From: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org (support-system-digest) To: support-system-digest@smoe.org Subject: support-system-digest V5 #80 Reply-To: support-system@smoe.org Sender: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk support-system-digest Tuesday, April 23 2002 Volume 05 : Number 080 Today's Subjects: ----------------- The wait.... [Easter ] Re: support-system-digest V5 #79 [Kaufmann@IPFW.EDU (Kaufmann_Mike)] Re: support-system-digest V5 #79 [Kaufmann@IPFW.EDU (Kaufmann_Mike)] Liz promo. [ReallyHip@aol.com] Re: Liz promo. [Jase ] delurking for the moment.... ["Stacey Wirt" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 05:24:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Easter Subject: The wait.... overpavement wrote: "there are people on this list who were in grade school in 1995, and are in college today." Ow! Scary thought cuz I fit into this category! Give it one more year and then I would have graduated from college! As for my opinions about this spiel, I have mixed feelings about it. Everyone's comments were interesting to read, and it is hard to put up with tentative release dates. I just leave it with the thought that this is all of the past and you can't wish for what has happened, hoping it would last forever. I know I could write more, but it would sound too philosophical and it's not what I need right now, especially when I should be studying for finals. Wiedersehen. Spaceeggy Katie ();) ===== ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ "My love belongs to who can see it." George Harrison ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 08:18:26 -0500 From: Kaufmann@IPFW.EDU (Kaufmann_Mike) Subject: Re: support-system-digest V5 #79 Does anyone else find it ironic that Liz backgrounds for a song called Soak Up the Sun? It seems to describe perfectly her attitude toward life in general and her music career in particular. I know this is a Sheryl Crow song, and a rewrite of sorts of her All I Want to Do song, but when Sheryl sings it you know she's really just singing about playing hooky for a day or maybe two. When Liz sings it, she might be mean a year or two--or three or four. Others have pointed to the accidental way Liz got into music in the first place as a partial explanation, and I think that does explain much. Again the contrast with Crow, who worked her way up to where she is, says everything about their different approaches to their music careers. Whatever you might think about Sheryl Crow's music, you can't say she's not working at it. With Liz, despite her personal turmoil of late, the evidence suggests otherwise. The whole excuse of taking time off for family (which I don't think she's actually ever mentioned as an explanation herself) doesn't account for four years and counting. Lots of people have kids and go through divorces, but still have to work. The fact is Liz is a rich kid (or at least former rich kid), with a rich kid's attitude toward work. I'm not saying she hasn't ever worked hard on her music; just that her approach and attitude is more laidback and haphazard as a result of never having felt desperate to get her tracks on vinyl the way most musicians who have actual careers have. Having the apparently less satisfying personal life that S. Crow has might be what Liz wanted to avoid (and who wouldn't), but I'm sure other musicians have managed to balance their personal and professional lives. Having said all that, I'm not miffed by her casual approach despite my wish to hear more from her than a single finished CD in seven years, but I'm probably more casual in my music listening as well. I'm sure most would agree, it doesn't matter what we think: Liz will just keep doing (or not doing) whatever she feels like--whether it's soaking up sun or making music. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 08:18:46 -0500 From: Kaufmann@IPFW.EDU (Kaufmann_Mike) Subject: Re: support-system-digest V5 #79 Does anyone else find it ironic that Liz backgrounds for a song called Soak Up the Sun? It seems to describe perfectly her attitude toward life in general and her music career in particular. I know this is a Sheryl Crow song, and a rewrite of sorts of her All I Want to Do song, but when Sheryl sings it you know she's really just singing about playing hooky for a day or maybe two. When Liz sings it, she might be mean a year or two--or three or four. Others have pointed to the accidental way Liz got into music in the first place as a partial explanation, and I think that does explain much. Again the contrast with Crow, who worked her way up to where she is, says everything about their different approaches to their music careers. Whatever you might think about Sheryl Crow's music, you can't say she's not working at it. With Liz, despite her personal turmoil of late, the evidence suggests otherwise. The whole excuse of taking time off for family (which I don't think she's actually ever mentioned as an explanation herself) doesn't account for four years and counting. Lots of people have kids and go through divorces, but still have to work. The fact is Liz is a rich kid (or at least former rich kid), with a rich kid's attitude toward work. I'm not saying she hasn't ever worked hard on her music; just that her approach and attitude is more laidback and haphazard as a result of never having felt desperate to get her tracks on vinyl the way most musicians who have actual