From: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org (support-system-digest) To: support-system-digest@smoe.org Subject: support-system-digest V5 #191 Reply-To: support-system@smoe.org Sender: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk support-system-digest Thursday, September 26 2002 Volume 05 : Number 191 Today's Subjects: ----------------- lauren christy [robert joyner ] Going on the record [Dermich@aol.com] Wendy O [Dermich@aol.com] kristen/grant/john [] various bands [Dnce7Veils@aol.com] On Various Things ["Michael Worrell" ] random imperial teen news [Stephen Griffes ] liz and nina ["Mike Katsoulis" ] bjork/bangles and um...liz. [Dan MacDonald ] tori amos [Athiena00@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 23:00:30 -0700 (PDT) From: robert joyner Subject: lauren christy not sure if anyone mentioned this. I think Liz may have hooked up with Lauren Christy/The Matrix through her work with Gary Clark. He co-wrote that Lauren Christy song "Breed" that someone mentioned and produced on Miss Christy's album as well. With all of the various producers, I feel that the new album will suffer from some of the same weaknesses of WCSE. While I like the album, WCSE truly lacks a cohesiveness to it. the album was recorded over several years with three different producers, four if you count liz. The album kinda lacks a unifying sound or feel to it. Seems like the new album will much the same. Judging from her collaborator's the album would seem to veer wildly from alt-rocking Yorn, to singer-songwriterish Penn, to Imbruglia/Lavigne-ish throwaway pop music. Somehow the phrase jack of all trades master of none comes to mind. Robert 1,506 days since whitechocolatespaceegg was released New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 02:32:25 EDT From: Dermich@aol.com Subject: Going on the record 1. I know for a fact that Jase is not an asshole. Cut and dried; that's the way it is. 2. Every person on this list who fell in love with an off-kilter record called _Exile In Guyville_ should be plenty farking worried and/or distressed to hear that Liz Phair is working with a big-name Hollywood hit doctor. She's produced three albums of decreasing idiosyncrasy. I have been a _whitechocolatespaceegg_ defender since Day One, but I do realize its shortcomings. _Exile_ was on every critic of import's top-ten-of-the-'90s list. Its quality is pretty much indisputable. End of story. 3. Jase is still nothing even remotely like an asshole. Derek ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 02:35:45 EDT From: Dermich@aol.com Subject: Wendy O Dan's post reminded me of something... When I was, what, maybe 14 or so, Wendy O. Williams was starring in a production of _The Rocky Horror Show_ in St. Louis. She did the opening number out among the audience and sat on my lap for a few seconds. She smelled VERY bad. She looked even worse. I always loved the Plasmatics. Derek ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 09:04:15 -0400 From: Subject: kristen/grant/john > grant-lee phillips et al. in a coupla weeks; >seeing them friday. i hear that john doe has >been doing X songs with >kristin taking on exene's part. i'll just piss >myself. ...i saw this show in atlanta last week and it was wonderful. i'll be honest and say i didn't know a damn thing about john doe prior to this show...i somehow managed to miss out on X. sounds like they're mixing up the order on the tour, which is great. here, kristen started, grant joined her (and did the michael stipe part in "your ghost"), then grant played, then john joined grant, then kristen came back out and all three did an amazing rendition of neil young's "sugar mountain," a song i don't recall, and an even more amazing version of "when the levee breaks," with kristen on vocals. she's pregnant, but she's still rockin' out...now that's dedication! afterward, all three were in the lobby chatting with fans. kristen told me "levee" was ripped off from an old blues singer named minnie something or other, and the LZ boys didn't credit her. her cute husband and even cuter little boy were there, too. this bizarre, val-kilmer-in-the-doors looking guy was kind of stalking grant...got him to sign his guitar, started playing for him, therefore sending him away from the madding crowd sooner than expected. damn psycho fans, i tell ya... anyway, if they come to your area and you like even one of the artists even a little, it's well worth your $20. i'm going to chicago for a wedding this weekend...any good shows friday night? