From: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org (support-system-digest) To: support-system-digest@smoe.org Subject: support-system-digest V5 #79 Reply-To: support-system@smoe.org Sender: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk support-system-digest Monday, April 22 2002 Volume 05 : Number 079 Today's Subjects: ----------------- That Sheryl Crow thing.... [s.fried@ugrad.unimelb.edu.au] Re: support-system-digest V5 #78 ["George Katsoulis" ] leno? [Stephen Griffes ] new album due later this year! what year? EVERY year! what? ["overpavemen] Re: new album due later this year! what year? EVERY year! what? [Jase Subject: Re: support-system-digest V5 #78 sheryl is performing the 25 AND the 26th too... its some landmark thing i guess to perform two nights in a row... not many people get to do it... so yeah, maybe liz will be on both nights mike Music guests: Sheryl Crow, Liz Phair. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 19:07:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Stephen Griffes Subject: leno? wait, liz is singing backup for sheryl crow on leno? and i thought opening for alanis was bizarre! Steve. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 22:43:46 -0400 From: "overpavement" Subject: new album due later this year! what year? EVERY year! what? someone wrote: > I just addressed this to you because you gave me a good opening, this is > really for everyone who's spent the last four years griping about Liz. i didn't re-print the whole thing, but basically the note referenced above suggests, as have several others, that its author has some sort of insight into why liz is not delivering any music (baby, divorce, perfectionism, whatever). in this case he says it's because 'some people just don't have 45 minutes of quality songwriting in them.' let's ignore the fact that this is her profession, and, really, she *should* work at it. let's say she has writer's block. well, we know she has over 40 songs she's already put down on tape. and we know that many of the people who've heard them have said very good things about them. and we know that we've been told for two years already that the new record was right around the corner. we can deduce from this, i think, that she does not have writer's block, and that the album has been getting worked on for a long time. she's not some helpless victim of circumstance in all this. the record should be done by now, and i would say that even if i didn't like her earlier music. generally speaking (and there are certainly some exceptions to this rule), it takes a lot longer to make a crappy record than it does to make a really good one. liz doesn't want to release a new record? she can't get the sound she wants from a series of producers? she's not "into" it anymore? fine. that's totally fine. but stop hinting at the new record and just say, flat-out, "i'm so over this. i'd rather act." since 1995, we've gotten exactly one new album. it's ridiculous. there are people on this list who were in grade school in 1995, and are in college today. as for your unwarranted comment that people have been complaining for four years, please cite a single, solitary person who's been griping about liz for four years. you cannot do it. what's happening is that a lot of loyal, money-spending, disc-buying, tour-following, word-of-mouth-spreading fans, are finding that their patience is wearing a little thin. anyone on this list has a legitimate right to complain. there's a very real sense, not that she is just 'working through a few things', but that she is simply blowing us off without having the common courtesy to do it directly. people are getting sick and tired of waiting, and they're voicing their impatience on this list. that's not a bad thing. you can disagree all you want -- this list, i think, welcomes different opinions. but try to steer a little more clear of the sanctimony and the suggestion that you have *any* idea (good, bad, or simple indifference) why she's taking so long. from an interview on sonicnet from october, 2001: "Phair, whose stage fright kept her from touring for several years early in her career, said she is scheduled to hit the road next summer. "So the record should be coming out by then," she said. Her spokesperson at Capitol said there is no release date yet for the album." 'this little blurb from the Capitol Records Liz Phair website: "Liz is currently working on her next album, due in stores sometime in early 2002." ' from sonicnet.com exactly one year ago: "The singer has been writing and demoing material sporadically over the past two years and has about 35 songs contending for the follow-up to 1998's Whitechocolatespaceegg. The songs range from radio-friendly pop to experimental rock with nontraditional arrangements. Phair hopes to release the album later this year [that being 2001]." "Liz's new album is scheduled to see release by mid-2001. An exact release date has not been set by Capitol Records as yet. The album features musicians who toured with Liz in the past few years, including guitarist Buddy Judge (Aimee Mann) and drummer Mario Calire (Wallflowers)." from the chicago tribune: "Brace yourself, Liz Phair fans. Inc. hears the homegrown rocker -- and mother of 3-year-old Nicholas -- has written close to 30 new songs and is in the process of choosing the best 12 to 16 for her fourth album, which likely will be released at the end of the year. That's also when Phair will hit the road again, touring to support the disc." [um, this one is from May, 2000] so you see, it's not just our imagination, and we're not sharks eating celebrities. we're just getting a little tired of being given release timeframes only to find out they're totally missed. o ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 00:26:03 -0400 From: Jase Subject: Re: new album due later this year! what year? EVERY year! what? overpavement wrote: >from the chicago tribune: >"Brace yourself, Liz Phair fans. Inc. hears the homegrown rocker -- and >mother of 3-year-old Nicholas -- has written close to 30 new songs and is in >the process of choosing the best 12 to 16 for her fourth album, which likely >will be released at the end of the year. That's also when Phair will hit the >road again, touring to support the disc." [um, this one is from May, 2000] Don't forget the article from the January 2000 issue of Alternative Press, which said that the album would be out in Spring 2000. Funny how the time flies... I just wish that instead of all these proposed release dates that never actually happen, both Liz and her label would not even give a tentative date that is once again unlikely to be met. It's frustrating when a new date is given every few months, we all get our hopes up, and then the album still doesn't see the light of day. They should just wait until the album is in the can, then set a date and announce it and we can all be pleasantly surprised. If Liz really wants time off from music to pursue other interests or just take a break, she should at least be up front about it the way Sleater-Kinney were. We knew not to expect anything from them for a while because they were taking some time off. They didn't create any false expectations for their fans. Now they've got a new album coming out later this year, and as far as I can tell, almost all of their fans are glad to see them back. I don't necessarily buy into the idea that Liz's divorce and subsequent move to California are completely responsible for the album's delay. Those may possibly be factors at this point, but didn't the divorce take place just last year? The album was originally scheduled to be out a year before that. Also, Liz had been pretty quiet up until word of the divorce started appearing in print. Most of the things she's been visible for since she finished touring for the last record have occured after the divorce. The Gap commercial was after the fact, as well as her role in Cherish, and her appearance on Sheryl Crow's new record. It still seems to me like she's more interested in all of these sidelines than finishing her own record. I hope she proves me wrong, but I get the feeling sometimes that us fans are more interested in her music career than she is. I know I'll probably love the new album whenever it emerges and it will have been worth the wait, but it's hard to keep that in mind as each new tentative release day comes and goes with no new record. Ah well, at least the new Aimee Mann album is being mixed right now. I've got something I can look forward to... Jase NP: Brendan Benson, "Crosseyed" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 21:26:53 -0700 (PDT) From: robert joyner Subject: Re: new album due later this year! what year? EVERY year! what? - --- overpavement wrote: > someone wrote: > > I just addressed this to you because you gave me a > good opening, this is > > really for everyone who's spent the last four > years griping about Liz. > >there are people on > this list who were in > grade school in 1995, and are in college today. For some reason this line made me crack up laughing. Funny but true I guess. bravo, bravo! I think that overpavement gives a perfect summation of the feelings of a lot of listers. If liz just can't be bothered to put music to cd on some rationally-timed basis then why should her fans be bothered to really care all that much anymore. robert ===== - ------------------------------------------------------------ Nashville - A Liz Phair Web Site http://www.geocities.com/robnashville - ------------------------------------------------------------ Yahoo! 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