From: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org (support-system-digest) To: support-system-digest@smoe.org Subject: support-system-digest V5 #192 Reply-To: support-system@smoe.org Sender: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk support-system-digest Friday, September 27 2002 Volume 05 : Number 192 Today's Subjects: ----------------- valerie! ["sandra" ] there is someone who takes even longer than Liz [Steve Rhodes ] pissin' my pants ["dp" ] Friday in Chicago ["Allison Nack" ] Pitchfork article [Jason Tedford ] 2 Things ["Chris DeLisle" ] Re: support-system-digest V5 #191 [Stephen Griffes ] Liz Phair Determined to Make Worst Album Ever [Kenneth Lee ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 16:29:27 -0500 From: "sandra" Subject: valerie! ironically, valerie-girl, that very same show you just saw and posted about is taking place at the abbey in chicago this weekend -- but saturday night, unfortunately. john doe is featured on rhett miller's new solo album (lead singer for old 97's), fyi. sorry you have not heard from me ... i am a bad emailer since i have become a mom! have a great weekend! hope there's a hot guy at the reception buying you a gin and tonic. btw -- everyone, mp3 liz goodies will be up on my site verrrrrrrrrry soon. hear that jase? ; ) sandra ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 23:10:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Rhodes Subject: there is someone who takes even longer than Liz Old men take longer At long last, Peter Gabriel releases a new record http://salon.com/ent/music/review/2002/09/24/gabriel/index.html They have a 14 day trial download of Up at http://windowsmedia.com/mg/music.asp (through oct. 1 - though it doesn't work on my old windows 95 computer). ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 23:18:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Brett Carter Subject: portishead beth gibbons actually has a solo record coming out. actually, i think it's more of a collaboration, but it's not portishead. it's supposed to have the mood of portishead, but not the same sorta music. portishead is supposed to have something new out in 2003, but then again, they've had enough damn time to put out a record (bitter casually creeping in). michael, i don't think you could be any funnier. i am also saddened about lynn leaving imperial teen, but remian hopeful since it said 'forseeable future.' anyway, that's really it. brett ===== At this point, the length of this conversation is way out of proportion with my interest in it. New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 23:20:46 -0700 From: "dp" Subject: pissin' my pants man, oh man.... well, steve, i guess i'll see ya at the laundromat because i was really wondrin' if john doe would do some X. i'll prolly start levitating right there in front of everyone. no worries, LA crowd should dig it.... as i mentioned in a personal post to andrea, i agree that WCSE was only half-hatched. and--no kiddin', man--the demo stuff is *tons* better. honestly, i think i shoulda saved my shekels. but, again, who knows what's going on with this latest tease. it's between thinking either she's truly become a piece of corporate product or she's just f-ing lazy. 'cause, i'm sorry, if that's the deal, if capitol isn't making her life miserable after all, i can name a ton of other artists who work their asses off. and no matter the reason ("for the fans," for the money, the contract says so, blah, blah, blah), at least they're *working.* i mean, for some reason they're taking this "rock star thing" sorta seriously.... derek, i can't believe it (well, ok, i can), but i'm actually trying to imagine the particular stink of wendy.... yeeeeeks! that is some serious trauma, dude. who's nick hornby? and you gotta love a post with FOOTNOTES. HAAAHAahahaahahahahaaa.... oh yeah; yah! YAH! mmm-yah! may-bee liz and nina went shopping with cameron and drew, who skipped out on training for "charlie's angels: halo" (leaving lucy liu behind) to go bargain hunting at barney's. hollywood hissy fit!!! alrighty, dp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 08:06:38 -0500 From: "Allison Nack" Subject: Friday in Chicago valerieb@mindspring.com wrote: >i'm going to chicago for a >wedding this weekend...any good >shows friday night? Yep, you can see Kristin and friends again at the Abbey www.abbeypub.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 07:25:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Jason Tedford Subject: Pitchfork article Nice little write up on the Pitchfork site this morning. The fear is spreading...Enjoy!jasonhttp://pitchforkmedia.com/news/02-09/26.shtml New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 14:30:09 -0400 From: "Chris DeLisle" Subject: 2 Things 1) Led Zeppelin DID credit Memphis Minnie on "When The Levee Breaks." they might not have credited many people on their first 2 albums (Willie Dixon, anyone?), but they did credit Memphis Minnie. i wonder what the original sounds like... 2) with all of these Liz producers, there might be at least one thing to look forward to: a shitload of songs! now, if Liz is smart, she'll release these in some form (2-disc set?). i understand all the frustration. but the one thing i keep going back to is that virtually every song she's released (and hasn't released, officially, but is out there) is classic. a lot of this bashing may be much ado about nothing. i listened to "Juvenalia" last night and couldn't believe how great "Animal Girl" was...again. the Girlysound recordings are great. the "wcse demos" are great. what's been released is great. we would all like to be blown away by her...again...and though that might never happen, she COULD join the ranks of Elvis Costello, Tom Waits, and other songwriters who put out great shit every time out. i think the problem we're all sharing is the length of time it's taking. i could be wrong. chris deLisle ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 18:04:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Stephen Griffes Subject: Re: support-system-digest V5 #191 ECP? I think I did that drug once. > middle of a 3-night stint here and lovin' it. pick up the new album, my friend sent me setlists for those. sounds like they are doing a wonderful mix. im so jealous!!! they arent even coming here this time. Im gonna catch them in cleveland but that's it. i hope they do another leg? >>Devil's concubine, indeed. J.Ho, bleh. I'm gonna laugh when Mr. Gravity and Mr. Collagen Breakdown catch hold of her rear and drag it down. J.Ho sags way.lo, eh.