From: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org (support-system-digest) To: support-system-digest@smoe.org Subject: support-system-digest V5 #86 Reply-To: support-system@smoe.org Sender: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk support-system-digest Monday, April 29 2002 Volume 05 : Number 086 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: people who were in gradeschool [Aaron Walker ] Re: people who were in gradeschool [Jase ] Re: support-system-digest V5 #85 [TheCowSay@aol.com] miz liz ["Katie Brown" ] Re: support-system-digest V5 #85 [Stephen Griffes ] Re: support-system-digest V5 #85 [AWeiss4338@aol.com] Re: miz liz [Jase ] The Meaning of Johnny Feelgood [Dewaine McBride Subject: Re: people who were in gradeschool > Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 05:57:47 -0400 > From: Meredith Robbins > Subject: Re: people who were in gradeschool > > I joined the list literally when it first started, like, the same day... I > think I was maybe the fifth subscriber or something. What year was that, > Jason? Is there anybody else left from the very beginning? I must have The oldest "6'1"" digest I have is from 1997/06/12. The first "Support System" digest I have is from 1998/09/10. I'm infrequently around, but that's pretty obvious. - -- - -Aaron Walker http://www.visi.com/~lazlo/liz/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 04:41:57 -0400 From: Jase Subject: Re: people who were in gradeschool Meredith wrote: >I joined the list literally when it first started, like, the same day... I >think I was maybe the fifth subscriber or something. What year was that, >Jason? Is there anybody else left from the very beginning? I must have >been in... the ninth grade? The list started in December 1996, so it's just over five years old now. There are a few people from the early days who are still subscribed, but many of them haven't posted for a while, so it's hard to say how actively they read the posts or digests now. >1. Whom I am forced to assume is dead. Wherever he's gone, he's taken my >subway map with him. When's the last you heard from Steve, anyway? I noticed he unsubbed from the list about four months ago and I had e-mailed him afterwards, but never received any response. I remember asking Nora about him a while ago too and she didn't know what's going on with him either. I hope he's doing well. Jase NP: Wilco, _Yankee Hotel Foxtrot_ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 15:06:07 EDT From: TheCowSay@aol.com Subject: Re: support-system-digest V5 #85 I, personally, don't like Sheryl Crow because of the way she flaunts her celebrity friends. I don't like her because she's had a few really good songs, but the majority are reworkings of the same material. I don't like her because she acts like winning a Grammy actually means something. I don't like Sheryl Crow because of what she was wearing on Thursday's Leno. ...? She just sort of annoys me. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 19:55:00 +0000 From: "Katie Brown" Subject: miz liz oh man... i just watched liz and sheryl on leno for the second time and it put a HUGE smile on my face! :) :) :) i have it on the same tape as phish on the simpsons so i feel very blessed by television lately considering i never watch it. i, too, have never been a fan of sheryl but i don't mind her either. i remember in 1998 at some point when we had finally gotten wcse and the only thing i knew about sheryl was "all i wanna do is have some fun" (she does sing that right?) i felt that on the list we were sort of collectively ranking sheryl with brittany or other females on the charts that would never reach the level of our Liz. last week my mind was really changed. the first few seconds of leno the other night i was stunned and actually -- very uncomfortable. i'm just not used to watching her as back-up for somebody else. it's like sheryl was doing Liz, and Liz was doing Janet or something! (and where is ms raines these days?) i kept hitting my boyfriend and saying its not fair, the song has started and she hasn't parted those lips yet! wtf? but i saw her dancing and my god she looked sooo happy and, i agree, very comfortable. (i still have the tape of Liz doing "whipsmart" on letterman in '95, she looks like she'd rather be cleaning a bathroom floor with a toothbrush than singing in front of a camera) then the cameras started focusing on her more... i didn't like the way her back-up vocals were sometimes blended with the guys but at least the cameras, and then Jay, were acknowledging her as her own compelling entity. finally, i felt much better when she and sheryl kissed and crossed the stage together to talk to Jay. he bascially said "hey" to sheryl then proclaimed, "hi LIZ!! How ARE you?!" it was really kinda cute, he enjoys having her as a guest and he hadn't seen her in a while. i don't know if any of you agree.... but i felt that there was an unspoken sort of thing... like she is coming back, slowly. the two of them were very cool together and -- like two girlfriends having fun. and as to "soak up the sun"... eh. i thought the lyrics were great but the song itself wasn't the absolute best. and i agree - it really did remind me of something that may have made its way to wcse. i felt so happy for Liz. Honestly. and although i have enjoyed reading the lists over the last few weeks, (Lani and i even had a phone conversation about it the other night) i don't really have my own opinion about her current status. i certainly don't think she is lazy, or needs more discipline... adn i want to respect the ways in which her career and personal life have changed. from my first liz show in 95 with her alice-in-worderland dress and adias shoes... until the killer