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 13:39:02 -0400 From: Dnce7Veils@aol.com Subject: various bands i am delurking to respectfully abstain from the discussion...maddening, isn't it? actually, fuck it. if her new album is more like wcse than the wcse demo songs that didn't make it (what the FUCK was she thinking, by the way???! the early demo songs are as good as anything she ever put out)--i'm divesting. and that seems fairly probable, given the new PC, tan, pete yorn, socal liz. sigh. on a lighter note, i looooooove me some rose polenzani; good to hear her mentioned. she never plays california though! :( and kristin hersh is pretty much the most amazing woman ever. understatement of the year for jed. haven't been thrilled with tori or ani's new stuff, but will continue to support both of them by going to as many shows as are in my area. and s-k! goodness farking gracious what a rock band. in the middle of a 3-night stint here and lovin' it. pick up the new album, for those of you that don't have it. on that rambly note, i bid you all adieu. toodles *jed ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 14:46:49 -0400 From: "Michael Worrell" Subject: On Various Things Augh, so much to comment on, and so few brain cells to work with here. Gah, Courtney Love. Y'know, I don't really care if she killed Kurt. I just wish that if she did, she would've had sense enough to reload and go with him. If ever there's been someone who was chronically beaten with the ugly stick, well. My pennies would be saved for the soundtrack for "The Final Countdown", a nice ancient film from the dawn of my life. OK, rather pretentious, but WTH. References to The Clash and the Ramones are lost on me, and Elastica was the last good bunch to rip Wire off. Donna Matthews, where's that album? Ken, these vintage ECP things are good. Keep 'em coming. On Avril Lavigne, April Levine[1], whaddeva: Inasmuch as ECP's got more "authenticity" in her left pinkie finger than Miss Lavigne has in her entire sk8r girl body, this whole thing is amusing. Now, that doesn't respect that Miss Lavigne is occasionally eye-catching---but that's got nothing to do with the music. "Let Go" is a nice debut and all that---still haven't listened all the way through it---but uh...EIG blows it out of the water. There's really no competition, sort of like putting J.Ho up against say Cate Blanchett in a competition of "Whoah, she's a babe." If ECP feels the need to work with these Matrix people, well, whatever. At this point in time, I want an album. Actually, what I want is a return to the voice and style of EIG; you just can't beat that nasal stoner chick voice and wickedly profane style. I want our former indie queen back on the cover of Rolling Stone along with a fawning review that just can't say enough good things and sparks a whole new round of imitators. It would be amusing to hear that saccharine-voiced Vanessa Carlton try to match the piano work of our Phair, or Michelle Branch try to compete with guitar, or Avril Lavigne trying to outdo Miz Phair in attitude. The response? Cue some 1980s archival footage of "Family Feud", with the big red X flashing up on screen and Richard Dawson (while not pushing "Running Man"...) exclaiming "She took the strike!" If ECP has ditched Michael Penn, so much the better, yah! Didn't want another Aimee Mann clone anyways. For some reason, I just can't get excited about "Lost in Space". Come to think of it, I couldn't get all that excited about "Bachelor No. 2", either. "Magnolia" must have been an aberration. "Country tinged", my foot. I'd rather hear "Liz Phair Covers Johnny Cash" than a lot of other potential avenues she could go. Maybe Natalie Maines is going to be canned and Liz'll be the new Dixie Chick. Huh huh huh. New Portishead would be good. I haven't exactly had my ears drilled out by Beth Gibbons' voice lately, so it would be fun to hear her again in new material. Yay. More British stuff to flood the collection with! Now, on whether Liz still has 'got it', eh. I'll look at the stuff most favorable to her, and say 'yup'. Need proof? Take that Apple ad.[2] It was just good, even if that nitwit George Clinton was rasping about the funk bomb. News for George: I'll drop the personal hygiene bomb on you. Pink may _think_ she's her own worst enemy, but I'd bet there's plenty of people who'd like to challenger her assertion. Gah, pick a style and stick with it, or even a "story". This is one instance where the fact that she slams Britney Spears isn't enough to lift her out of "Augh, reload the shotgun and try again" territory. Misunderstood, indeed. I am obviously misunderstanding how this P!nk (or whatever) thing is cool. So sue me. Jase old boy, sorry. You're an indie snob/Nick Hornby wannabe. OK, now that the superfluous and silly jesting insult is out of the way, to wit: Joni Mitchell examples fall flat on my inbox. Gimme someone else to work with on this, eh. Miss Lavigne's work, although grating at times (times like when "Complicated" gets played almost in sequence on varying radio stations) is better than a lot of what I hear from the "This is how you remind me that in the end nothing really matters and so forth" bunch. Ditto for the Dave Matthews clones. Vanessa Carlton's voice seems syruply distinctive, with some distinct twing (not a twang) of something that I can't put my finger on. OTOH, I'm not sure I could necessarily tell the difference between Avril Lavigne and Michelle Branch if they sang each other's big singles ("Complicated" and "If You Want To", respectively) in a live setting. Jase, you'd be a true fan if you stalked Liz. Only when you have ten restraining orders that have expired throughout the course of a decade can you call yourself a true fan, grasshopper. Even if this mythical album sucks, I'm buying it. There is personal precedent; I bought