From: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org (support-system-digest) To: support-system-digest@smoe.org Subject: support-system-digest V5 #111 Reply-To: support-system@smoe.org Sender: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk support-system-digest Friday, May 31 2002 Volume 05 : Number 111 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Flesh Phair [Dan MacDonald ] Re: support-system-digest V5 #110 [Dermich@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 11:40:27 -0400 From: Dan MacDonald Subject: Flesh Phair Daaan Theman wrote: >She also >appeared fully nude (vagina and all) in one of the slideshow pictures from >her WCSE tour. Damn! I forgot about that slideshow! That was the tour that I was on my way to - when I broke my pelvis in a car accident. Never saw it. I do know that there is a "nude" picture of liz (full frontal) circulating on the net (has been since Whip-Smart days - but I don't believe it is Liz.) If I remember correctly - it is a girl who looks a lot like Liz - or perhaps even Liz's head super-imposed - onto the naked body of a girl sitting down with her legs spread. I am curious if the pic liz used in the slideshow was this fake pic (kind of tongue-in-cheek) or if it was genuine. I can't say either way because I never saw the damn thing. My pelvis still fucking hurts, for the record. Dan-the-man also wrote: >I think what Sheryl Crow did was just cheesy, but Liz >obviously has no problems with objectifying herself. Just listen to her >lyrics! "Flower", "Fuck or Die", "Shitloads of Money",etc Hmmm..I don't know if I ever saw Liz as someone who objectifies herself - -not in the traditional sense anyway. that could be just me though...I always caught a big whiff of sarcasm inside all her lyrics concerning sex...the lyrics for "BEG ME" kind of reinforce this - "Make like a woman and beg me..." etc... I think if she appears to be objectifying herself, it's because she's making a bigger point. As far as liz doing "soft porn" - oh my god. I mean - she's free to do whatever she wants - and I certainly wouldn't look down on her for posing in a skimpy outfit - shit - didn't she already do that with those Page 5 ads or whatever the company was called? where she was wearing the tiny panties and jersey shirt or something? Those pics were just as daring as anything Sheryl Crow has ever done - however, I don't think she should have to resort to this to sell more records. and i also think the fact that posing naked might boost her sales is pretty dumb. I'm sure it would - which is really sad. It sounds too much like the "She's hot - so she must be a good musician" attitude. Stupid. But hell- Liz is a pretty gal - I guess she's free to do whatever she wants - - I just think it would really hurt if she did something like that just so she could generate more sales. It wouldn't seem like the geeky, quirky, funny, hilarious, talented, stoned, nervous and brilliant Liz Phair that I fell in love with in 1993. But, I guess tits are still tits, for whatever that means. Dan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 12:11:27 -0400 From: Dermich@aol.com Subject: Re: support-system-digest V5 #110 >anyways, i sent a post a coupla days ago about >spookyghost--i was wondrin' how that person heard the new >stuff if it's not out yet. Whoops, my bad...I didn't respond. I suck. Gerry had some pre-release CDRs at a show a couple of months ago, and a friend got me one. I don't know his timetable to get the new record out, but it's worth it. D ------------------------------ End of support-system-digest V5 #111 ************************************