careers have. Having the apparently less satisfying personal life that S. Crow has might be what Liz wanted to avoid (and who wouldn't), but I'm sure other musicians have managed to balance their personal and professional lives. Having said all that, I'm not miffed by her casual approach despite my wish to hear more from her than a single finished CD in seven years, but I'm probably more casual in my music listening as well. I'm sure most would agree, it doesn't matter what we think: Liz will just keep doing (or not doing) whatever she feels like--whether it's soaking up sun or making music. Mike ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 14:53:23 EDT From: ReallyHip@aol.com Subject: Liz promo. I have to say... all of these sideline projects are very smart of Liz. If a person sees her doing backup for Sheryl Crow, sees her being promoted for this hit indie flick and recognizes her from Gap ads, they will think they are missing out on something... i.e. Who is this chick? Then, after all this exposure, when they see an album release from this woman who has been all over the place, they are more likely to purchase it. I think the album delay is not because of Liz's "laziness", rather the label is waiting until all this exposure has hit for her... making her more of a bankable sell these days. People appearing in films and television do sell more albums. I like to think of it as an extended promotional period. I heard this great fan remix of shatter on audiogalaxy awhile ago... If anyone has it I'd be greatly obliged. - -Michael "So I'm in Virginia, and I had crabs... I keep saying that! I had crab sickness, I had eaten bad crabs in Maryland." - Tori Amos ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 21:52:05 -0400 From: Jase Subject: Re: Liz promo. Michael wrote: >I have to say... all of these sideline projects are very smart of Liz. If a >person sees her doing backup for Sheryl Crow, sees her being promoted for >this hit indie flick and recognizes her from Gap ads, they will think they >are missing out on something... i.e. Who is this chick? Then, after all >this exposure, when they see an album release from this woman who has been >all over the place, they are more likely to purchase it. Perhaps, but those little sidelines don't always end up paying off, especially if the album doesn't come out right away to take advantage of her visibility. But hell, opening for Alanis Morisette and playing on the Lilith Fair tour for two summers didn't exactly pay off, despite the exposure they both provided: _whitechocolatespaceegg_ has still yet to go gold, and it's sold the least number of copies of any of her records. Besides, quite honestly, I know for myself, I'm not going to check out an artist just because they appear in some television commercial, or they've modelled, or they've been in an acclaimed film. None of that stuff has anything to do with the music itself. >I think the album delay is not because of Liz's "laziness", rather the >label is waiting until >all this exposure has hit for her... making her more of a bankable sell these >days. Well, it's not like the label has the masters for the completed album in their hands and are simply trying to determine when to release it. The album is, quite simply, not yet finished. And they hardly knew when Liz started working on the album that all of these other opportunities would even come her way. >People appearing in films and television do sell more albums. I like >to think of it as an extended promotional period. Which is why, after Courtney Love's sudden transformation into Golden Globe-nominated actress, Hole's _Celebrity Skin_ still sold fewer copies than _Live Through This_ had? I can't think of any examples where it's really paid off in a big way. Maybe it's helped a few artists shift a few more copies, but nothing substantial. I can't think of any case where it's turned an artist into a gold or platinum seller. At the same time, all these delays surrounding the album are alienating Liz's existing fanbase. I already know of a few people who've bought Liz's previous albums who say they're unlikely to buy the new one when it comes out. So, even if these sidelines do bring in a few more listeners, who's to say Liz won't have already lost a great number than what she gains? Jase NP: The Hives, "Die, All Right!" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 00:06:43 -0400 From: "Stacey Wirt" Subject: delurking for the moment.... >there are people on this list who were in >grade school in 1995, and are in college today. word. I am one of these people. I joined at the end of 8th grade. I'm a junior in college now. The only album that came out during this time was WCSE. I have to agree with Jase and the others that it seems like Liz is less into her music than we are. But by now I've learned my lesson and don't really expect anything from her for a while... Also, if my memory serves me correctly, didn't Liz just sort of fall into the whole music thing? It all started with some answering machine tapes when she was in her 20's, no? I don't really find it that surprising that she is less dedicated than some one who spent their entire life praying for a record deal. Of course, I'm not saying that she doesn't deserve it any less, but it just seems like she might not want it as badly. my .02$ - -Stacey ------------------------------ End of support-system-digest V5 #80 ***********************************