<< Eyeroll. > yep. it is being released in Japan this month - and slated for a january > release here. it's called Doll Revolution (after the Elvis Costello tune) > and it really is coming out!! i am so throwing a listening party the day the new bangles album comes out. i just recently got another copy of all over the place (mine has been missing for years) and my life is complete again. wouldn't be a dream to have the bangles and gogos do a package tour next summer!? steve. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 15:56:15 -0700 From: Kenneth Lee Subject: Liz Phair Determined to Make Worst Album Ever Thanks to Steve Kisko for the link to this article over at Pitchfork (www.pitchforkmedia.com). This one's for you, Jase: ***** Thursday, September 26th, 2002 Liz Phair Determined to Make Worst Album Ever Dahlen readies alter-ego "Kate Thompson," prepares to infiltrate e-team Will Bryant reports: Perhaps irreparably dashing optimists' hopes that she might somehow rise above the Sheryl Crow collaboration, the Gap commercial, and the professed love for the |berbland alterna-schlocker Pete Yorn, Liz Phair is apparently teaming with a trendy Los Angeles-based collective called The Matrix for three tracks on her excruciatingly procrastinated major-label debut for Capitol. Now I know you're picturing a city-sized beehive of unsuspecting, soulless human drones jacked into some unholy supercomputer that will somehow synthesize Phair's return to the balls-out splendor that was Exile in Guyville, and perhaps you suspect Keanu Reeves in a leather trenchcoat is involved; I can only fervently wish that were the case. For The Matrix are actually the songwriting/production team of Scott Spock, Lauren Christy, and Graham Edwards, the soulless human drones responsible for Avril Lavigne's cutesy hits "Complicated" and "Sk8ter Boi," and whose recent clients have included Ricky Martin, Christina Aguilera, the Backstreet Boys, Nick Carter, American Idol loser A.J. McLean, and even mainstream alt-rock's noxious Phair-meets-Tori Amos hybrid, Heather Nova. If Gerard Cosloy were dead, he'd be spinning in his grave right now! Hell, Gerard, if you're reading this, give your office chair a couple of spins-- this is madness! Wherefore art thou, Brad Wood? Tae Won Yu? Can we round up enough folks for an intervention? 'Cause it's one thing for Phair to take the high road, as she apparently was last time we checked in with her-- selecting Michael Penn to produce her album, which a yellowing copy of Alternative Press in my sock drawer says was once titled An Evening with Liz Phair. At least Penn was still hot off creating the engagingly classy Bachelor No. 2 with spouse Aimee Mann. But sorry, hitching your wagon to the cheese-rock Diane Warrens of 2002 ain't gonna win you any respect in these quarters. Jeezum crow, Scott Litt is like Steve Albini next to these jokers! Man, sometimes I wish this fork had a couple extra barbs on it, cause it sure ain't fun I'd like to be poking! In the meantime, a proposed soundtrack to the Courtney Love/Lili Taylor indie stinker Julie Johnson, which was to have featured three new songs from Phair, seems to have been quashed by a lack of interest in the film and the financial troubles encountered by its now-defunct production company. Even a straight-to-video release appears distant as the film continues to make the rounds of gay- and lesbian-themed film festivals worldwide (the film casts Love and Taylor as unlikely lovers). It's karma, baby! Get Keanu on the line, there's another Matrix that needs to be taken down. ***** - -Ken kenmlee@ix.netcom.com MeSmErIzInG - AnOtHeR LiZ PhAiR WeBsItE http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Club/2471/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 23:41:31 -0400 From: Jase Subject: Re: valerie! Sandra wrote: >btw -- everyone, mp3 liz goodies will be up on my site verrrrrrrrrry soon. >hear that jase? ; ) Thanks again for offering to host the files, Sandra. :) So far, I've sent 6 of the cleaned-up Girly Sound songs to Sandra to upload, so everyone should have a chance to check them out soon. There will be more forthcoming, as soon as I have a chance to encode more files. Also, Michael Honaker, I appreciate your offer as well and will be e-mailing you as soon as I'm a little more organized. I hope everyone enjoys the Girly Sound tracks; I may tweak them a little further before any distribution of the discs takes place. They do sound rather treble-y to me, but at the time, I was more concerned with minimizing the tape hiss and noise without introducing that metallic-y hiss that was on many of the tracks on the Bliss & Fetish discs. And I would appreciate any feedback on how they sound, once people have had a chance to hear them, especially in relation to whatever other copies are in circulation currently. Also, from now on, I won't be making any more promises to the list regarding projects like this. I'm sorry that a lot of people are feeling let down. When I originally took these things on, I really did have good intentions and it is something I did want to do. But, ultimately, it's just not as feasible for me to get things together as I had anticipated. I keep thinking I'll have enough free time to finish things up properly and get the distribution of these discs organized, but something always gets in the way (or I let it get in the way). And right now I feel like I've got too much on my plate to begin with; I'm juggling a full-time job, working on a Journalism diploma part time, and a new relationship. Those things have to come first. So, I'm not going to promise anything or get anyone's expectations up from now on. If anything happens, take it as a pleasant surprise, but otherwise don't expect much and I won't let you down that way. On a different note, has anyone purchased the new Beck or Rhett Miller albums that came out on Tuesday? I bought both the other day, but haven't had a chance to listen to either yet. What am I missing out on? Jase ------------------------------ End of support-system-digest V5 #192 ************************************