09:44 -0500
From: "Chris DeLisle" 
Subject: initial "Take A Look" review

i disagree with those aren't impressed with the song.  now, perhaps it's
because i'm on such a Liz-jones that any crumb will do, but i think it's an
interesting extension from "Down."  i think, like with every Liz song, there
is some hook or phrase or musical aspect that's highly enjoyable.  it's not
"Shatter" or "Divorce Song," but then again, what else is?

with the themes from the two songs so tightly similar, it makes me wonder if
this new album will be Liz's "Blood On The Tracks."  before anyone begins to
argue, i don't mean to expect it to be one of the most essential albums ever
created (like Dylan's "Blood" or Liz's "EIG"), but rather "the breakup album"
where she opens up her veins (and anyone else's who are around) and lets it
bleed for a while.

Dylan couldn't understand at the time how so many people could take such joy
from such a painful album.  that sounds exactly like the message from this
song.  not that we're taking joy from it, per se, but that we can't help but
watch someone go down and be interested in it.

chris deLisle

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Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 16:37:11 EST
From: LilRussianGirl@aol.com
Subject: mp3 help

A while ago someone posted a link for the singing dictionary version of fuck 
and run.  It was great, but it seems to have been deleted from my computer 
somehow (you know *I* did not do this!)  Can anyone give me that link again 
or email me the mp3?  It would be most appreciated! =)  Thank you, thank you, 
thank you!

Also - I kind of like the new song.  I have accepted that we'll never have 
another Exile, or even another Whip Smart.  It's not too bad, but I would 
have liked more lyrics other than the "Take a Look" over and over and over 
and over again.

Please don't hold this against me if you disagree and can point me to the 
singing dictionary song.  (Just kidding!)  Thanks!

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Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 16:38:27 -0500
From: Dan MacDonald 
Subject: taking a look

i don't mind the new song. a little repetitive but i don't mind it. it 
reminds me a bit of Polyester Bride...i especially like the "what if i'm 
not able to put my cards on the table..and would it liberate you if you 
knew what i knew....it's been over a year now and i never saw him again..etc.."
i think that's almost classic liz in a way...i don't know..it's just new 
and different than some of her stuff we're used to...my interest was 
peaked...i thought it was gonna be a lot worse...it's no worse than "love 
is nothing" or "greased lightening" or "headache", in my opinion.
it's cute...and it's true..we were all wondering "ohmygod did she get a 
divorce? what happened? did he cheat? did she cheat? she's not married? 
they broke up?"
we all wanted to 'take a look'....
hahahha wooo she's "SOOOOOOOOOO deep"...
hahahahaha
cute song though,
dan

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Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 18:36:17 -0500
From: "overpavement" 
Subject: Re: support-system-digest V5 #247

michael wrote:
> I recieved an email from someone last night that contained a link to an
mp3
> file called "Take A Look", by Liz of course.
>
> They said that it's from a few promo cd's issued by Capitol within the
past
> month or so.  I haven't gotten all the details yet, but they said it's
> listed as being "from the forthcoming album" by Liz Phair.

well, thanks for posting this.  the song is not very good, and --
surprisingly -- very generically and poorly produced with a *very* lame
guitar break.  i don't want to engage in piling on here, but i think we've
all been uneasy and skeptical about what liz (or, more to the point,
capitol) would release, and this confirms many of the worst suspicions.
hoping the rest of the record is better, but there's no indication that it
will be.  i will say, i sort of like the bridge in this song, but in a very
uninvolved sort of way.  like if i think a chord change is handled well in
an otherwise dismal faith hill song.  i mean, there's almost always
*something* to like in almost every song.  so i'll give it that.  but
there's no point wasting anymore typing on it.

o

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Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 20:18:35 EST
From: AWeiss4338@aol.com
Subject: Re: taking a look

In a message dated 11/30/02 4:43:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, danmac@Mnsi.net 
writes:


> i don't mind the new song. a little repetitive but i don't mind it. it 
> reminds me a bit of Polyester Bride...i especially like the "what if i'm 
> not able to put my cards on the table..and would it liberate you if you 
> knew what i knew....it's been over a year now and i never saw him 
> again..etc.."
> i think that's almost classic liz in a way...i don't know..it's just new 
> and different than some of her stuff we're used to...my interest was 
> peaked...i thought it was gonna be a lot worse...it's no worse than "love 
> is nothing" or "greased lightening" or "headache", in my opinion.
> it's cute...and it's true..we were all wondering "ohmygod did she get a 
> divorce? what happened? did he cheat? did she cheat? she's not married? 
> they broke up?"
> we all wanted to 'take a look'....
> hahahha wooo she's "SOOOOOOOOOO deep"...
> hahahahaha
> 

Neither do I. In fact I like Take A Look very much. It sounds like a natural 
progression from anything on WCSE, and frankly, this probably is going to be 
Liz as we'll have to hear her. I don't think this song is her selling out at 
all. It's a good pop song, and really I want her to have a hit. Why, because 
she's too good to ignore, and i want everyone to know about her. And I'd 
rather have her have a hit and show, Branch, Carilton, Levine how it's really 
done, writing a good song. And she may really need the money form this album. 
She's got a child to raise, maybe has alimony payments, and all kinds of 
other expenses. And everyone has got to make a living someway, and what's 
wrong from making money your art if your talented enough to be able to do 
that. I know that's the way I want it to be with my book. I'm not trying to 
flame anyone, or make anyone angry at me, but I really don't know why 
everyone is so upset.
Andrea

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