Sheryl Crow's last two offerings, and they both are just hideous wastes of petroleum, minerals, paper, and packaging. Nevertheless, I'm a fan and I'm in for the long haul with her, as I am for Liz Phair. Somehow, Liz Phair manages to make even the mundane good. Could anyone else have made half the songs on EIG worth listening to? Somehow, I'm not certain of that. To another point, if Liz Four is The Phair Sessions, well, that's better than nothing. TGS wasn't my favorite Sheryl Crow album, but darned if it didn't have some good songs. Just hope that ECP doesn't go the buzz-cut route; that's just too scary to contemplate. Otherwise, huh huh huh...a Liz Phair remix of "My Favorite Mistake" might just get that ever-so-elusive MTV banning which would be so good for album sales. Diane Warren as a songwriter for Liz Phair? Hrrm. I don't think Warren's vocabulary encompasses the "Liz Phair language pack", so it'd be a bad match. The Sherry message is disturbing. Not good. Not prudent that we've got trouble in Spaceegg Land. Devil's concubine, indeed. J.Ho, bleh. I'm gonna laugh when Mr. Gravity and Mr. Collagen Breakdown catch hold of her rear and drag it down. J.Ho sags way.lo, eh. FYI, Moses ran across the burning bush while out and about, not on Mount Sinai. Up there, the Almighty handed down the terms of service we now know as The Ten Commandments. I think the Jews then and now refer to them as The Law. But yes, while Moses was up there, his main man Aaron got prodded into making a golden calf for the wandering Hebrews/Israelites/whatever to fall down and worship. Moses got ticked, busted the tablets, and had to go back. I bet that was fun: "Uh...you know those tablet thingies, you know, last forever and be indestructible, right? Well...uh...you wouldn't have happened to make some carbon copies of that, would you?" Anyways. Long message, lots of points, little sense. Wow. Something like four months since I posted here last. Michael [1] Might be one of these Willa Ford kind of deals. [2] Speaking of which, anyone got that thing in full-form available for download? "You think you know what I'm doing, so obviously you don't."---Aeon Flux ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 16:47:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Stephen Griffes Subject: random imperial teen news from their email news list... >>Powerhouse drummer Lynn Perko has left Imperial Teen for the foreseeable future to get married, and her replacement for at least the group's forthcoming U.S. tour is former Hole drummer Patty Schemel.<< how random is that?! patty schemel?! imperial teen is like the golden girls...you can't replace any of them! even if you take out, say, Rose, and replace her with someone really cool like dolly parton. welp should be a fun time anyways. Steve. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 16:13:00 -0500 From: "Mike Katsoulis" Subject: liz and nina my friends and i like to think that liz phair and nina gordon are probably on some remote beach in california right now, sipping their pina colada's and laughing about how happy they are to not be in the studio recording... some dry humor mike ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 17:36:23 -0400 From: Dan MacDonald Subject: bjork/bangles and um...liz. > > The Bangles (w/ Brad Wood producing - this is gonna be amazing) >is that ever coming out?! it seems like we've been hearing bout that for >years yep. it is being released in Japan this month - and slated for a january release here. it's called Doll Revolution (after the Elvis Costello tune) and it really is coming out!! > > and the new Bjork box set!!! >i didn't hear about this. details my friend! I must say that I am bjork >obsessed right now!! her new box set is called Family Tree and it is a bunch of cool crap. i think every single B-Side is going in it - there is a CD full of sampled sounds/noises/bjorkness included that she invented which is open for other artists to sample and use - there are rare out takes ,live stuff - and early early stuff - rare stuff from when she was 10 years old doing that Gling-Glo stuff...and rare Sugarcubes etc etc... should be interesting. While we are on the subject of Sugarcubes - i have to agree w/ steve - for sure one of the most under-rated bands of the '80s. my favorite album is "Here Today Tomorrow Next Week!" - tied closely w/ Life's Too Good, of coruse!!! :) :) anyway, i gotta run, laters, dan oh yeah...no liz content. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 18:01:11 -0400 From: Athiena00@aol.com Subject: tori amos humm....tori amos has plenty of creative control over her material. i do believe. you just need to listen to an album to understand that. she even left atlantic to get more creative control. i suppose the having to put out albums all the time does strain on creative control. yes. ta ta athiena In a message dated Wed, 25 Sep 2002 12:15:03 AM Eastern Standard Time, owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org writes: > but they probably have much > more control over their careers than Tori Amos or Liz Phair. ------------------------------ End of support-system-digest V5 #191 ************************************