tours of 98 and 99 where i was so fortunate to meet so many of you. she makes me wait, then she comes through tenfold. it wouldn't have happened to me without support system... so i am glad we are still alive out here. :) there is something else - i thought we had agreed almost a year ago that we were going to do another phairities to tide ourselves over. i know somebody besides jase has a copy and i am curious as to why this has been put on hold and whether there's something i could do to get the ball rolling again. Much like her next album, i could wait another year for a newer ss lizt-made compilation, but i'd rather not. Admittedly I've got no business saying so, i have at least 20 discs lined up that i haven't listened to yet! miss ya systers :) *~*~*~*~*~bighugs*~*~*~*~*~*~ Katie Brown - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: Click Here ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 17:29:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Stephen Griffes Subject: Re: support-system-digest V5 #85 > yikes...kristen hersh called tori and PJ "faggy and stupid" - hmm...i love > Kristen Hersh - but that's kind of a no-no in my book anyway. kristin, with an i :) i dont know what "faggy and stupid" refers to, maybe you need to read the whole article and she mentioned it before and now she's talking about it again? It kinda seems like that might be the case because she just throws "faggy and stupid" out there as if everyone knows what that is and why Tori and PJ fit the category. maybe it was transcribed incorrectly and the faggy and stupid should be in quotations because she's quoting what someone else has labelled them? i would need to read the whole article before making a judgment because that excerpt doesn't really make sense to me...anyways. > "Oh...maybe she's just making a point..she means something different..she > doesn't really mean faggy and stupid." that's a really good point and i'm guilty too...if there was a little fred durst excerpt saying that, i would be hella mad and it would just add to my anger pot, even though i would know that i should read the whole interview before judging...however, kristin has a better trackrecord than him than my book (writing explicitly pro-gay songs in the mid 80s, not only acknowledging but being extremely accepting of her largely queer fanbase, etc.) anyways. steve. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 18:49:24 EDT From: AWeiss4338@aol.com Subject: Re: support-system-digest V5 #85 In a message dated 4/28/02 5:29:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, sgriffes@umich.edu writes: > i dont know what "faggy and stupid" refers to, maybe you need to read the > whole article and she mentioned it before and now she's talking about it > again? It kinda seems like that might be the case because she just throws > "faggy and stupid" out there as if everyone knows what that is and why > Tori and PJ fit the category. maybe it was transcribed incorrectly and > the faggy and stupid should be in quotations because she's quoting what > someone else has labelled them? i would need to read the whole article > before making a judgment because that excerpt doesn't really make sense > to me...anyways. > Where was this interview published. Is it on line only and what is the adrress. I really would like to think she didn't mean this, and want to read the whole interview. Thanks! Andrea ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 20:42:32 -0400 From: Jase Subject: Re: miz liz Katie wrote: >there is something else - i thought we had agreed almost a year ago >that we were going to do another phairities to tide ourselves over. i >know somebody besides jase has a copy and i am curious as to why this has >been put on hold and whether there's something i could do to get the ball >rolling again. Much like her next album, i could wait another year for a >newer ss lizt-made compilation, but i'd rather not. Admittedly I've got >no business saying so, i have at least 20 discs lined up that i haven't >listened to yet! miss ya systers :) I completely dropped the ball with the Phairities thing and I will admit it. It kind of fell by the wayside during an extremely busy couple of months in my life and I kept meaning to get back to it, but somehow that didn't happen. I still would like to see the compilation distributed on the list and now that things have slowed down quite a bit for me, I do have some free time. The only thing is that I'd somehow need to get an idea of who all would like copies again. I was having problems with my e-mail client (Eudora) a while ago and lost just about everything I had saved in my in-box. I know Sandra has a set of the discs already, and I sent one to Ken Lee as well. I may try to "tweak" them a little bit as well before a mass distribution takes place. I really wish I had better-sounding versions of some of the songs to use ("Love/Hate Transmission" and "Stranger" in particular). I also wonder if I should somehow make room for "Soak up the Sun" and "Down." I'll try to post a new sign-up form to the list over the next day or so to get a better idea of who is still willing to help make copies and how many people are interested in getting a set of the discs. Jase ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 19:30:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Dewaine McBride Subject: The Meaning of Johnny Feelgood Does anyone on the list know [or think s/he knows] the meaning behind the song Johnny Feelgood? It is either seriously self-abusive or there must be something else to it. - Dewaine Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness ------------------------------ End of support-system-digest V5 #86 ***********************************